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9 minutes ago, CobraCommander said:

Im just proving a point that a player can be broken, and we’re the team to do it. Purdy wouldn’t stand a chance here. Sam Howell could have a lot better season on a stacked 49ers team. 

Why wouldn’t he stand a chance? He’s a good QB. I’m sure you would probably say the same thing about CJ Shroud and Houston before the season started. I’m not saying some QBs don’t have to be delicately developed but really good QBs are usually just really good. I think Shroud and Purdy are really good. 

3 hours ago, CobraCommander said:

Here’s a scenario to think about. Let’s say last year we took Brock Purdy in the fifth and the 49ers selected Sam Howell as Mr irrelevant. What would the outcome be? Would Sam be getting games balls from Kyle? Would Brock be JAG with a second offensive coordinator going on three?  
 

I can say that I believe Sam would be winning games and Brock would be “broken”. 

I really don’t like this narrative bc we’ve seen a young QB in Trey Lance fail in SF with the same weapons and coaching. Not even a vet like Garrapalo had them moving the ball like Purdy. I really think people underrate Purdy’s performance just like they used to do Brady during his first few years. It’s not like he’s throwing short passes and just trying to not make mistakes. He’s among the leaders in air yards as well. He’s making really tough throws look routine. So while I think Sam would definitely look better in SF, I don’t think he’d be as good as Purdy and at this point, I think it’s clear Purdy is a vastly superior player. I don’t think he’d have the ‘23 Commanders at 10-11 wins or anything like that but I think we’d be better for sure. I do understand that not everyone feels the same about Purdy though. 

18 hours ago, kingdaddy said:

think about this, Sirianni just got dominated by his OC from last season who was the head coach of a 3 win team coming in. In Philly, with the division and #2 seed at stake. 

I'm hearing rumblings on 94 WIP. That's all I can tell you. There was also the report that came out last week from a GM in the league that the Eagles culture is a mess right now. I only told VOR to not sleep on the Eagles firing Sirianni because there are rumblings here on the sports talk radio stations. It's not something I'm making up and certainly not a rumor Im trying to start. 

….you might have been onto something lol. 

4 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

I know, I'm just telling you what I'm hearing. Roseman is nuts....and not patient. This Eagles collapse is gonna force change. We'll see.

They’ve had 4 coaches in his 23 years there, man lol. Are you mistaking Howie for someone else? I have Philly ties from my college days and I have not heard anything remotely close to that. Unless some type of accusation is about to drop, there’s literally no way. I’d love it personally but I just don’t see it lol 

4 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

With Howie Roseman anything is possible. He's not normal and is pretty demanding. He dumped Doug Pedersen and would dump Sirianni in a heartbeat. I'm only telling you what some of the speculation is here in Philly. Sirianni is a Roseman puppet, it's one of the reasons he got hired. Roseman runs the show in Philly and it's a sinking ship.

….they were a few plays from winning the SB not even 10 months ago. He’s like 34-16 as a HC with 3 playoff appearances lol. He’s going nowhere. Pederson was coming off like a 4 win season. 
 

15 minutes ago, kingdaddy said:

Don't sleep on the Eagles firing Sirianni.....there are rumblings here that Roseman and Lurie could pull the plug on him. Sounds crazy but Roseman has an ego as big as Andy Reid's fat belly. The Eagles are falling apart everywhere on Sirianni's watch.

LOL come on 

13 hours ago, KDawg said:

Maye is my favorite prospect of the three big ones… he’s by far the safest.

 

But I don’t think you go safe in the top 3.

 

So if I had my choice at who fell to us I’d take Daniels.

 

His bust potential is through the roof. But if he hits… he’s the X factor. 
 

I keep watching Williams games and even highlights to try to like him more. I just… don’t.

It’s a lot of sandlot Mahomes stuff on his tape and it seems like it’ll either be a home run or a disaster drafting him. Williams makes me nervous. 

6 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Wilson actually played well this season overall IMO. Yards per attempt are low but at face value he’s been above league average at a minimum.

 

Of course that contract is paying him to be far more than league average.

Yeah that’s why I was surprised about the news. But yeah, average won’t cut it now. 

What an unmitigated disaster in Denver. Glad we missed out 

2 minutes ago, AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy said:

If Drake Maye fell in our laps I would run to the podium. All prospects have good/bad things but you’d be hard pressed to find a better kid with a better work ethic from a better family. 

Any personal insights? 

I really like the Palmer comp. More mobile though. 
 

I loved Carson Palmer as a kid. He was such a prototypical stud. Loved those Bengals teams too. Shame he got hurt but glad he got a second chance in Arizona.

1 minute ago, skinsmania123 said:

Okay. I have looked at a lot of his available tape and in his first two years he was not really that "off schedule" seemed like a well-run, organized, disciplined team. I would agree, based upon the factors I pointed out, his 3rd year, was less than ideal. Maye looks good, but no way is his arm comparable to Howell's. I also don't know how different they are except that Maye might be gutsier and more risk-reward oriented.

 

I would prefer that we draft Jayden Daniel's if he is available.  Now he can throw, run, and looks dynamic to me. And I love his story. Very resilient guy. 

All good. 
 

above all else, I’m intrigued with Daniel’s deep ball accuracy. It’s really pretty. And it’s not just basic throws to wide open players, a lot of them were right in the bucket.

5 minutes ago, MartinC said:

Bears are moving on from Fields. I can’t see any possible way they trade out of the #1 overall. 

I’m more concerned with a team trading up to 2. I think AZ would prefer to get Harrison to pair with their huge QB investment but who knows. 

10 minutes ago, skinsmania123 said:

That is frankly disingenuous. During his college days, between 2019-2021, Howell threw for 10,800 yards and had 92 TD's - both school records.  Highly doubtful he was running around in a "constant state of chaos" to achieve those stats...lol.

 

He earned ACC rookie of the year honors in 2019.  He lost 4 key players on offense after his first two years. His 2 key receivers and both RBs moved on, two into the NFL. That forced him to run a lot more and improvise more during his 3rd year, he rushed for 789 yards.

 

Maye does not have Sam's arm, but he has his mental toughness and ability to run.  Sure, the Commanders could draft him, but they sure as hell better clean the O line up and bring in a TE and a BIG body receiver.

 

 I would also say, part of the reason the offense looked different both times Jacoby replaced Howell, is because they were calling different plays for Brissett.  I think EB hurt Sam Howell with his play calling. During the Jets game, for example, there were shorter, to medium range throws, followed by a number of runs, which, because of the variety opened things up make some deeper throws downfield.   And I am not excusing the boneheaded plays of Howell's, but he sure as hell was not operating with a OC who played to his strengths.    

 

 

My goodness. I just meant he made a lot of off schedule plays. Just like he does here. That’s his style. That’s all I meant. He was a very productive player at UNC. IMO, he’s very different than Maye style wise. 

8 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

They both eat sacks.

it’ll definitely be something to mindful of for all the prospects 

2 minutes ago, alaroche04 said:

Maye was much better under pressure than Howell was at UNC.

Howell was worse but Maye’s numbers aren’t great either 

I haven’t watched a ton of Maye but he plays nothing like Howell. Just play style wise, he reminds me of Andrew Luck. Big guy with functional athleticism and stands tall in the pocket. 
 

Only similarities to Howell are school and skin color. Sam was running around in a constant state of chaos in all of his highlights at UNC. 

The entire QB plan was beyond idiotic. I didn’t want to dislike Ron Rivera but he’s easily going to end up in the Zorn/Spurrier zone for me. The only reason why he’s not a league wide joke is because he lucked into Cam Newton and once worked for Andy Reid. He’s a nice man. He’s an awful, incompetent coach. Maybe it was the awful disease he suffered through but either way, he’s really really bad and was a disastrous hire. He had no hand in getting Dan out so the culture excuse doesn’t hold as much weight for me. 

2 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

You have been heavily invested in Sam sucking since before any bullets flew, hence your victory laps the last few weeks.

 

I’ve never been heavy on him good or bad, and stand by the fact that this offense and coaching is awful.  That’s not my opinion based off stats or watching on Sundays, there’s plenty of analysis out there that supports my opinion.  

Yeah and a big chunk of the analysis involves the dude wearing 14. We can be honest now. The honeymoon is over. He is responsible. As is EB and Ron and Dan. Glad we can come to some sort of agreement. 
 

Now let’s start the argument about which QB should be drafted in April. We know you’ll go instantly to the projected 5th rounders lol jk 

5 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Ya’ll in here defending Trevor like Z defending the honor of Taylor Heinicke.  Cherry picked stats, nah those areal stats.  19 total turnovers to 23 total TDs.  

You’ve spent the last month swearing we can’t judge a fifth round pick bc the team and coaching is bad. 
 

Which scenario sounds crazier ? 

I mean guys, Justin Fields is the example you want to use. He hasn’t done ****. Use him lol 

34 minutes ago, skinsfan66 said:

Have you watched their games this year, the last 5 he has over throne wide open teammates over and over ? And now they are 8/8 and not going back to the playoffs most likely? It's not like he does not have players around him. Also funny how a couple of month's can change someone's outlook. 

They’re 8-7 and control their own destiny. And honestly I’m embarrassed for myself that I’m sitting here caping for a Jaguars QB but he’s playing through a high ankle sprain. 

6 minutes ago, skinsfan66 said:

Lawrence will be a decent QB but that is it, played no better than his rookie year and holding back the team, have you watched him or just look at the the numbers this year? He has blown the season for them. Love no.10 on that list? Howell may well be a backup the rest of his career maybe a average starter too, I think LA. would be a good fit with a vet QB.  But all these QB's that keep getting posted and acting like they have done anything in the pro's like Lawerence? He is not a hit yet in his 3rd. season and is not worthy of it.  Tua,Herbert were the better pick's by a mile so far of the ones that were posted.  It is just a opinion about Trever and the draft is not always the answer. Maybe you do not keep wasting high draft picks on QB's that do not make it too. The team has waisted enough top picks on QB's.  

Lawrence is no better than he was his rookie year? Lol ok man. 
 

Did you even know they won a playoff game last year ? Or that they were 8-3 a month ago? 

16 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

All the accolades you listed are team accolades and they play in a 🗑️ division.  You are jaded by the fact that he’s Trevor Lawrence.

I usually like your posts but the Sam thing really has your analysis off kilter lol. 
 

There’s few stats that are kind to Sam at this point. He hasn’t played a good game in over a month. He has no pedigree. He’s tiny. He’s limited athletically relative to the NFL. He’s 5-11 as a starter. His offenses have scored 21+ points just 7 times. He’s been a sack magnet at every competitive level of his football career. He’s honestly lucky to even have started as many games as he has. He was benched TWICE by the only person in football crazy enough to anoint him as QB1 without a competition. And somehow he has been treated unfairly and comparing him to Gardner Minshew (who’s been better than Sam at everything since he was a rookie and was drafted just one round later mind you) is crazy. 
 

To be really honest, there’s no real reason to expect Sam to get much better. What is he doing is exactly what the NFL thought he would do. He’s a bad QB. Let’s not dance around it. Every QB shows flashes. Bad ones usually just don’t get that many games to play and when they do, they eventually get exposed. That is what is happening to Sam. We’re hanging out the Philly games and the Seattle game. The rest was pretty mid at best. Only ppl begging for more time are Commanders fans bc we just desperately want anyone to show a pulse at the position. 
 

But even wilder, Trevor Lawrence doesn’t get enough scrutiny for being a top 12 QB with a playoff win under his belt for the JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS with his best receivers being a guy that hadn’t played football in almost 2 years and Christian Kirk? 

3 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

My point in posting that isn’t that Howell = Lawrence.  It’s not even that one guy gets way more rope because of where he was drafted.  I get all that.  It’s just that one dude has 3 full seasons and still leaves a lot to be desired and he’s got all the traits everyone clamors for.  He will be looking to get extended soon and likely up for the next record breaker.  I’ve watched him play enough to know that if his name wasn’t Trevor Lawrence, it’d be hilarious to think he might command a record setting contract.  Just interesting to see general consensus because a guy has all the traits, won a natty and got picked 1st.

They won their division in 2022. They won a playoff game. He was pretty good. They started this year 8-3 and then he got hurt and they’ve declined since. They still have a decent shot at back to back division titles. He’s actually displaying the type of growth/ups and down that fans can actually get behind. He isn’t a finished product yet but there’s plenty to look at with him and believe in it long term. Not elite but Jags fans can at least talk themselves into him getting there and if not, they know he’s at least good. It’s not like that team is all that loaded either. They probably wasted that first overall pick last year in Walker. Ettiene is fine. Ridley is extremely overrated. Kirk is a good WR2. 

58 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I’ll just ignore the gigantic difference in QBR, EPA, etc 
 

One was a first overall pick. The other was picked in the 5th. It’s that simple. Yes one guy will get much more of a leash. Life isn’t fair. 
 

One guy ended up being benched by a coach that was trying to use him to save his job. The answers are right in front of your face. 

10 minutes ago, skinsfan66 said:

3 Years of Lawrence and the Jags looks like it's another back to the drawling board?  They could draft another top QB in 1/2 years. The hype this year before the season was that he was making the jump (per coach), what happened? He is big, tuff has all the tools but he cannot hit an open WR down field to save his ass. Tua was just another QB without T.Hill. Herbert is hurt and in a little slump lately. Sam just needs to get to the right coach and fit, Maybe the LA Rams with the vet and coach? If not here. 

That first line is ridiculous lol. Lawrence might not be a top QB but he’s definitely a good one. Jaguars are competing for their division and will likely be giving him a huge deal soon. 
 

Sam Howell will likely be a vet backup on a random team in the next 2 years. Let’s all relax a bit. 

3 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

@BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93 Gardner Mimshew 

might as well have been Taylor Heinicke to me.  I just never saw a guy that can make all the throws, which is bulletpoint #1 for me.

I got you. I like the moxy, controlled chaos cult of personality guys in a vaccum. If I needed to win a game, I’d take him or Jameis or Heinicke. I see Sam’s final form looking something like that. I understand your point on the arm strength but Sam’s size and lack of processing ability keeps him in the this kind of category for me. 

10 minutes ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

I don’t think that at all.

 

I just see a dude without even one full season worth of starts and a whole bunch of definitive projections as to who he is.  Folks talking about him like he’s played a few seasons, has no good tape other than moments of moxie.  It feels like forever ago, but prominent players on our own team, along with the national media determined him the guy.  Just wild to me that a snide like this in a hopeless season, with a hopeless OC and hopeless team has plagued him as forever meh, with no hope for retribution.  
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That’s literally the NFL, man. Same thing happened to Minshew in 2019 and that’s why I keep using him as an example. Do you remember Minshew Mania? The NFL QB carousel is jam packed with guys that had success, crashed out, and were quickly/“unfairly” replaced. That’s the business. Minshew was getting a ton of attention nationally but the Jags weren’t gonna give him another year when they had Lawrence, Tu’a, Herbert, etc available in the draft. Minshew road the bench, bounced around, and is currently having fun in Indy. 
 

Ironically enough, 2019 Minshew and 2023 Sam have almost the exact same QBR. 
 

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sports/nfl/2021/08/28/minshew-mania-how-sixth-round-draft-pick-captured-citys-heart/5634790001/