mistertim

Again we get to you talking about any QB who can run as a "dual threat". But what YOU'RE talking about is running QBs. Dual threat to me are guys who can run but who's primary weapon is passing. Stop conflating someone like Mahomes or Allen with someone like Lamar or Richardson. Those are completely different types of QBs. Take away Lamar's legs and he scares nobody as a pocket passer. Take away Allen or Mahomes legs and it doesn't matter because they're elite pocket passers first. The mold I'm trying to "confine" him to are QBs who are long term successes in the NFL vs flash in the pan short career running QBs. And why am I not surprised that you focused purely on wins in the postseason? I said Lamar plays like ****, not "Lamar hasn't won". Let's look at those guys in the postseason. Herbert. Small sample size, one appearance so far - 1 TD 0 INT 84.7 rating Rodgers - 45 TD 13 INT 100.1 rating Love. Another relatively small sample size - 5 TD 2 INT 108.6 rating Dak - 14 TDs 7 INTs 91.8 rating Allen - 21 TDs 4 INTs 100 rating Lamar - 6 TDs 6 INTs 75 rating One of these things is not like the other. Lamar sucks in the postseason. Lamar himself. He doesn't play well, mostly because teams with decent defenses can plan to try and mitigate his legs. He then has to at least partially win from the pocket, and he's utterly mediocre at best there. And fine. If Daniels is focused on setting running records and be like Vick, Fields, or Cam I look forward to a handful of exciting games and seasons before he's out of the league, likely with no Lombardi but with a handful of serious injuries. Those QBs don't really last and they neve won ****. And the QB position has evolved into one where yes you almost have to have an athletic QB who can use his legs when needed to extend plays or run for some first downs, etc. But, again, you're not talking about that, you're talking about running QBs. The league isn't going in that direction. Mostly because coaches know that running QBs are mostly just flashes in the pan and the guys who last and are perennial contenders for a long time are the guys who are elite passers first and only use their legs secondarily when needed.

Wait, how come whenever I ask you to give me specific numbers for what makes a college QB "dual threat" (for example in the Daniels vs Maye debate) you ignore me but I have to answer you when you ask the inverse? I don't think there's a certain number of yards, just think of athletic QBs who can use their legs well but who's primary weapon is their arm. Mahomes, Allen, Dak, Love, Herbert, etc. Those guys can all use their legs and get yards when they have green grass in front of them, but their primary weapon is their passing ability. There's only one successful QB who's primary weapon is his legs and that's Lamar. But as I said, he actually sucks in the postseason when teams have more time to game plan for him and can mitigate his running ability. Take away his ability to run and he's only a mediocre QB. So yeah I'd bet that Peters and Quinn prefer that Daniels be like those former guys who are primarily passers first, scramblers second. For injury reasons and because running QBs don't win **** in the postseason if their legs are mitigated. Neither Peters or Quinn are stupid. They knows it's a passing league and that's how you win long term. Even in his post day 1 presser, Peters only mentioned Jayden's running ability AFTER he talked about his passing abilities, etc. I know you really really want running QBs to become a trend, and you've said "it's happening" for years now, but it's just not the case.

Then you also must like running backs who cosplay as QBs. Passing wins in the NFL. Fields is a ****ty passer. Bet you dollars to donuts that Peters and Quinn want Daniels to be primarily a pocket passer and use his legs when necessary but NOT as a primary weapon like actual running QBs. They know perfectly well that passing wins in the NFL and that if Daniels runs as his main weapon it would probably be, at most, half a season before he's in the hospital.

Nobody is "coming around". I know you have a borderline fetish for running backs who cosplay as QBs, but the NFL doesn't, even if you live in a fantasy land where it's headed that way. There are basically 2 running QBs in the entire NFL and one of them is a guy who, after only 4 games, has already sustained multiple injuries that ended his season. The other is a regular season hero who sucks balls in the postseason when teams have more time to game plan for him. And the only way anyone would lean towards Fields over Wilson is if Wilson was literally in a coma. Fields is a terrible QB. Good running back, ****ty QB.

How do you guys not realize what a ****ty QB Fields is? It's kind of amazing that some of you think Russell Wilson needs to "watch his back" or massive 1st round bust running back Justin Fields is somehow going to magically become an actual NFL QB and take the starting job.

I think it's reasonable to watch the film and compare it to the metrics and conclude that there may be legitimate concerns about his ability as a pocket passer in the NFL. There was a post on a blog where a guy did a very thorough metrics comparison and concluded that Daniels seemed to be far closer to Justin Fields and Marcus Mariota as a passer than Lamar Jackson. Again, I fully support him now, and now that he's a Commander I certainly hope he bucks those trends and doesn't remain in that company and reaches elite potential. But acting indignant that anyone would question his ability as a pocket passer in the NFL is a bit silly. https://www.dabearsblog.com/2024/jayden-daniels-looks-hauntingly-familiar

Hey guys, been dealing with some health issues and didn't want anyone to think my absence had anything to do with me sulking about this pick. Everyone (and their mother, father, priest, dog, cat, and fourth cousin twice removed) knew I preferred Drake Maye. That being said I'm 100% here now to root for JD. I still have concerns but this is one of those times I hope I'm completely wrong and he makes a fool of me. He's certainly talented and has elite potential if he can stay healthy. Welcome, JD.

Welp, that's that. I'm going to drink now. You all have a good evening.

Well I didn't want to be so wasted already that I didn't remember. Then I'd wake up tomorrow morning with some misguided hope that we hadn't selected him. Then I'd have to go online and find out and experience the disappointment all over. Just rip the band-aid off now, and then start with the booze.

Can we please just get the Daniels pick over with so I can go start drinking?

No.

I believe this is what we would call an oxymoron.

Don't really care. I'll just go drink some beers and do something else.

Unfortunately I'm bracing myself for it being Daniels. Then I probably won't say much. Just shrug, write "sigh" and then log off.

Of course people who think he's not a good prospect couldn't possibly think that for real reasons. We all must just be gaslighting ourselves.

Talk about a 'who's who" of elite QBs

The way he's hyped you'd think Patrick Mahomes and Lamar Jackson had a kid in a three way with Tom Brady.

Given our luck with the Giants, if they manage to get Maye I predict about a 93% chance that he becomes a top 5 QB for the next 10-15 years and will regularly beat us down twice every season during that time period.

Yeah, possibly, but I think that also may have more to do with sample size than anything else. Way more QBs tend to stay in or around the pocket than ones that will be running 20 yards down the field, so it would make more sense for there to be more overall injuries in the pocket, just based on how many QBs tend to stay there.

Can someone who says Maye has "slow processing" please explain exactly why you think so and give examples? It seems like something people are just sort of repeating, but processing also one of the hardest things to judge because we don't know the play call, we don't know the progression, we don't know exactly what the defense did post snap most of the time, and we don't know whether the OL completely whiffed on their assignments. That goes for any prospect, not just Maye. Ludicrous processing speed was Brady's superpower. If it was so easy to recognize, he would have been taken much sooner. I don't think it's even possible to know a college prospect's true processing ability until after you see him take some NFL snaps.

Someone else posted something along these lines as well (just can't quite remember who) but Daniels just looks much different than Maye when he gets hit. With Maye it tends to be more of a defender dragging him to the ground. With Daniels it tends to be more a defender hitting him and Daniels flying a bit. Maybe it's a center of gravity thing? Maybe a combination of center of gravity, Jayden's slight frame, and his propensity for splaying out vs curling up when he gets hit. Either way, it's concerning.

Vick was also one of the most elusive dudes I've ever seen. He regularly juked guys out of their shoes so he was actually pretty decent at not taking a lot of big hits.

I dunno. Wasn't Vick something like 6'0 215? He was pretty solid.

IMO this should be updated to say "slim QBs who also run a lot" Cousins is pretty slim, but he's a pure pocket passer.

I don't think Murry is indicative of Kingsbury liking running or "dual threat" QBs. He got to Arizona as HC, had the #1 overall pick, had a QB on his roster (Rosen) who was godawful, the draft wasn't great with QB but Kyler was the best of the bunch. So KK figured he could mold his system around with Kyler could do.