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interesting I recall Daniels said in an interview his dad is his biggest critic including telling him at times he sucks when he's off

20 minutes ago, KDawg said:

I do. This is the year of Buechele.

Over Vaderson?

1 hour ago, The Consigliere said:

The sneaky thing about Cerrato was that I knew coming in, he'd be a disaster. If Clark and Policy weren't interested in taking him w/them to Cleveland after screwing up the Niners in the later nineties he had to be pretty bad and stories circulated back then of how bad, but what's funny is that beyond the toady nonsense with Snyder, Cerrato's draft CV is vastly better than Casserly's. You compare Casserly '89-'99, and Cerrato '00-to whenever he was ejected ('09 I think?), he was just a D to D+ GM where Casserly was an emphatic F, probably worse than an F. 

 

On Ron, as awful as it is to say, considering things you mentioned during this last season, I wonder if he was just flat out demoralized, fighting cancer, working for Snyder, things not working out, clearly on a "you've got 1 year" and knowing there was no chance. I wonder if he just kind of just checked out. He was aware that the only way he'd be back was if Sam Howell was Joe Burrow and the rest of the team stayed healthy and over performed, and neither were likely. I wonder if he just quit in general.

Otoh, all his drafts sucked. But yeah, he clearly seemed over it completely this season. It's also worth noting, and I think I mentioned it when he was hired, over here. If you looked at his Carolina CV, it was basically trash. What you saw was pretty obvious, he lucked into the 1.01 in an elite no doubt about QB class (Newton) in his first year. He produced three quality seasons, and one Cam in God Mode Season, and otherwise the Panethers underperformed, and then fell apart as Cam's body fell apart. Whatever happened with the Panthers was largely a product of Cam Newton (and that stud LB didn't hurt either). They were sub .500 in 5 of his 8 years there, never as horrible as we were in '23, but generally speaking, they were largely meh. '11, '12, '14, '16, '18 and '19 were all disappointing. So when things went sideways it was pretty obvious, always, what happened, and that, not coincidentally was part of the reason I was so surprised when he ignored QB in '20 and '21. It was so so so obvious that Cam was everything when he was in Carolina, and just to make do with a 10th to 15th percentile QB room '20-'23 was so utterly asinine it was mind boggling. Then again I guess he did try to solve it with former never was types like Wentz, but he should have known after he was quickly cashiered out of Philly and Indy, that that plan was hopeless. 

 

5am doesn't really move the needle too much though, Joe was that, apparently McVay was that, and I'm that (basically 515-545 wake up time the past 15 years for my work)...but I do like his energy, fire, and the reality that he does seem to max teams out, other than '20 with Atlanta when Ryan was semi-cooked. 

Ron's one big accomplishment was FA in his first year.  Knocked it out of the park.  But Kyle Smith was heavy involved in that.  When Kyle left, Ron struggled after that.  FA sucked the draft sucked. His trades sucked.

He was as delusional as Bruce and Vinny and also even oddly arrogant like them at times too.  But a much nicer and classier guy.   Maybe Dan's delusion-arrogance filters to his employees.

He basicaly left the organization as a classier one than what he inherited but with a worse roster than he inherited.

Just hearing how this new regime is a breath of fresh air brings it home.     I don't fault Ron for not working around the clock because of his health issues so I get that.  But otherwise this comes off as a regime that is much more humble and self aware while being much more hardworking and competent.  But will see.

4 hours ago, Chump Bailey said:

I do feel some vindication

 

"The truth is, the Commanders, the two quarterbacks that they had in consideration at No. 2 were Jayden Daniels and J.J. McCarthy,"

I'd feel vindication on your end as to how Peters felt.

But clearly the Giants, Patriots felt Maye > McCarthy

I don't get the sense that Peters thought it was close between Daniels and McCarthy.  A bunch of narratives (including from Keim) that Peters was smitten with Daniels from the jump.  But clearly they weren't as high on Maye as some other teams.

Digesting a ton of narratives-leaks.  This much seems clear.

A.  Scouts-coaches were much higher on Daniels than the mock drafters.  Some mock drafters were big on Daniels but they seem to think its more even between Daniels and Maye.  Whereas scouts-coaches felt Daniels was a clear peg better

B.    Scouts-coaches were higher on Maye than they were on McCarthy with some outlier exceptions.  This team being one of those outlier exceptions.

But will see what happens.  I was higher on Maye than most.  Also higher on Daniels than most.  Will see how it plays out, I don't think anyone is vindicated until it plays out.

The only vindication for some right now is there were people on the QB thread convinced that Peters loved Maye and any move towards a different QB had to be fueled by Quinn and others.  Clearly that was not the case.

1 hour ago, The Consigliere said:

maybe it was you, or maybe someone posted him, and it was exciting, getting him as a UDFA feels like we got basically a pair of extra 6th or 7th rounders (along with the other DB we signed who wasn't quite at his level of promise). Very exciting.

 

On Quinn, I'm getting more excited over time, he's younger than I realized, I thought he was more 60ish, but instead he's my older brothers age, which I like, otoh, it looks like in '19 they were top 11-13 in defense, and in '20 they fell to around 23rd or 22nd and much worse in total yards given up. It's rather odd. How much of the change was bringing in a mega superstar in Michah Parsons, but regardless, a top 3ish defense after he arrived. I don't know what to think of it, the dallas d was good in '19, objectively below average to horrible in '20, and very good in '21 (the odd thing is there were a lot more good defenses in '19 than in '21, not sure why). 

 

Anyway, I remain a skeptic of the quick turn around idea. I like that we added an elite DT prospect, I don't think there's much argument against the idea that we got a top 20-25 level talent, basically an extra mid to later round 1st round talent in the DT, we probably added 2 defensive players via the draft that will have some degree of immediate impact as rotational support to the secondary and the DL, but with no edge talent really, the LB position got a legit talent, but not a lot behind him via FA, I just tend to think this build out will take 2 or 3 years, and that's fine. I don't expect the D to get back to where it was in '20-'22, I suspect it will be bottom third in '24. That's fine w/me though, long term that would serve us better than a quick jump into the top 10-15. 

 

But I am reasonably excited that we did a nice job plugging holes, and adding some nice long term talent infusions to transition to a new era. Really promising. 

 

But next year? I still expect us to be bottom 10, probably bottom 5-8, and again, that's fine, we need at least one more really crappy year before attaining mediocrity I'd like to think, and then hopefully advancing to excellent by '26 or '27. Suits me fine and so far so good. One of the things worth noting, also, is there wont be an effort to position for Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, and Jayden etc next year, the QB class still has a couple of first rounders, but even the top guys are a tier below the top 3 to 4 from this year, so that, combined w/whats happened with various teams, suggests to me that only a few might bottom out: Carolina will again, Tennessee can't help, some injuries in the wrong places could do it to Oakland, NYG will probably struggle unless Nickels shows out with Nabers in house, Denver could be a mess and New England, will be a mess, but when I look around the league, not a lot of teams are likely to be god awful: New England, Tennessee, Oakland and Denver, Us, (the whole NFC and AFC South problem is they get to play eachother so probably nobody other than Tennessee and Carolina will totally suck), Arizona is going to bounce back, not sure what the rams will do with an aging QB but they have the potential to collapse with that problem. But really, I do put us in that clump of the worst 7 or 8 teams, we aren't the worst in that pile, but we'll probably be in the middle, with the potential to pick between as high as 3rd or 4th, and as low as 7th to 10th or 11th. 

Yeah I watched the corner and liked him, has a shot to be a starter.

Yeah I love Quinn's energy and drive.  I heard he's coming into work at 5 am everyday just about and is obssessed with doing it better this time. 

Rivera on contrary if you listened to his post firing presser felt that he had nothing to learn from his Carolina stint and seem to coach this team with a lack of urgency.

Feels night and day this new regime from the last.

Not to mention with the benefit of hindsight, we've had some bad FO's but I think Rivera ended up the worst of the bad lot.  Classy guy so tough to link with Cerrato and Bruce who both lacked class.  But if you look at the body of their work.  Cerrato >> Rivera.  Bruce >> Rivera.  Rivera was a train wreck as to personnel. 

36 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

But note when the defensive players were drafted, it was less valuable capital:

 

Offense: 2nd pick, 53rd pick, 67th pick, 100th pick (4 of our top 6 picks)

Defense: 36th pick, 50th pick, 139th, 161st, 222nd 

 

If you actually measure the picks by draft capital value, I wouldn't be surprised if the offense has the bulk of the value. Lets be straight, 139th, 161st, and 22nd's are dart throws from 15-20 feet away, 2nd, 53rd, and 67th? Those are dart throws from 5-7 feet away. 

 

To me, they played the board, people are insisting it was a defense heavy draft, but really it was only so on day 3, and on day 3, you are hoping to hit on 1 starter if you're lucky and a reserve for 1 contract. It's the day 1 and day 2 capital that needs to hit and should at least be eventually worth a 2nd contract, and providing some value (especially top 30-50 guys). 

 

 

 

QB was a given.  The next top 2 picks was defense.  But per my orginal post, the whole off season wasn't just the draft.  FA was heavy on defense.  

1 minute ago, The Consigliere said:

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I'm also not entirely sold on the idea that we were 100% about fixing the defense, I really do kinda think we were hitting the board, period, after the Daniels pick. We had needs everywhere so anyone was justifiable....

 

FA was very dominated by defense.  The idea some of us talked about focusing on offense in the draft and defense in FA.  But they ended up drafting even more defenders.

I talked before the draft about Quinn referencing Peters showcasing a QB to him and how detailed he was in explaining the nuances of how this QB was playing.  And they had a session early on for a few hours on that QB.  Based on this, that Qb was clearly Daniels.

I've talked about him in the UDFA thread.  This dude looks like he can play.

In theory at least feels Peters killed it in this draft.

20 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

They made building a championship caliber defense a huge priority, and I think they are going to pull it off.  An elite defense is a big part of a QB development cradle, because it gives them the ability to make mistakes and go through growing pains.  

Quinn turned a garabage Dallas defense overnight when he got there -- one draft-one season complete turnaround.

Feels like they will do it again.

Among being a poorly coached team, the odd thing about Rivera as to building his roster on defense didn't seem to care a heck of a lot about depth at certain spots.  This regime clearly does.  I suspect they aren't done.

27 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I had a good feeling that a first round DL would be the best player at 36, but had absolutely no clue it would or even could be Newton. He had no business making it out of the top 15.

Yeah I didn't watch Newton until an hour or so before the 2nd day of the draft started.  i did it because he was BPA in so many mocks. But otherwise I ignored the DTs for this draft.  So much time to watch and had to cut comething out. 

Watched a lot of the DEs, QBs, WRs, RBs, CBs, TEs.

Watched very little of the LBs, S, and almost none of the DTs.  

Was listening to Nagy on Sheehan's show yesterday and he was borderline giddy about this draft and especially high on Sainstrill, McCaffrey, Sinnott, Coleman,

I don't know if I nailed a ton.

I followed Keim's breadcrumbs on Daniels, while some others were accusing Keim of being a tool and said his sources dried up.  Betting on Keim usually works in my favor.

Sainstrill I liked early in the process and pushed him.  But then later I wondered if he was a scheme fit.

Sinnott was my 2nd favorite TE in the class and made my guys list.

I wasn't thinking Newton at all but loved the pick when it happened.  Coleman wasn't on my radar among the 2nd tier tackles aside from commenting on and off that his athletic profile seemed perfect.

I wasn't super high on McCaffrey but love the dude now that I digested him and watched his interviews.

Hampton I took in the board's mock draft so am very familiar with.

Macgee I didn't know at all because I didn't watch much of the LBs.

Jean-Baptitise actually was a mid-to late round edge I pushed on draft day and ranked him well on my edge rankings

Watched this, comes off smart and even a bit entertaining

@KDawg was joking about Starwars refrences to this team.  Ironically watched a Luke McCaffrey interview he's genuinely a Star Wars freak, you'd think Luke would be his favorite character but nope its Anakin.   So I guess McCaffrey has a darkside

7 hours ago, SoCalSkins said:

I had such a blast that weekend. New Orleans fans are probably the friendliest group to opposing fans. 

I echo that.  Been to my share of road games, New Orleans was the most fun.

2 hours ago, kleese said:

Now that the draft is over, I think Washington probably marginally improved odds for some prominent games. If we were a “C” team prior to draft, I imagine we are a “C+” now. I think you’ll see a small bump in our “schedule profile” this year. Mock coming soon! 

With Daniels wonder if in game 1...the Bears first round QB dual or versus the Ravens Daniels versus Lamar

1 hour ago, Yng Lady88 said:

Great interview with the WR from Georgia, Rosemy-JackSaint. Some quotes thats stuck out to me, especially the first. He mentioned the same things i noticed when i watched his clip posted a few pages back.

 

Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint Draft Networking Interview: 'I Can Play Just About Anywhere'

 

JM: You have outstanding size for the position. You’re 6-foot-1 and 195 pounds with 33-inch arms and 10-inch hands. How do you use size to your advantage?

Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint: That’s the thing. I’ve never been a super-fast guy with 4.2 speed. That’s just not my game. I’ve always relied on technique more than anything. Using my size to box out my opponents at the catch point has always been a big part of my game.

I use my long arms to highpoint the football. Most defensive backs can’t match my size or my length. I can beat a defensive back at the catch point. Having strong hands helps. I love utilizing size to my advantage.

JM: We love the way you use your size on tape. Does Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint have a favorite route to run?

Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint: The whole route tree, man (laughs). I just love running routes in general. I’ve never felt like I had one specific route that I liked running more than others. I love the entire route tree.

JM: Can you see yourself playing that “Big Slot” position at the next level?

Marcus Rosemy-Jacksaint: Oh yeah, definitely. I feel like I can play inside and outside. I can play slot receiver, or I can play as a boundary receiver. It doesn’t matter where you line me up at. I’m going to make plays and get the job done regardless.

 

Marcus is a baller, fun watch.  Emphasized him some on the draft thread.  When he ran the 4.8 turned me off a little but watching him again some he looks faster than that as to game speed

The dude has the length and athleticism to play tackle.  He played both in college.  But this isn't a case of trying to make a dude without length who should play guard play tackle

He's clownish but I'll take it

9 minutes ago, Est.1974 said:

I think we’d have been taking Patrick Paul at #36 or #40

 

Newton was then too good to pass on, as was the Eagles trade offer. 

I liked Paul as you did.  I know he's a project but decent pass protector and his length is sick.

I watched Coleman casually, I got to rewatch him.  I was aware during the process that he has freakish measurables. Suuposedly played better in 2022, in 2023 I heard he played the season with a high ankle sprain.  Good wingspan, massive hands.  Great athlete.

Brugler is really high on him.  He tells the narrative of him spending time in Germany among other things.   Seems like an interesting dude.  Peters talked about liking his meeting with him -- that was one of their 30 proday visits. 

15 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

They traded down for Sainristil though.  If they'd seriously been considering him at 36 and felt nervous about losing him, they would have picked him at 40.  I think we played it perfectly and couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the trade was announced on the TV.  Admittedly, I don't love that the Eagles got DeJean from it, but a trade back from 40 into the 50s after getting a high upside faller at 36 is the exact scenario we had been hoping for in the draft thread for months.  We just didn't know who the faller would be.

 

The surprising thing for me was the compensation.  I didn't expect to get a second pick in the 50s.  I thought the compensation would be an extra third rounder, and hadn't considered that we could use the Sam Howell third to get up into the 50s a second time.  I think Philly was the only team where that could have been an option.  So let's say the compensation had instead been something like 51 and 84 (from Pittsburgh), or 50 and 83 (from Philly without the repositioning), we would have missed out on Sinnott.  Those wouldn't have been terrible trades, we still could have drafted something like Sainristil + Christian Haynes/Blake Corum + Roman Wilson/Zak Zinter.  Just go all out on Michigan players.  But Sainristil + Sinnott feels pretty good.

 

Most places have us committing a pretty big reach on Sinnott, but I don't agree with that.  He was 58 on my board.  I think Sinnott was heavily underrated by draftniks this year, and I've actually done pretty well with my TE rankings and spotting gems over the years.  He was pretty firmly TE2 for me, and there was a 20 spot drop to TE3 in JaTavion Sanders, which honestly could have been way bigger since he didn't get picked until the beginning of the fourth round.  IMO Tip Reiman was the big reach.  So if you accept that Sinnott and Sainristil were taken at a proper range (which I do), our second round played out pretty close to ideal for us.

Sure, I know they traded down.  But like when they targeted Guice in the 2nd years back.  In both cases, they felt he would still be there.  And of course there is always a backup plan if they aren't there.

I agree about Sinnott.  He made my guys list so one of my top 20 favorite players.  I have done well with TEs myself including having Laporta on my last years my guys list and I liked him early in the process before he became cool.  Sinnott for whatever reason never became cool with the draftniks unlike Laporta. 

I wasn't high on Reiman, rated him if I recall as a 6th rounder.  I went deep into TE evaluations as I typically do.

Edit:  I get the point which is they were unlikely targeting him at 36.  Agree, clearly not.  But it came off as to the post draft talk, they wanted that player in the 2nd at some point.

13 minutes ago, The Consigliere said:

Do you think he might have gone higher if he'd spent more of his time there rather than on the bench at Ohio State? Reading about him, seems like the floor is reasonably decent, and there's more upside than usual for a 7th round edge we draft (I think we haven't hit on a late round edge since Richie Redskin in '94 or '95 whenever he came out-can't remember how late round he was). Part of me is optimistic, but the experienced me just tosses him the bin with the rest of late day 3 edge's who've sucked 96% of the time. 

Maybe so.  Also being a backup at Ohio State might have helped him over the long haul because their D line coach is a legend so he likely got coached up well.

When I was hunting for mid round types -- tweeners with good athleticism and are disruptive, he was one of the ones I liked.  Just below Booker, Solomon, X. Thomas.

I was focused some on players like that because reading about Quinn's defenses, he tends to find a role for players like that -- finding mismatches, etc.

This guy even though is a bit undersized is actually solid against the run.