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1 minute ago, Warhead36 said:

I wouldnt mind using one of our 3rds along with our high 2nd to move back into the 1st for a T if someone like Faunaga or Latham slide’s into the 20s. Can address interior OL with our other 2nd. 

Agree. Guys with real OT traits (not short armed ROT/OG tweeners who are almost certainly guards) are going to go fast; we might get lucky and one lasts to the second but not a certainty.

Aside from Bowers, who are  some  of the best TEs? We need help at TE desperately next year; I think it’s a lock we draft one.

Thanks to all the folks posting Twitter/x stuff. Super helpful. 

29 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

It's done.  Welcome to Washington Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, or Jayden Daniels.

Fixed it. Who knows how we and other teams will have them stacked after combine. I could see Jayden or Drake going 1 if they ran crazy at combine, showed off sick arm, Jayden weighs 215-220, etc.

1 minute ago, mhd24 said:

Everyone, just root hard for NYG.  We don't want them to get a high pick.  Also, root for KC and root for the Jags to come back if possible.

Yup. Keep the Giants from getting a franchise QB or MHJ. Let them wander in QB purgatory for a few more years and have a new coaching staff and GM in a few years.

10 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 I also don't think there is any point in devoting any actual resources to seeing if Sam can get better if we have committed to taking a QB with the #2 pick. All of the focus, attention, scheme, support, etc should be given to that rookie QB. If other QBs happen to learn along the way, cool, but any idea of him being a starting QB here again has sailed. And its not all his fault, he had a bad offensive line and not the best scheme but thats how the NFL goes sometimes. 

I think all resources should be focused on developing the player and designing and implementing an offense that allows our rookie QB (whoever it is) to be successful. 
 

The rest really doesn’t matter that much to me, whether a veteran QB, Howell, etc. is on the roster, so I agree.

Probably the most likely scenario is that our new OC will want a veteran who is familiar with his scheme to come in and help with install, mentoring, etc.

I just don’t see why the Sam Howell hate is necessary. He’s young, cheap, showed promise, and won’t be a distraction in the locker room. He’s a good dude, and he didn’t play well the end of the year. I don’t think he sucks, and why should we assume he won’t get better in a new offense with new coaches?  

I don’t think he’s going to be some destabilizing force that we have to jettison. That’s all I’m saying. And I am not convinced there are really great FA vet QB options that I would like. Jacoby is not going to come back here, IMO, and who knows if he is even a scheme fit.

3 minutes ago, Chump Bailey said:

When I started looking at QB's, Michael Penix Jr. was one I felt something was drawing me to him. Similar to Nix and McCarthy. My initial opinion of Penix was that he was a potential turnover machine. And although his stats accuracy wise are behind the others, I've reached an entirely different opinion on him. Perhaps that was just one especially bad game I watched of him and made a hasty decision.

 

It's time for me to come out and say for the record that I like Penix Jr. over Maye and by a good margin. The more I watch, the more I like. His arm is on par with Williams IMO. 

 

Michael Penix Jr. is now my QB #2. As long as the medicals check out, I'd take him #2 overall for the Commanders. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’ve watched a lot of UW games. That is a fantastic offense with legit WRs and the best coach in college football.

Penix’s arm is not in Williams class. 
 

Not saying he’s a bad player, I like him and respect what he’s done but his upside is not high enough for me to draft him that high.  
 

I do think he will be a starting QB if he stays healthy, but I want all pro potential.

6 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

 

I'm good with rotating the picks if NYG isn't in a position to draft any of the top QBs.

Yeah we want the Giants to stay in QB purgatory. Could get their coach fired next season too.

2 minutes ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 

Howell can not mentor anyone. 🥴 We should not want someone who got benched 3 times in a season for poor play mentoring anyone else. This conversation is becoming absolutely insane to me. You want him teaching the same bad mechanics and poor field vision that he has shown?

 

We also have no idea what Howell would net, so we should find out. I believe Gardner Minshew netted a 5th or 6th round pick. 

 

Howell costing less than a veteran doesn't mean anything since the veteran's experience would be 100 times more valuable than anything Sam could offer a rookie. 

Take a look at the list of FA QBs. Assuming we draft a QB at 2, why would they want to come here, and which one is worth 3-8 million when Howell costs next to nothing, has shown promise, has been in the NFL for two years, and has a personal relationship with Drake Maye.

Don’t want to hijack the thread, so I’ll stop responding.

1 minute ago, ThatNFLChick said:

 

I have to ask again, why would anyone want Howell as a backup when he couldn't outplay Jacoby? And what decent vet is going to sign here to be 3rd string? 

 

I also don't care who Howell is friends with - he should not be mentoring or helping to teach anyone when he regressed significantly this season (not to mention it will be a whole new offense that Sam wouldn't have any experience with anyway). Almost every QB from Mahomes to Rodgers to Love to even Brady have talked about how valuable it was to have a veteran to learn from and talk to. Sam is not that. I think they need to look for a trade partner and move on from Sam. This team only carries 2 QBs on the active roster and 1 of them should absolutely be a vet. 

A couple of things:

1. Howell costs much less than a veteran backup in FA and Jacoby isn’t coming back here.

2. Howell won’t net anything significant in a trade so why get rid of him for nothing? He’s not bad. He still has potential to grow.

3. It’s not so much that a care who Howell is friends with, but I do want my rookie franchise QB set up for success. I believe coming into a new city, job, offense, etc. there would be at least some tangential benefit to a familiar face, especially when it’s a mentor you have known since you were 18 years old, if Drake Maye is the pick.

27 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

If we end up picking second, then the new regime needs to take advantage of this golden opportunity, pick Drake Maye, trade Howell, and start building up an offense around Maye.

I’m not sure why you would want/need to trade Howell. I don’t think you would get a decent draft pick, and Howell and Maye have been friends since Drake was in HS.

That would be a good QB room for two years.

You Will Never Look At the NFL Draft the Same Way

Great video on YouTube regarding present vs future value bias and why NFL teams make poor decisions.

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8 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

 

I would trade up for him.  I would package the seconds together to go up into the teens to get him.

I think trading the two twos for a 1 to get our OT makes a ton of sense. That fifth year option is a big factor and they will go quick.

9 minutes ago, SkinsHokieFan said:

If this team is at number 2, there is no reason to make any rash moves. 

 

Ideally the Cardinals are at number 4 also, and NE at 3. 

 

Why? Assume the Bears keep Fields, and they moved down to number 3 (trade with NE) with the thinking of drafting Harrison Jr, we could simply trade down with the Cardinals (pick 4 and 18) and the Cardinals (assuming they keep Kyler) would still be able to get Harrison. 

 

I don't believe that at number 2 we will need to pay a kings ransom for our QB. If 1 of the top QBs is clearly valued by the new regime vs the others, sure get him. But if they are even, just wait and see how it plays out 

It could happen that way. Or, after we trade down to 4, Bears trade the 3rd pick to the Giants or some other team to take the QB we liked. Then we are stuck with no MHJ, and no QB.

I don’t think we can be cute.

1 minute ago, BayouBrave86 said:

Nix is dog ****. He couldn’t  cut it in the best conference  in the country. 

Did he bang your girl or something? 

😂

I don’t think anyone was hyping him up now that we have pick 2 or 3.

Wohler DB from Wisconsin making some plays in this bowl game!

1 minute ago, Conn said:

My point is that it is largely not luck, but incompetence. You create your own “luck” by being an organization that makes good choices, draws top employees, and develops young players. Our luck is only going to change because everything else is going to change. 

100% true. Successful people/orgs make their own “luck” by working harder than others, being better at what they do, and constantly looking for ways to improve.

SF traded up for a QB who busts and they are still dominant because they are hitting on other picks, trades, elite coaching etc.

I’m laughing like a Bond villain. An Eagles loss! A Cardinals win!

Haha!

58 minutes ago, mac8887 said:

 

 

I can see it eventually leading to less draft busts because the players will be more seasoned, and fully grown. It may reduce the number of players being drafted on perceived potential rather than fulfilled potential.

 

 

 

I think QB in particular will fare better . Guys playing for a few years and transferring and becoming better players. Bo Nix, Daniels, and Penix are all guys who really benefited and grew as players. 

1 minute ago, BatteredFanSyndrome said:

Russell Wilson for $7-$15M per, ya’ll are smoking rock.

Please correct me if I’m mistaken, but I believe he still will be paid by Denver his guaranteed money still owed, even if he’s cut. 

Anything he signs for would be deducted from what they owe, so he can sign for as little as he wants and depending on how it’s structured would still get 10 mil from Denver. Remember, he signed an extension and he gets all the guarantees even if cut.
 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/russell-wilson-9885/

26 minutes ago, mac8887 said:

Wilson has had a fairly good year this year. If we were to win a game or 2 and drop out of the range of the top 3 qbs, I wouldn't mind getting him as long as he was willing to take less than 7 mil a year. If McCarthy came out I'd probably be willing to trade back in the first for him.

 

Sign Wilson on the cheap if he'd take less than 7 and draft penix or nix in round 2. Let them sit for 2 years.

 

Use the first rounder for bowers or nabers and the rest of the picks and cap on o line.

 

In this scenario you could become a wildcard contender while setting yourself up for the future at the same time.

 

Wilson wanting anymore than 7-8 million would make it not worth it though. You wouldn't have the cap room to sure up the d enough.

Not a bad scenario, even if we don’t win another game. I’ll support the new GM and coaching staff. If they don’t love one of the QBs, don’t force it. 

That said, I think we should take a QB with our first rounder.
 

28 minutes ago, exjoe1973 said:

There is a thread for mock drafts.