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Other then being tall what makes Vesely a Pf? Because he sure defended Sf's and the perimeter very well showed enough quickness to stay with guys etc. Was very good defending ball screens and his long arms allowed him to disrupt passing lanes. I think he can be a elite defender at Sf. He kinda plays very smart, very hard like someone else. At Pf he was overpowered and ragdolled way to much. He base is extremely fragile along with his overall frame. He is' nt a rebounder. He is a classic ectomorph and will struggle to gain weight and get stronger.

If were hell bent on a Sf it should be him without a doubt. Eg shoulda been fired you can' t win games especially playoff games if you can' t make jumpers in the halfcourt. Eg drafted 2 pitiful shooting Sf's last year who play defense in the first round and might do it again this year with Mkg. And if somebody wants to say Vesely is a 4 i' ll play along because I dont wanna start another debate.

38% on 3' s is damn good on this team. His fg% was higher his first 2 years. But i thought he was on his rookie deal forgot he was a Udfa. For that coin i'd pass as well. ---------- Post added June-19th-2012 at 12:47 PM ---------- Alot of reports saying we love Mkg ughh. Love him as a player but this offense is gonna be a complete joke. You can't build a team around 2 awful shooting perimiter players.

Matthews is a good player not sure how much you actually watched him. He is right around a 40% 3 point shooter all 3 years in the league and will get you 12-15ppg.

I would call Portland we could probably get Wesley Matthews+# 6 for # 3. At # 6 your still getting a hellva player and Matthews would start day 1. I'd even consider trading the pick to someone like Atlanta Josh Smith/or Horford+ Marvin Williams,#23 for Rashard+#3. The 3rd pick is'nt likely to be a all star caliber player anyway and your getting 2 legit 25 year old starters and a lower first rounder. Josh Smith is a perfect uptempo PF for Wall to run with, he rebounds and blocks shots at a good rate covering up for Nene. With a legit 2 guard that team could do some damage and the frontline would have alot of depth.

He was with EG in Milwaukee. If healthy he is still very effective shooter and a 14-16ppg scorer. Thats why i'd imagine we would be interested plus vet leadership. It would only be a 1-2 year deal. I doubt he comes here though

I was told this morning that Teddy loves Trob and they'd be shocked if we passed on him. Mkg' s workout being closed is strange though either they love him or they wanna put off that impression. Also Ray Allen and Jeff Green Fa targets.

I'm not gonna keep going back and forth on Beal vs Barnes time will tell. But I will say this Harden was one of the very best 2 guards i've watched the last 10 years in college basketball. He was better then Tyreke and still is in my opinion. He came in as a freshman and played damn well. As a sophmore he was over 20ppg if my memory serves me correctly and he shot damn near 50%fg both seasons. He was a complete basketball player and played in college just like he does now. Matter of fact just found his college stats disgusting compared to someone like Beal. That was a legit top 3 talent at 2 guard. Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG 2008-09 35 35.8 20.1 48.9 35.6 75.6 4.2 5.6 0.3 1.7 2007-08 34 34.1 17.8 52.7 40.7 75.4 3.2 5.3 0.6 2.1 He shot 52%fg and 40%3fg with over 3ast, 5+reb and 2+spg as a true freshman.

I disagree but we will have to wait and see who gets drafted first and who plays the best. Time will tell.

Stats mean nothing to me honestly,I'm just not a huge stats guy with prospects there was'nt a huge difference anyway and alot of stuff goes into that teammates, system etc. I form my opinions based off years of being around the game and knowing what i'm looking at. Even in the small video scouting breakdowns draft express has done on both, the difference is night and day between a guy like Barnes and Beal offensively. Watch the draft express breakdown on both players there breakdown of Beal and its what you'll see if you have access to games. Lots of jumpers and very little creating jumpers or NBA type ISO plays. He also played Sf on a team with shotjackers in the backcourt and no frontcourt help that allowed his rebound numbers to be inflated, he did'nt even average that in high school. He also played 34mpg which is alot in college. Barnes video you will see lots of NBA type ISO's that translate to the pro game. Shooting off the dribble, pump fakes drawing fouls and getting his own shot off of them. He averaged 7 FTA a game those are great signs to being a pro scorer. Barnes also had a stacked team and was still the #1 option for his club both years. He was the defensive focus unlike Beal. He put up 17ppg in under 30mpg both years. I still think Barnes goes before Beal NBA GM's have access to some of the same games i've watched of these guys. Beal is a good pick in the 5-8 area but is'nt a elite offensive talent the comparisons to Ray Allen are laughable. Even has a freshman Ray Allen was a lights out shooter that would dunk all over you.

Steve, how in the world can you justify taking Beal at #3 thats insanity, you even said so last week. Honestly for example what does he do better then Barnes? Rebound? Put him on Unc doubtful. Beal did' nt rebound that well in high school and played Sf this year with shotjacking guards and no legit bigs. I take all these guys over Beal without hesitation Davis Drummond Barnes Mkg Trob He is' nt a top 3 pick in any draft, period

Harden is damn good player on a sorry team he averages 20+ ppg. I'd trade #3 for him in a heartbeat and this team would make the playoffs and have a bright future. This draft is' nt one for superstars at best your looking best case of drafting a borderline all star like a Harden,Gay, Granger etc.

I think his rebounding won't be that great either 6+. Those rebounding numbers are alittle high because he played Sf this year with shot jackers. He did'nt even rebound that well in high school I think he averaged right at 5 reb. Somebody like Barnes played with a very good frontcourt in Zeller and Henson who ate up alot of rebounds. The Wizards need to bring in guys like Barnes,MKG, Beal etc together to workout. Beal and Barnes workout for Cleveland saturday.

Ersan is stretch 4 and i like Barton but his jumper is shaky.

http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Harrison-Barnes-Video-Scouting-Report-3969

Just ran across a new Barnes video scouting report on draft express. I cant copy it from my phone can someone else link it. That is a good breakdown of what I saw. Even in the negatives those are typical Nba jumpers. He needs to work on creating for others but so do others at 19 this kid will be very good. There is 0 Calbert Cheaney in his game. Look at all the Nba Iso's in that video step back, pump fakes etc.

In my eyes Love is a monster double double machine. I' d take him over just about every Pf in the league. ---------- Post added June-14th-2012 at 03:13 PM ---------- Batum plays 2 guard alot with Wesley Matthews at the 3. I honestly think Barnes can guard 2 guards very underrated defender

I dont see Calbert at all and i loved Calbert when he was young. Barnes will be better then Beal,Trob and Mkg.

The more I watch Barnes the more I love him. Reminds me of a Glen Rice/ Steve Smith cross. The kid can defend and when solely watching him he is impressive. Some team is gonna get a good Nba scorer and defender. He is actually damn good creating space off the dribble for his jumper very surprising lots of Nba type Iso's he scores on. He does' nt get to the rim off the dribble but you can tell its because he loves his jumper and settles alot.He gets to the FT line at a good clip another great sign. I think with all the hype in high school he is getting nitpicked. He is the perfect fit on this team with a guy like Wall. He will only improve at 19 and just learning to play wing after being a big the sky is the limit. Barnes is my #1 option for this team think he is cant miss. John Jenkins/ Doron Lamb at 32 Machado at 45 I do backflips and like this team without any free agent moves. You add Batum its a playoff team.

Never said Mkg played Pf. I said he played like a Pf in college posting up smaller Sf' s basically 2 guards shooting his baby hook. People can doubt Sully all they want we'll see. What is Barnes shooting percentages i' d bet Beals are' nt better then either of Barnes seasons. Thats without looking so i could be wrong. But spotting up Barnes is deadly.

My views have nothing to do with combine results. I like a consistent body of work which is why I like Sully over Trob. People can't judge Barnes based on the last few games its a body of work. Here is what I saw in going back Mkg plays like a Pf in college lots of postups on smaller college Sf's shooting lots of hook shots. Thats not gonna happen in the Nba againest longer Sf's. He is weak as heck to be 230+ and do 6 reps its pitiful at that weight not that it means alot but he wont be a bully on the block. His ballhandling is over rated and he very rarely created off the dribble. Most of his buckets came running the break or posting up.He plays hard and is a good defender but nowhere near what Singleton was at Fsu and we see how that translated although I think he turns it around with a full camp. Mkg will play defense, play hard, rebound and finish on the break and thats about it until he develops a jumpshot. The kid only averaged 20ppg playing in high school. With Barnes what you see is what you get. I think he is a 17-20ppg 5-6 reb Nba player. He plays good defense,posses protypical Sf size and is flatout deadly with his feet set especially on the break. He is a good finisher on the break and a decent rebounder. He hit alot of shots off the dribble but don' t beat many to the rim. He is a perfect fit with a Pg like Wall to get him wide open jumpers. He should continue to improve after being a bigman most of his life. Sully vs Trob Trob scares me the most he will be boom or bust. He could' nt sniff the court his first 2 seasons or even get more then 10 min per game. The Morris twins are' nt anything special proving that this year. If your a special elite talent they find a spot for you. Not only that but his To' s are very high for a bigman even in limited minutes the previous seasons. What he is though this year was a bulldog outhustling guys playing hard. When I compare Sully and Trob to me its skill vs athletism. Both struggle with lenght, both play good post man defense but dont defend the rim. Both are good rebounders. But Sully is advanced offensively a very skilled, smart player. He knows when to screen& roll, has array of post moves with excellent footwork. He has developed a nice 3 pt shot and is deadly from the highpost pick and pop game. He showed his work ethic losing weight but he wont wow anyone with his physique or athlethism. Trob seems to be the type that will run the floor, get putbacks ans stick a elbow jumpers but not a offensive creater at all on the block like Sully. If he can' t rebound the same way as college and we' ve seen it before with dominant guys like Beasley he will be a bust and 1 year wonder.

My new rankings after watching more of the top prospects. #1 Davis #2 Drummond #3 Barnes #4 MKG #5 Sully #6 TRob #7 Lamb #8 Beal #9 Lilliard #10 Rivers

Go over to Dx all results are posted. Barnes had a freakish standing vertical and the fastest 3/4 court sprint. Mkg did 6 reps Someone posted a WoJo tweet from last year when Barnes was matched up with Durant the scout said thats your #1 pick. But times change and people look for reason to knock a overhyped guy like Barnes down.

Damn Barnes with a 39.5 vertical. He is gonna be the one teams regret not picking been nitpicked way to much from the hype. Put up good numbers both years in under 30mpg. Beal 39" vertical Mkg-35.5"