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They tried to tade up but no one was willnig to trade, at least without trading th farm. I am glad they were not desperate and jsut traded up giving up all kinds of other resources. By pick 29, below is what had been selected. Agian, Adam P made it very celar they tried to get back into the 1st to get one of these guys. ANd if we are being honest are Morgan (pick 25), Barton (pick 26) and Guyton (pick 29) really 12st rd OTs? For me the 1st rd Tackles stopped at Fautanu, but that's jsut me. ANd he may end up at Gaurd where he already played some. The next group down to Coleman at 67 was: I didn ot like anyone in thre well enoguh to trade up for them. JPJ is pure C anyway. I don't see anyone I want to use draft resopurces for. I realloy like that thgey let the draft ocem to them and had a plan B for if they cod not get back into the 1st rd. And again I do not think they are done. Also, I think many are sleeping on Colemans abilities. As @redskinss said, for the 2023 draft Coleman was consided one of the top tackles. He was moved to Guard not due to performance due to need by TCU since the rest of thier line was in shamables. He ended up back as Tackle. I guess what I am saying - and it's not just me, listen to Logan Paulson and many others - Coleman IS a top tier tackle, at least in thier opinion. And we do have some depth. It may be the depth you or other fans want, but clearly they have a plan. If this was the last group in the FO, I would be more with you. But this group is a different breed. These are lifetime football people that have had success that and were wanted across the league. Adam Peters could have gone anywhere. Dan Quinn had more than one opportunity. Cliff K was all but signed by LV before spurning them for us. Just becasue we have had to watch significant incompetence for most of the last 20+ yrs does not mean this group is. Doesn't mean I am suggesting no one can be critical. Not what I am saying at all. I am saying that while at first glance it looks like they missed on improving the Oline like it needs, maybe that judgement is a bit premature, if not harsh. Just my observation after doing more looking around since the draft. I will admit, I did not know as much about his story before the draft as I should have. But after digging into him over the last week. I really like what I see and can understand why the team is so high on him.

Everyone needs to watch the Inside Scoop video. He was a the anchor at Left tackle in 2022. He was only moved inside due to major upheaval along the line afterthe very successful 2022 sewason. Lot's of guys signed to the NFL leaving holes. He was NOT moved there due to poor performance and in the end he was moved back to Tackle. People still saying the team didn ot address the Oline are really sleeping on this pick. Also, I was listening to Jim Miller and Pat Kerwin - who I really respect so if others feel differently feel free to stop reading 🙂 - Pat Kerwin was making the point that with a rookie QB you do NOT want a bunch of rookies on the Oline. You want veterans who have been there and can help the rookie out, even if they may not be Probowl players. Then the following season you bring in young guys to make upgrades. But that first season you really want seasoned veterans. There are of course no gaurantees. And maybe they could have drafted more big guys. But I think they are not done yet, waitnig for some later CAP or and camp casualties. I also look at where they picked and at each spot you look and say where is the Olineman that is better than who they picked. And before people say Mike S, that guy could end up being the best player from this draft. He is an absolute beast of a player, smart, athletic. His only issue is being slightly undersized. But I remember a MLB for us that was undersized who should be in the HOF in London Fletcher. I know it's different positions, but same concept. Time will tell but I am less concerned than I was the day they drafted him. I think he is going to surprise people.

I call this doing the right thing for the wrong reason. They have a point to be made but thier motivation comes from a self serving place not a sincere intent to help. But still, cannot ignore the valid point to be made. Agree you can't just throw endless monies at something. On the other hand you hate to miss a solution because you didn't want to spend a few more dollars.

So here is the Arizona draft. Despite the overall -109 plus minus, I am still very happy with this draft. I was able to trade down from 1 then back up to 9 and still get one of the top WRs in Malik Nabers. Some had Malik thier #1 and many more had them 1a (MHJ) and 1b. I do believe in the long run MHJ is slightly better, I also believe Malik Nabers and Chop Robinson are > MHJ. After Chop there was a pretty big drop off for edge except maybe Darious Robinson. Very happy to get Chop at a position of need. Arizona had all of 9.5 sacks for thier edge and that's 6 from Dennis Gardeck who is very inconsistent. This is a huge upgrade. Arizona thought the same as they took Darious Robinson in the 1st. Chop was already off the board. I think they reached with Darious but it is what it is. Jackson Power-Johnson is the best pure C in the draft and I had my 2 top priorities covered allready. He is a plug and play guy at C for a decade or more. The current starter is Hjalte Froholdt and he is only signed through 2024. He had 8 penalties and allowed 3 sacks from the C postion! This is his 3rd team. Then we got Mike Sainristil! Love this guy! Enough has been said in the draft thread but this guy could really become a special player for our team. I am very excited I got him for AZ and then the Commanders picked him. Arizona was in depsperate need of secondary help so I went DB again with Demerson. Arizona did too although they were able to get him later than I took him. The rest were mostly BPA for me - which shows how out of sync I am with the NFL LOL I was about a half to a full rd early with many picks. But I am OK with that. I do like Jordan Davis as a developmental QB. Yuck! The Jets liked him enough to trade upo for him as the long term Rodgers replacement..??? Season ending injury had him fall some. Still was never going to be a top prospect. Here is the right place for hm. But if he can learn from Aaron and keep healthy he might just surprise. Need to have some more depth. Need someone behind Desmond Ridder. He is aweful to be honest. He was with Atlanta last year. Saw a lot of him. Will Shipley would start as a KR, maybe also a PR or at least in the mix. His athletisism was an 85. Very athletic guy. Will need to work on translating his game to the NFL in terms of maintaining vision and being more calculated in his cuts. Is not a pound and ground guy though. Likely not a 3 down back but you never know. He has good hands and can run. The only player for either team not picked was Keaton Bills, who ironically was signed by the Buffalo Bills as a URFA 🙂 How appropriate! I got him for a ham sandwitch as the Chargers were tired of picking LOL We will see what happens to him. As compared to the real Cardinals: ES Draft - 2 WR, 3 Secondary, 3 IOL, 1 Edge, 1 QB and 1 RB NFl Cardinals: 2 WR, 4 Secondary, 1 IOL, 1 OT, 2 Edge, 1 RB Pretty close in terms of positons. iAs always everyone, this was so much fun!! Thanks for everyone who particpated! Great group as always!!

I think what's clear is they didn't have the same grade on Cooper as others. I know a lot of people liked him but it's clear this regime does thier due dilligence and they didn't value him as much. It may have been a cultural fit. AP has a clear vision of the type of players he wants and while we may see Copper as fitting that profile he and the rest did not so they were not only willing to pass on him but willing to make a trade with a division rival to let them have him. Clearly they could be wrong. But I am willing to give them the benifit of the doubt. There is a long list of man crushes from fans that turned out to have something wrong with them we did not know.

A little confused here. In one spot you say we are a disaster at virtually every position and then say we should have used this years picks to get more next year picks. As I watched the draft unfold for us, it was clear they have a board and they stuck to it. They let the draft come to them and didn't force it based on needs. They clearly have a plan at Tackle. They are not stupid (not accusing you of calling them stupid, just making a point). They know they need Oline. It was clear they wanted to jump back into the 1st but since they didn't we have to assume the price was too high. Good, you can't panic. I am most impressed with that. Past regimes have panicked, either self induced or because snyder was breathing down thier necks with really bad instructions. I like this draft overall. Yes, would liked a get really good fat guy on day 1 or early day 2 but they got very good talent with the guys they picked. High quality charecter also. I expect they will sign a FA tackle or two for camp., Could still be some CAP decisions to be made by other teams. Never know. They will not be the long term solution but can be a good bridge to next years draft.

@Whiskeypeet - I belive the Micheal Penix pick was jsut horrible. Here is why: You just signed Kirk Cousins who you have to keep at least 2 if not 3 years due to the $100M gaurantee. Penix then has to sit (barring injury of course) for at least 2 yrs if not 3 yrs. Either way you have very little time to decide if he is the guy and to exercise the 5th yr option. You are likely doing that as a hope not with the kind of confidence you should In the meantime, you used the best resource you had at QB of the future maybe, when you needed to provide your team with immediate help either at Edge (my thoughts) or even a WR. Any DLine would be good since they are switching form a 4-3 to 3-4. Thier front 7 was bad last year and they had a great chance ot make it better - Take Dallas Turner or Jared Verse or trade down and stockpile picks. You could do that and still likely get Penix later in the 1st rd. #8 was way too early and not the best use of that high a draft pick. Maybe, just maybe he turns out to be a great franchise QB. But he already has an injury history, and will be at least 26 if not 27 when he gets the starting job. If they thought yhey were going QB in the 1st rd then don't sign Kirk COusins at all. And if you want him to sit, get Jacoby Brissett or another decent back-up as a bridge to Penix. Then you are putting yourslef in CAP hell. relaly bad decision I believe. Relaly just no excuse.

Ok, the Atlanta pick of Penix really belongs on Around the NFL - This is probably os good as any of the threads. I will repond @Whiskeypeet and others in that thread. Please follow me there.

Here is Atlanta: Total delta of 27. Not much difference overall but huge swings player to player. Roman Wilson dropped 41 spots while Kris Abrams-Draine dropped a huge 71 spots. However, I got Caedann Wallace 75 later and Layden Robinson 84 spots later. Overall not too bad. Positions taken (good idea @Epochalypse) Me - 2 WRs, 2 DL, 1 Edge, 1 CB, 2 WRs, 2 interior OL NFL - 3 DL, 1 Edge, 1 LB, 1RB, 1 QB (stupid pick! Sorry but that was just dumb!) - Not sure why they didnt get any WRs for Kirk. After Drake London and Kyle Pitts there is not much there. I know they signed a few guys. But none of them have more than 400 yds ever in their career. I think Roman WIlson can be very good. Be that really solid #2 getting London open more. And they needed help in the secondary. Makes sense them going front 7 heavy, but 4 of 7? I took 3 of 8 and thought that was alot. The Penix pick and 4 front 7 players overall meant they had no resources to get anything else. And RB? Last thing they really needed was a RB unless he is expected to be P/K returner, which is possible. Then they traded 79 and 43 to get to 35 and take Ruke who I took at 79. Not a great draft for them. I of course like mine better - LOL But I am sure I am wrong... 🙂

I had all but one guy drafted - Keaton Bills @253. Not sweating that one. I also picked one player the team did for each team. . NFL Atlanta Falcons and I both both took Ruke Orhorhoro - Clemson DT - I got him at rd 3 overall Pick 79, They took him rd 2 overall 35. I feel real good about that one. NFL Arizona Cardinals and I both selected Dadrion Taylor-Demerson Texas Tech DB. I took him at rd 3 overall 66, They got him at rd 4 overall 104. I took him quite a bit earlier but still we both took the same player. I will be checking the differences but at first glance I feel good about both teams drafts. Atlanta taking Penix at #8 was a mess. But I still think I did the better thing in taking Dallas Turner. I guess time will tell.

Close but not exact. There were a couple of close ones but I was looking for exact matches. Great pick though. You didn't have to trade up to get your guy .I think they probably did it to get the 5th yr option.

Not sure if anyone else is tracking all picks - These are based on the end of the 6th rd. In the 6th rd, the NFL picked about 50% players that were not selected in our draft. That is the most I can remember this early. There is still one 2nd rd pick left - Beau Brade Buffalo Bills - sorry @mcterry Hopefully he goes soon. There are still 6 4th rd picks - no 3rd left though Exact Selctions made - This is the exact player i nthe same spot in th draft only There were many picks of same players but different spots like Minn getting JJ McCarthy at #4 in our draft vs #10 in the NFl draft : Bears picked Caleb WIlliams with #1 pick - no kudos for this one, sorry, That's more a Duh! 🙂 The only other one I could find was in the 5th rd at overall pick #169 both the NFL and ES Mock Green Bay Packers selcted Kitan Oladapo DB out of Oregon State - That is very well done! To nail a player this late in th draft at the exact draft position is very rare. Well done @PokerPacker!! If I missed one my spologies. Please post it.

That will teach you to pay any attention to anyone here!! LOL

Probably both. Good move for them. But good for Buffalo too. Interesting draft for sure.

Ok, then why take Cousins at all? And at that salary? Why not just know you are drafting for the future and keep all that CAP? Get Kirk some help like Rome O or the defense which sorely needs help - That's why I drafted Dallas Turner for them. Also Penix is not young. And with him sitting at least 2 yrs, he will be 26 or if 3 27 befroe he becomes a starter. And they will have two maybe only one yr to see if they want to take his 5th yr option then they go right back to t paying big money for a QB. Again, why not forget about Kirk, draft Penix then use the exta CAP to build a team then be able to sign him when it's time. Sorry, this just makes no sense to me at all.