I think we’re both speaking to general things we hear from people we disagree with and applying it to each other. I think that’s muddying the waters here. But to address a few of these.
Yes, that’s the nonsense I’m talking about. It’s referenced and applied often. I felt like you were implying it. Sorry.
I brought up self defense stats because it’s the closest thing we have to what we are talking about. A good guy with a gun intervening in a situation (not all self defense gun situations are where the person with the gun was the victim. Sometimes it’s a 3rd party and the person with the gun intervenes. It still falls under self defense legally. In my state this is legal. The ‘self’ in self defense is a bit misleading.). I realize it’s not a perfect comparison. It’s just the closest we have and I don’t think it’s far off. I think it has merit.
Ive never been a “go find the shooter” proponent. I’ve always been a “protect the classroom” person. always as in - since it recently became a thing. I don’t think that requires every teacher have a gun. But it does require every teacher have the option to do what’s required to have one.
I want to explain my current mindset so that you understand I’m not just some nut repeating nra rhetoric (even if some of the ideas are the same...)
- we have far too many guns in society and lost control too long ago
- we don’t have a scotus or political leadership to do anything about the guns in society
- to reiterate, the genie is out of the bottle
- we don’t appear to have the political leadership or scotus in place to *stop the the guns in society problem from getting *worse**
- because of all that, a reasonable and doable option is to have good people take on the responsibility of carrying a gun and acting if something tragic takes place
- that is an incredible responsibility I would never demand if anyone, **but** I wish my fellow citizens would be more respectful of those willing to do it
you all want increased gun control. I get it. I actually agree with many of you on many things. I’d be cool with banning and confiscating **all** semiautomatic weapons. Including handguns. I refuse to give the nra money. I am not one of the ones standing in your way.
when end I hear/read the pro-control people talking about playing Rambo, citing the concern of a good guy being shot by the cops, prentending intervention by citizens is pointless, etc... then in the same thought telling us how we need more gun control...
it comes across is completely disrespectful of the people who have already thought of this and chosen to accept the responsibilities. It comes across as a complete disrespect of their intentions. It’s a complete lack of knowledge about the situations we know about. And a complete naïveté of the current political landscape.
At some point you have to quit waiting for the political aperstus to chance. You have to work with what you got. Even if what you got sucks.