Renegade7

I get the position of wondering the calculus of cost vs benefits in this decision. End of the day it's the right one. So much of the world looks at us as enabling Israel, that includes several Jews and Palestinians in our country that can or cannot vote. Jus have to ask what matters more here: "why we did it" or "that we did it". Maybe I'm biased here, but i do believe history will remember that we drew this line more then why we finally did. Hopefully it saves lives, that's a more important why then votes...but that's jus my opinion.

Agreed, that's my understanding as well, even from limited experience where I'm at. State and local level may f it up trying to do too much, anyone can correct me but this was my takeaway from the Trayvon Martin murder trial. Feds typically don't play that ****. That's why what @Destino pointed out that everyone knew the delay plan going into this is so frustrating to watch work in real time. The only way to dodge this many raindrops is to delay these trials until after the election, get elected, then get rid of the thundercloud over his head all together. Having said that, back to your point what gives me hope is if Biden wins this November Trump can't delay all these trials forever. Hurry up and wait, make sure you vote.

Read the article as well and caught this: Why is the criminal justice systems problem that someone is getting indicted in multiple jurisdictions simultaneously? We have a military that's supposed to be able to fight two fronts at minimum same time but we can't handle two criminal trials at the same time? Why does it need to be "fair" if he's being accused of breaking laws left and right? Not that article is saying this, but why should we care about running over his right to due process when he's trying to delay all these trials as much as possible? Of course they are going to run into the back of each other and overlap.

Go home LeBron...

Watch either show and you'll see what I mean...

You need to stop jinxin ****....

The Unexplained with William Shattner is actually really good. History Channel show, but in Nerflix now. I look at it same way I did Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman...they wouldn't put they name on it if it was some bs.

Everyone knows that, though, so its less funny : )

They already have it in the South...Yallqaeda jus don't call it that...

Damn...ok, OKC...

Finally, some good news. U.S. paused shipments of thousands of bombs to Israel amid Rafah rift https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/05/07/biden-delays-weapons-israel-rafah/

Seriously. Learn some stuff that sounds terribly familiar when trying to compare White House response to Spanish Flu. But I'm not sure they kept jobs reports back then to compare. I'm not sure this is the hill to die on when Trump has so many more holes to pick from then swiss cheese.

So it's right to do that all the time? Or whenever one feels like it? Can justify it? That's one opinion, certainly another to when it's appropriate or not.

Belay their concerns by doing something they asked Israel not to do? I do get the difference, you don't do something someone asks you not to do thrn do it anyway and claim they did it to help them out. I see...way I took this post was Egypt and Hamas changed the deal that was being worked out with Israel: My takeaway was only that Hamas agreed to what was being sent over the fence after working with Egypt and Jordan...that's what they announced and Israel instead took the Gaza side of border crossing even after Egypt asked them not. That was my concern from get-go. Your post from State Department makes sense, Egypt sounded desperate to get something out in hopes of slowing this down and failed. I unfortunately have to take our governments public statements on this matter with grain of salt given they admittedly are using more stern and strong language in private with Israel. So forgive me for being skeptical when they insist no one agreed to anything, even if it's true. Something we agree on, even if it's bad.

Sure. If that's not what you meant, I don't get the double down with the article you posted from February like two posts later. Got it, noted. Bet, acknowledging that wasn't true is cool. Border was closed two days ago. Will Israel facilitate reopening it to allow aid to go through now that they have control of the Gaza side? I'm not holding my breath. But this is one of those situations I actually want to be wrong.

All the blame? No, I pointed out Isreal pissed off Egypt, written statement from their Egypt's own government. You insisted they weren't really pissed off. Opinion. You've already made up your mind and said clearly you want Israel to finish off Hamas by invading Rafar while nearly entire world is saying "hold on a second". I have to look at all of your responses through that prism when you're right and when you're wrong. You never gave a source anyone changed the deal at last minute. Your jus insisting it was deal Israel would never agree to ao they are absolved from their actions until they get what they want. Sure. Logging off.

It's the Washington Post, New York Times reported the same thing. Why do you insist on being right when I insist it's too late to matter anymore? There won't be a ceasefire, Hamas wants a break, Israel wants a break. The point of the ceasefire from countries like us or Egypt don't matter anymore. Are you happy?

Conflicting information at best from multiple parties here and overseas, like I said, it doesn't matter anymore, it's too late. Thats a pretty definitive statement given US wasn't involved with direct negotiations anyway.

That's a tweet compared to multiple articles including one I posted showed they did on condition it was a permanent ceasefire. That's what Egypt and Jordan tried to throw over the fence to Israel and they said no because they wanted only a temporary ceasefire. This is verified by multiple sources, some of which I've posted today here in this thread. Don't tag me to double-down on points that don't matter anymore, Isreal has rhe border crossing now, multiple peoples concerns with respect to stopping that are now moot.

Easy of they don't know...be shocked if that makes Fox News today... Edit: exhibit A - https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/may-7-trump-trial-new-york-gag-order

Melania probably gets more money when he dies if they're still married, only thing I can think of putting up with this **** enough to not go straight to a divorce lawyer and jus take half his **** right now. Them not sleeping in same room since 2006 doesn't shock me at all. It's probably true if Trump is jus shaking his head.

It's clear Egypt put a lot of work into working out something to keep Israel from taking control of the Philadelphia corridor. That's why they're angry Israel blew off the deal and took anyway...from Egypt's perspective what they put out there doesn't matter because what they tried to prevent has now happened anyway. You want to say "shat on the deal proposal" instead, fine by me. Egypt, like many other countries, is trying to save Rafah from total invasion and destruction. It's clear Israel has no interests in pulling off on that and even has us scrambling because we hoped for at least a temporary ceasefire (saw we woke up suprised this morning). And now, this: IDF takes control of Rafah border crossing; aid flow halted, official says https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/07/israel-hamas-war-rafah-news-gaza-palestine/

Israel doesn't want a ceasefire that gives Hamas a chance at not being fully eliminated...they've said this, but deductive reasoning is that's temporary at best and there's really no stopping them from eventually going into Rafah to "finish the job". Where are you reading it was changed at the last minute? Everything I'm seeing is Israel wouldn't agree because Hamas wanted it to permanent and Israel wanted temporary. The core of it was to give up remaining hostages and deal with war dead on both sides that was impeded by lack of a even a temporary ceasefire.