Mr. S Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 There is definitely a difference between a student who scores more than 1500 on the SAT's and somone who scores 1000. However, the SAT is known as a test to see how well you test. I took Kaplan, the whole course was set around strategies to get you through the SAT. The math does end at geometry, but taking Algebra II certainly helped me remember some of those algebra problems. However, I am against the SATs overall. I know people who got 1300's, yet I dont really see them as equals to me educational wise, and I know that sounds ****y, but I know a lot of people who did better than I did, but I do not think they are any smarter than I am. I think they have finally implemented their new form of SAT though, with the writing section. Oh, and in high school, 3 years ago I guess, all my APs were paid for as well, I think that has changed now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 I think we do agree. But your last analogy is puzzling. Didnt you just use SATs as merit along with region? What if the kid at McLean lives in a rental house with 25 people, eats rice 7 days a week and has to share pencils with 11 other kids. And the kid at Dunbar is the child of a Diplomat whose parents want to broaden horizons so they dont go the private school route. But at home has tutors, books and a nurtuirng environment? My point is, we cant blame others for judging books by covers when we do the same sometimes. You are correct. There is no easy solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heidenreich Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 My bad, I clicked on this thinking it was about college "broads" That would be a good subject IMO. I didn't do good on my SAT verbal, by the way..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TODD Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by Liberty Let's say 1000-1330 I'd say closer to 1000-1310... :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by Mr. S I think they have finally implemented their new form of SAT though, with the writing section. They have, my cousin is a junior in high school in Indiana and she said it was a terrible test. There was apparently an article in the Indianapolis paper about how subjective the grading is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
du7st Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Time to rant... I don't have much of a problem with the SAT and I think those who do are looking at it incorrectly. The SAT is not testing how intelligent you are or how successful you will be in life. All it tests is whether you are prepared for college. As stupid as it sounds, if you are good at multiple choice tests it really is all you need to get by in college. There are lots of classes where the material is almost irrelevant - just be good at spotting correct answers by using generalized logic. If you have to actually do real work like write an essay, most profs just skim them and stamp an A- on it. I just had two college exams that were all multiple choice and each took me 10 min to complete. Ohh and don't tell me grad school is much tougher than undergrad - one of those 10 minute finals is actually for a grad level class. So really the SAT works fine for college admissions based on what passes for college classes these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 I had exactly 1 multiple guess test my entire 4 (okay 4 and a half) years in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
du7st Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Kilmer just curious - what school/major? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Mary Washington College. Poly Sci Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by du7st Time to rant... I don't have much of a problem with the SAT and I think those who do are looking at it incorrectly. The SAT is not testing how intelligent you are or how successful you will be in life. All it tests is whether you are prepared for college. As stupid as it sounds, if you are good at multiple choice tests it really is all you need to get by in college. There are lots of classes where the material is almost irrelevant - just be good at spotting correct answers by using generalized logic. If you have to actually do real work like write an essay, most profs just skim them and stamp an A- on it. I just had two college exams that were all multiple choice and each took me 10 min to complete. Ohh and don't tell me grad school is much tougher than undergrad - one of those 10 minute finals is actually for a grad level class. So really the SAT works fine for college admissions based on what passes for college classes these days. That's all well and good, but that's not the stated aim of the SATs. As aptitude tests they're a failure. Your point about multiple choice tests varies widely between disciplines, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
du7st Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 What is the stated aim then? And yes, not all courses of study will be mostly multiple choice exams. However, a wide variety of areas such as computers, sciences, history, economics, management etc will have their fair share of multi exam classes. You can be a successful triple major in college and barely do more than take multiple choice exams and write an occasional paper. That is all I was trying to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by du7st What is the stated aim then? And yes, not all courses of study will be mostly multiple choice exams. However, a wide variety of areas such as computers, sciences, history, economics, management etc will have their fair share of multi exam classes. You can be a successful triple major in college and barely do more than take multiple choice exams and write an occasional paper. That is all I was trying to say. Like I said, they're aptitude tests. Scholastic Aptitude Tests. They're supposed to measure your innate intelligence and ability to learn, but how is a test really supposed to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by Mr. S There is definitely a difference between a student who scores more than 1500 on the SAT's and somone who scores 1000. However, the SAT is known as a test to see how well you test. I took Kaplan, the whole course was set around strategies to get you through the SAT. The math does end at geometry, but taking Algebra II certainly helped me remember some of those algebra problems. However, I am against the SATs overall. I know people who got 1300's, yet I dont really see them as equals to me educational wise, and I know that sounds ****y, but I know a lot of people who did better than I did, but I do not think they are any smarter than I am. I think they have finally implemented their new form of SAT though, with the writing section. Oh, and in high school, 3 years ago I guess, all my APs were paid for as well, I think that has changed now though. I know what you mean. I know a kid who got 1600 and he is a young earth creationist (he refuses to admit that the universe was not created in literally 6 days). So much for the reasoning part, heh. [not to say creationists are not as smart, well ok maybe a little bit, sorry] I got my AP Gov and AP comparative Gov tests tomorrow, I guess I better go study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by Kilmer17 I had exactly 1 multiple guess test my entire 4 (okay 4 and a half) years in college. I never had one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TODD Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by Liberty I know what you mean. I know a kid who got 1600 and he is a young earth creationist (he refuses to admit that the universe was not created in literally 6 days). So much for the reasoning part, heh. [not to say creationists are not as smart, well ok maybe a little bit, sorry] I got my AP Gov and AP comparative Gov tests tomorrow, I guess I better go study. I wish my school offered Comparative Gov, but we only have US Gov. I'm feeling good about the US except for damn campaign finance reform. It's frustrating that we have to memorize 1974 and 2002's finite details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by TODD I wish my school offered Comparative Gov, but we only have US Gov. I'm feeling good about the US except for damn campaign finance reform. It's frustrating that we have to memorize 1974 and 2002's finite details. My school doesn't offer it as a class, it came free with the US Gov test so I decided to take it. I have a review packet and hopefully I can get a 4 even though I have never taken the class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted May 10, 2005 Share Posted May 10, 2005 Originally posted by TODD I wish my school offered Comparative Gov, but we only have US Gov. I'm feeling good about the US except for damn campaign finance reform. It's frustrating that we have to memorize 1974 and 2002's finite details. Unless somethin drastic has changed I wouldn't worry about it too much. I found the test to be quite easy and I got a 5. Maybe I was just lucky and it was an easy test my year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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