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Dah-Dee

Dah-Dee

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Originally posted by Fatty P For The Pulitzer

I can't tell who that is, it's a white guy...

*Edit: I guess it's Ratzinger.

No, that was the oldest cardinal (Estevez?); the oldest of them traditionally announces the election of a new pope.

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jenmdixon

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Originally posted by Sarge

Maybe it's Micheal Jackson.

How's the joke go?

What did Micheal Jackson say to the Catholic priest?

I saw him first!

That was probably wrong, wasn't it?:laugh:

Yes. If you can't show some respect, then please refrain from posting in this thread. Some people on this board consider this to be a very important event.

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He's on wp.com now - live stream here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/vaticancam.htm

From cnn's main page:

Germany's Ratzinger is new pope

Joseph Ratzinger of Germany has been elected the 265th pontiff today by the College of Cardinals. He was announced as tens of thousands of people gathered in St. Peter's Square. He has chosen the name Benedict XVI, the Vatican announced. The announcement came shortly after white smoke rose from the Vatican chimney and bells rang to announce that a new pope had been selected.

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ntotoro

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Originally posted by Fatty P For The Pulitzer

Yeah, but he does look a lot younger than the first guy.

You know what's weird? I always thought JPII was an old 84. My Grandmother is going to be 93 this year and is in great health. JPII fought a lot of physical ailments, not to mention a murder attempt, so was probably older than his years.

Nick

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Dah-Dee

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Originally posted by EvoSkins

What were the odds of Joe becoming pope?

An article on CNN showed he was the bookmaking favorite:

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Bookmakers lay odds on new pope

But favorites often fail in papal succession

By Tammy Oaks for CNN

Tuesday, April 19, 2005 Posted: 7:50 AM EDT (1150 GMT)

VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- With the College of Cardinals preparing to enter the conclave and cast the first votes for the new pontiff, bookmakers around the world are laying odds on who will emerge the 265th pope.

Betting firms and local media are backing Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger of Germany, who gave John Paul's funeral oration, but history advises punters to beware of favored candidates.

At lunchtime Tuesday after three ballots to pick the next pontiff, Ratzinger remained favorite on two out of the three online betting boards, with Intertops giving him the shortest odds at 5/2.

Ratzinger was a 11/2 second favorite for Dublin, Ireland-based Paddy Power and 9/2 favorite at Britain's William Hill. Nigeria's Francis Arinze led with Paddy Power on 7/2.

French cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger was third for Paddy Power (6/1) and also for William Hill (11/2) who put Arize second at 5/1.

Making up the top six in all three lists were 78-year-old Italian Carlo Maria Martini; his successor as the archbishop of Milan, Dionigi Tettamanzi and Claudio Hummes of Brazil.

For those favoring long odds, Paddy Power was offering 125-1 odds on 13 different cardinals.

But papal conclaves have a long history of not electing the candidates deemed most likely to win by the media.

According to George Weigel of the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, DC, "The chances of being elected pope decreases in proportion to the number of times he is described papabile in the press."

This trend, which Weigel coined The Pignedoli Principle, is named after Cardinal Sergio Pignedoli, the papal candidate most widely favored by the media to win in 1978.

Following media predictions, Pignedoli prepared for victory by going on a crash diet so that he could fit into his cassock.

However, in a surprise turn of events, Albino Luciani, who was never mentioned as a possible candidate prior to the conclave, emerged the victor and became Pope John Paul I.

Even the recently deceased Pope John Paul II was not considered a viable candidate by the media when his predecessor died after only 33 days as pope.

The public was shocked to learn that Karol Jozef Wojtyla, the first non-Italian to be elected Holy Father in over 400 years, had received more votes than Cardinals Giuseppe Siri or Giovanni Benelli, the two candidates most strongly favored to succeed Pope John Paul I.

Weigel claims that with the exception of Pope Pius XII in 1939 and Pope Paul VI in 1963, "everyone else was a surprise, at least as measured by public speculation prior to the conclave."

By this standard, the very fact that Ratzinger's name has saturated the Italian media makes him a risky contender on which to place a wager.

While keeping an eye on more unlikely candidates is an important consideration, bettors will also want to keep another trend in mind before hitting the bookmakers.

Different?

According to Rev. Richard P. McBrien, theology professor at the University of Notre Dame, the pattern of conclaves over the last century and a half dictates that "the next pope will be succeeded by someone very different from himself."

This trend, however, is widely disputed. Because Pope John Paul II's reign was the second longest in history, which subsequently led to him naming all but two of the cardinal electors, there is speculation that the next pope will be like-minded, like Ratzinger.

McBrien, however, points out that Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius XII and Paul VI were all succeeded by cardinals who were in stark contrast to them in terms of personality and mind-set.

And, like Pope John Paul II, each of these popes reigned for more than 15 years respectively and named the majority of cardinal electors.

Pius IX, a conservative, was succeeded by the moderate Leo XIII. And Leo XIII was in turn succeeded by the conservative Pius X. An austere and aloof Pius XII was succeeded by a jovial and affectionate John XXIII, who in turn was succeeded by a happy and contemporary Paul VI.

Unfortunately for Ratzinger, dean of the cardinals, it is precisely his bond with and similarities to John Paul II that makes him the frontrunner for the papal throne.

Before wagering on papal predictions, where being a favorite is a handicap, bettors may want to take heed of this old Italian saying: "Go in a pope, come out a cardinal."

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Link: http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/04/18/pope.betting/

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Fatty P For The Pulitzer

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You know what's weird? I always thought JPII was an old 84. My Grandmother is going to be 93 this year and is in great health. JPII fought a lot of physical ailments, not to mention a murder attempt, so was probably older than his years.

Nick

Yeah, the last 8-10 years were really rough for him. When news started to break over the past 6 weeks or so when it appeared his time was nearing, I was surprised to hear he was only 84. Partly because he really aged the last few years, but also because he was elected so young. It appears the Cardinals did want someone who will have a shorter reign. Jen, do you know why that is?

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Dah-Dee

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More info on pope names:

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It seems that there's been no real single standard throughout history

for "pontifical onomastics" (e.g. the reasoning behind papal names.)

Motives have ranged from honoring those who have helped a new pope, to

recalling those who have helped the new popes' families, or even to

reinforcing "political interests".

This last motive can be seen most prominently during the Great Schism

when the Roman Pope-names recalled prior Roman names, and the Avignon

Popes chose the names of Popes partial to France.

In an article by Bernd-Ulrich Hergemöller for "The Papacy: An

Encyclopedia", we find the following regarding "recent" Popes:

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From the 16th century, the name chosen has invariably been inspired by

the principle of pietas: PAUL IV, GREGORY XIV, CLEMENT X, INNOCENT XI,

INNOCENT

XII, CLEMENT XII, CLEMENT XIII, BENEDICT XIV, CLEMENT XIV, PIUS VII,

PIUS VIII, and PIUS XII took the names of those predecessors who had

raised them to the cardinalate.

JULIUS III, PAUL V, and GREGORY XV chose the name of the pope who had

launched them on their curial CAREER.

CLEMENT VIII, LEO XI, INNOCENT X, ALEXANDER VII, and INNOCENT XIII

chose the name of the pope who had actively supported their family.

PAUL IV, PIUS V, SIXTUS V, and ALEXANDER VIII adopted the names of

those predecessors whose nephews had contributed to their election.

Taking a predecessor’s name not only was a way of giving symbolic

thanks but also implied the wish to be faithful to a spiritual

heritage. Hence the stereotypical, conservative character of

pontifical names in the modern era. Julius, Marcellus, and Sixtus were

chosen once; as for the others, the choice of names over the roughly

four centuries from the council of TRENT to VATICAN II boils down to

nine: Paul, Pius, Gregory, Urban, Innocent, Clement, Leo, Alexander,

and Benedict. In the 17th and 18th centuries, the name Clement takes

the lead, and then, until 1958, the name Pius.

John XXIII (A. Roncalli, 1958) was the first to take the name of a

medieval pope, thus symbolically emphasizing the end of the “papacy of

the Piuses.” His successor PAUL VI’s choice was a subjective one,

inspired primarily by a theological consideration. John Paul I was the

first pope in history to adopt a double name, but his choice still

obeyed the principle of respectful pietas toward his predecessors. The

pontifical name of JOHN PAUL II invokes the memory of his three

immediate predecessors.

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Link: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=357949

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