pr11fan Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 Stokely no, but Wayne is legit. Edge is still awesome, Brady has 2 rings with skill players like Troy Brown, Patten, Givens, & A. Smith at rb. Not quite what Manning has to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomerics Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Brady, not even close. If you took Brady and put him on the Colts, they wouldn't be 0-7 in Foxboro that's for sure. Brady is the man, he is the modern day Montana, Manning is the modern day Marino, all stats, all ego, no rings. Me, I like jewelry, I'll take the guy with the rings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 Btw Zeb, that signature is amazing. i love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyZeb Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by pr11fan Stokely no, but Wayne is legit. Edge is still awesome, Brady has 2 rings with skill players like Troy Brown, Patten, Givens, & A. Smith at rb. Not quite what Manning has to work with. Yes, but they won because of great coaching/defense, not Brady and his skill players. Manning gets well into the playoffs with no defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyZeb Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by pr11fan Btw Zeb, that signature is amazing. i love it. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schillis Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 quote: Originally posted by schillis How about the QB leading the best team in The NFC to the Super Bowl Donovan McNabb. I'll take him, if everything else breaks down he can pull it down and run. GO EAGLES! Victory is sweet No thanks, I'll take Brady with 2 rings over a guy who couldn't get to the sb until the nfc has 2 8-8 teams make the playoffs. I would still take McNabb, and this year he became the first QB to throw 30+ TD's and less than 10 interceptions. He also broke Joe Montana's record for consecutive completions. Anyway, there is no need in Philly for a dream of a great QB, we already have one. I like Ramsey, hopefully he works out for you guys. Being an Eagles fan, its hard for me to like any Deadskins, but If I had to pick one it would be Ramsey. Go Birds!!!:dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by CrazyZeb Yes, but they won because of great coaching/defense, not Brady and his skill players. Manning gets well into the playoffs with no defense. True but Brady hung 34 offensive points on the #1 statistical defense in the nfl yesterday so it's not like he got 10 and held on for a 10-7 victory against that Steeler D, I admit it was like that for his 1st sb win against the rams, but since Brady has emerged as one of the better passers in the league and is perfectly capable of leading a high scoring offense if need be imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schillis Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 I really meant the Dallas Sucks part, but the Go Skins that's another story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyZeb Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by pr11fan True but Brady hung 34 offensive points on the #1 statistical defense in the nfl yesterday so it's not like he got 10 and held on for a 10-7 victory against that Steeler D, I admit it was like that for his 1st sb win against the rams, but since Brady has emerged as one of the better passers in the league and is perfectly capable of leading a high scoring offense if need be imo. No doubt, Brady's definitely proven himself. I wouldn't be upset if he was our QB. I'd still take Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by pr11fan Brady has hung some pretty big points on some good defenses so it isn't all the defense carrying him like it was Dilfer in B-more. Manning has a damn good coaching staff around him, far better skill position players than Brady and he still can't get it done against the great defenses. Colts losses don't hang solely on the shoulders of Peyton Manning. If they had a better defense, one that could've ended some those long, sustaining drives the Pats had. The Colts could've had more time on the field to make something happen. Furthermore, Belicheck and co. outcoach Dungy and co. nearly everytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuff Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by skinsfan080 Manning is the better Pure Quarterback.... but Tom Brady wins, Plain and Simple. I go w/ Brady. Heh. I hear this statement a lot, and it sounds so contradicting. :eaglesuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by Gamebreaker Colts losses don't hang solely on the shoulders of Peyton Manning. If they had a better defense, one that could've ended some those long, sustaining drives the Pats had. The Colts could've had more time on the field to make something happen. Furthermore, Belicheck and co. outcoach Dungy and co. nearly everytime. I won't argue the coaching part, but Manning put up 3 against the Pats in the playoffs, there is no defense on earth that could've saved him that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyZeb Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by pr11fan I won't argue the coaching part, but Manning put up 3 against the Pats in the playoffs, there is no defense on earth that could've saved him that day. Yeah, and who held him to 3? The Patriots great defense! :laugh: Basically, this debate just goes in circles, there's no real way of telling who would do better where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamebreaker Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by pr11fan True but Brady hung 34 offensive points on the #1 statistical defense in the nfl yesterday so it's not like he got 10 and held on for a 10-7 victory against that Steeler D, I admit it was like that for his 1st sb win against the rams, but since Brady has emerged as one of the better passers in the league and is perfectly capable of leading a high scoring offense if need be imo. Brady was feeling no defensive pressure, and Cowher and co. were simply outcoached from start to finish. I'm not trying to diminish what Brady did, but let's not act like Brady did that all by himself. He hasn't had the odds stacked aganist him as Manning has, nor does he make the type of adjustments and call his own plays the way Manning does. Manning is just the better quarterback, Brady has the better team. The two shouldn't be confused. Everyone keeps bring up Brady's rings. Is he a better QB than Marino, since he has more rings than him too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERIC THE REDskinsfan Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Can't believe I'm saying it considering the numbers Culpepper and Manning put up, but W's is the bottom line. Brady gets 'em so Brady gets my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by Mackydootz Can't believe I'm saying it considering the numbers Culpepper and Manning put up, but W's is the bottom line. Brady gets 'em so Brady gets my vote. Number mean exactly Jacksquat in my book. Some guys put up numbers, other guys win. We ought to know more about that than most, we always seem to have guys put up good numbers but it never seems to equate to wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedDawg36 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by jrfriedm Brady just wins, but Manning is by far the better passer. You CLEARLY don't watch Tom Brady play. He throws a better deep ball, is just as accurate, just as good touch, just as strong. Everything else Brady is BETTER at. Mobility, pocket presence, intangibles, ability to deal with pressure, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triple6mafia Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 brady wins, but he also has billichek and his amazing defense. peyton is the best qb in the league, but his contract is enormous and maybe that's why they can't have a good defense. i'll go with brady becuase he is a proven winner even in college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsarethebest Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Brady would be my choice -- he's the closest thing there is to a Montana-type qb in the current era -- CLUTCH player who finds a way to always hit the right play at the right time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEvilGeniuz Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 peyton all the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Peyton Manning. Brady is on a better team. Manning doesn't get any help especially from his Defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Brady wins because of his coaches if he is so good would he win if he played for the Colts?? No he wouldn't. It's like Phil Jackson if he is the greatest coach then go win a Championship with the worst team. When you have the best players it's a lot easier to win. Brady is nice but he gets too much credit for that great defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted January 24, 2005 Share Posted January 24, 2005 Tom Brady doesn't choke in the Big Game. Manning does. End of story. Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pr11fan Posted January 24, 2005 Author Share Posted January 24, 2005 Originally posted by Jay Master Jay Brady wins because of his coaches if he is so good would he win if he played for the Colts?? No he wouldn't. It's like Phil Jackson if he is the greatest coach then go win a Championship with the worst team. When you have the best players it's a lot easier to win. Brady is nice but he gets too much credit for that great defense. But again, my intial question wasn't who is a better qb, granted it has gone that way I should've known it would, but it's who do you start a franchise with taking into account all factors, contracts are a factor, you have more money free to build up other areas of your team with Brady than you do with Manning, maybe Brady is or isn't a product of the system but he is affordable enough to be able afford the rest of the players to make that system work, with Manning that probably isn't possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I think this sez it all From Page 2.... January 24, 2004 so here's an e-mail from Brendon in Dover, NH. In your Championship Game preview column, you gave the award for strangest game plan to the Colts, criticizing Manning for not throwing deep or changing their game plan. I think you're missing something. It's not that the Manning didn't want to go deep, it's that he can't. I think the problem with Manning is that he just CAN'T do the wrong thing. He CAN'T throw deep to a covered guy when there's a shorter pattern open. He CAN'T make the "wrong"" throw, even if it's potentially more beneficial. He's spent years becoming the perfect quarterback, to the point where he's incapable of deviating from the script. He just can't think outside the box. I've been trying to think of a good analogy for this, and the best I can come up with is this: You know all those sci-fi books/TV shows/movies where a human outsmarts the computer by doing something completely irrational that doesn't make any sense to the computer and causes it to freeze up? Manning's the computer. It's like something out of a Kurt Vonnegut novel. When he drops back, and see's a fullback uncovered in the flat, all he sees is an open receiver. He can't make the leap and see that throwing to the open reciever is what they want you to do, cause it's going to come up short of the first down. He can't see the bigger picture. He has to make the "right" throw in the context of every given play, regardless of wether it's the right throw in the greater sceme of things. He can't comprehend that sometimes a 10% chance at a 50 yard gain is occasionally better than a 100% chance at a 5 yard gain. That's why the Colts will never beat the Pats. Because Belichick is willing to sacrifice the proverbial pawn to set up checkmate down the road. He'll keep things in the tank against a bad team, even at the risk of losing, so he'll still have that brilliant move for the important game. The Colts can't do that. Their inability to occasionally do the incorrect thing is their achilles heel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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