NBC News: Huge Cache Of Explosives Vanished From Site In Iraq At Least 18 Months Ago

[SnyderShrugged]

Originally posted by Son of Sniglet

and you kept saying NBC when I said Fox.

Learn to Read

Is this to me? I know you referenced Fox as not having an article. I was stating that NBC (a normally Left leaning entity) broke that the Time's story was a sham. Maybe you should learn to read as well?

Not trying to bicker here, but you frustrate me when you refuse to take off the ketsup colored glasses, even for a moment.

I'll get over it, but you still havnt even acknowledged that the Time's story was all BS.

[SnyderShrugged]

I thought so.

[@DCGoldPants]

Jesus, take a pill.

Ok, the Times blew it.

seems that nothing is confirmed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics/campaign/26campaign.html?hp&ex=1098849600&en=1041c35ee6aa5150&ei=5094&partner=homepage

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

just, that they are gone.

[SnyderShrugged]

Originally posted by Son of Sniglet

Jesus, take a pill.

Ok, the Times blew it.

seems that nothing is confirmed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/26/politics/campaign/26campaign.html?hp&ex=1098849600&en=1041c35ee6aa5150&ei=5094&partner=homepage

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

just, that they are gone.

Now that's better, isnt it?

It always feels good to unload the soul when you are wrong.

Too bad you had to hedge it with "seems that nothing is confirmed", but nice try overall.

I give you kudos for having the courage that some others didnt though. I recall some from yesterday grabbing onto this story just as Kerry did yesterday. Also just like Kerry, no apologies and will simply ignore it until the scenario goes away.

[@DCGoldPants]

now, only if the President could do the same.

[SnyderShrugged]

Originally posted by Son of Sniglet

now, only if the President could do the same.

Sorry, but you just reversed your trend.

THE PRESIDENT DIDNT LOSE THE EXPLOSIVES!

That's the last response you will get from me today. You are so ensconced in your ABB ways that you will never see the truth.

[visionary]

Some quotes by John Kerry, from the other thread.

"Kerry: Missing explosives show Bush's 'incompetence'"

"He said the "incredible incompetence of this president and this administration has put our troops at risk and put this country at greater risk than we ought to be. ... The unbelievable blindness, stubbornness, arrogance of this administration to do the basics has now allowed this president to once again fail the test of being the commander in chief.""

"This is one of the great blunders of Iraq and one of the great blunders of this administration."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS...ives/index.html

[NavyDave]

The seals were actually back in 2002.

Kerry was also dissing the military with his comments and the US was slowed by France and Germany stalling since they had to keep collecting their cut of the oil for food money which gave the Iraqi insurgents the months they needed to snag the explosives.

Now the questions should be if the explosives were there and are missing 18 months ago why isn't there also concern about that WMDs that were there and now missing when we arrived?

With additional stalling by le french I guess those tractor trailers heading out of Iraq and into Syria and various places were just part of a grateful dead tour?

Guess that 60 minutes and NY times Halloween surprise turned out to be a trick on them.

Liberals just keep stepping in it and the media should just be honest and admit they are liberals once and for all

[Thiebear]

Originally posted by Son of Sniglet

I feel that there are more terrorists now in the world than there were on 9/11

No, I don't feel any more or less safe.

Should cut back on all the feelings and do something then!

[jbooma]

curious if how much of the explosives we got back in all the raids we had, this is such a non-story

[visionary]

I wonder if there is any chance that what was in those containers was not just normal explosives...kind of odd that out of all the places, that one had stuff disapear so fast. Perhaps even as the invasion was ongoing...

[SnyderShrugged]

It gets better, I really hope Kerry has the ba!!s to run this ad, even after today's news.

XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX TUE OCT 26, 2004 13:04:28 ET XXXXX

KERRY/EDWARDS CAMPAIGN PREPARING CAMPAIGN AD ON MISSING EXPLOSIVES

**Exclusive**

:30 spot called "obligation"

JOHN KERRY: "The obligation of a Commander in Chief is to keep our country safe. In Iraq, George Bush has overextended our troops..."

JOHN KERRY: "...and now failed to secure 380 tons of deadly explosives."

JOHN KERRY: "The kind used for attacks in Iraq, and for terrorist bombings."

JOHN KERRY: "His Iraq misjudgments put our soldiers at risk, and make our country less secure. And all he offers is more of the same. As President, I'll bring a fresh start to protect our troops and our nation. I'm John Kerry and I approved this message.

Developing...

[SEF]

Originally posted by skin-n-vegas

Is this to me? I know you referenced Fox as not having an article. I was stating that NBC (a normally Left leaning entity) broke that the Time's story was a sham. Maybe you should learn to read as well?

Not trying to bicker here, but you frustrate me when you refuse to take off the ketsup colored glasses, even for a moment.

I'll get over it, but you still havnt even acknowledged that the Time's story was all BS.

I'm curious. What, exactly, did NBC say that made the times story a sham?

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by LC80

I'm curious. What, exactly, did NBC say that made the times story a sham?

The sham is that the explosives were stolen under UN guidance BEFORE we went to war with Saddam. Plus the type of explosives that were taken were in such quantity that it would have taken 38 tandem trucks to do the job.

So, this was not "terrorist" action. In fact, it seems like Saddam move these munitions before he was invaded. I am curious if WMD were "moved" as well.

Bottom line, this was an attempt by the UN to spoil this election in favor of El Presidente' Kerry. The media was all too willling to take the story and run, just like CBS and the memo gate scandal.

Scary that a ninternation agency is trying to turn this election, is it not?

Reminds me of ALGORE and the Chinese donation scandal.

[Kilmer17]

Im trying to figure out how a small band of insurgence managed to sneak up and take dozens of trailers full of explosives.

[SEF]

Originally posted by portisbowwow

The sham is that the explosives were stolen under UN guidance BEFORE we went to war with Saddam. Plus the type of explosives that were taken were in such quantity that it would have taken 38 tandem trucks to do the job.

So, this was not "terrorist" action. In fact, it seems like Saddam move these munitions before he was invaded. I am curious if WMD were "moved" as well.

Bottom line, this was an attempt by the UN to spoil this election in favor of El Presidente' Kerry. The media was all too willling to take the story and run, just like CBS and the memo gate scandal.

Scary that a ninternation agency is trying to turn this election, is it not?

Reminds me of ALGORE and the Chinese donation scandal.

Not what I asked. What did NBC say that makes the Times story a sham.

[EagleSteve]

Originally posted by LC80

Not what I asked. What did NBC say that makes the Times story a sham.

NBC had embedded reporters who arrived at the site the day after Baghdad fell and the munitions were already gone. Verified by their reporters on the ground in April, 2003.

[SnyderShrugged]

Originally posted by LC80

Not what I asked. What did NBC say that makes the Times story a sham.

Did the posts already answer your question? I was away, but Bowwow and Blazers covered what I would have said.

LC80,

Your post seems to be a bit argumentative and leaning towards refuting the facts. I hope I misread your intent.

[Thiebear]

edit:

Insurgents Hauling 380 Tons Of Explosives Not Exactly A Covert Act

Unfortunately for the New York Times, no one gave a thought about the logistics of the notion that small bands of insurgents made off with 380 tons of explosives under the noses of the Coalition with no one noticing. CQ reader and retired Army Reserve Captain Ian Dodgson got paid to think about logistics, and he did some "****tail-napkin" math that escaped the geniuses at the Paper of Record:

We're familiar with the NY Times story and the IAEA accusations that the "missing" explosives were looted from the Al-Qaqaa military base due to US negligence in securing the facility.

If I were a guerilla "looter" and I was planning such an operation from a military standpoint, here's what the task would require:

Assumptions:

-Each "looter" could haul comfortably about 25 pounds per trip to a truck. (of course after 12 hours that would require superhuman endurance)

-I'd allow 5 minutes per round trip to the truck

-Work day 12 hours

-assume security breaks down 1 week after war starts (that allows 2

weeks before the US troops arrive)

-each pickup truck can carry about 1/4 ton of explosives (I did a quick calculation based upon the dimensions and weight of a block of C-4 and the dimensions of an average small pickup) and it takes 15 minutes to either load or unload the truck.

-the secure hiding place for 380 tons of explosives is 30 minutes away.

Calculations:

-380 tons / [((12hrs/dayX60min/hr) / (5 min per load)) X (25 lbs per load) X 14 days] = 15 loaders X 2 = 30 loaders/unloaders

-30 loaders/unloaders times 200% for breaks, rest, inefficiency, etc. = 60 loaders and unloaders.

-380 tons / [(12hrs/day / 1 hr/round trip,load,unload) X (.25 tons per trip) X 14 days] = 10 trucks and drivers X 1.5 (contingency) = 15 trucks and drivers.

-4 trucks + 10-15 men to supply water, food and other logistical

requirements

Total = 19-20 trucks, 90 men working continuously for two weeks to "loot" facility.

Bottom line this operation would take the resources of AN ENTIRE COMPANY (approx. 100 men) OVER TWO WEEKS, good Intel to know exactly where the "right" explosives were hidden and a means of breaching huge steel doors and concrete of an ASP.

And all of this would have to be done in an area with numerous intel overflights that would be looking for exactly this kind of activity in the combat zone, and not get noticed at all. Like so much of what the New York Times, CBS, and the Kerry campaign feeds us ... it just doesn't add up.

Posted by Captain Ed at October 26, 2004 12:48 PM

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/002869.php

[SEF]

Originally posted by skin-n-vegas

Did the posts already answer your question? I was away, but Bowwow and Blazers covered what I would have said.

LC80,

Your post seems to be a bit argumentative and leaning towards refuting the facts. I hope I misread your intent.

My intent is to find out what the report from NBC actually said. A transcript or something. As far as I'm concerned there are no facts available to refute. I'm just wondering if anyone knows exactly what was said or are we supposed to go on Drudge's interpretation.

[Joe Sick]

Originally posted by LC80

My intent is to find out what the report from NBC actually said. A transcript or something. As far as I'm concerned there are no facts available to refute. I'm just wondering if anyone knows exactly what was said or are we supposed to go on Drudge's interpretation.

Since NBC and Drudge agree on it, it has to be fact.

Even though numerous other news outlets have a different story, this is the one we must believe.

Don't these stupid liberals know that Bush is not responsible for anything on his watch?

[Joe Sick]

It looks like the story is changing a bit.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

...

ElBaradei told the council the IAEA had kept the theft quiet since learning of it from Iraqi authorities on Oct. 10 to give the U.S.-led multinational force and Iraq’s interim government “an opportunity to attempt to recover the explosives before this matter was put into the public domain.”

But since the disappearance was reported by the New York Times on Monday, he said he wanted the Security Council to have the letter that he received from Mohammed J. Abbas, a senior official at Iraq’s Ministry of Science and Technology, reporting the theft of the explosives.

The materials were lost through “the theft and looting of the governmental installations due to lack of security,” the letter said.

The letter informed the IAEA that since Sept. 4, 2003, looting at Al-Qaqaa had resulted in the loss of 214.67 tons of HMX, 155.68 tons of RDX and 6.39 tons of PETN explosives...

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by Jackson's Ward

It looks like the story is changing a bit.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6323933/

...

ElBaradei told the council the IAEA had kept the theft quiet since learning of it from Iraqi authorities on Oct. 10 to give the U.S.-led multinational force and Iraq’s interim government “an opportunity to attempt to recover the explosives before this matter was put into the public domain.”

But since the disappearance was reported by the New York Times on Monday, he said he wanted the Security Council to have the letter that he received from Mohammed J. Abbas, a senior official at Iraq’s Ministry of Science and Technology, reporting the theft of the explosives.

The materials were lost through “the theft and looting of the governmental installations due to lack of security,” the letter said.

The letter informed the IAEA that since Sept. 4, 2003, looting at Al-Qaqaa had resulted in the loss of 214.67 tons of HMX, 155.68 tons of RDX and 6.39 tons of PETN explosives...

Can you say "damage control"

i wonder where the UN stands on the election......

I guess we know now. Makes you feel comfortable that an international agency is trying to affect this election.

"Global test":mad:

Looks like IAEA just passed the test.......

[flashback]

I think the important part of this story is that there were 380 tons of explosives somewhere near Baghdad when we invaded. We don't have 'em. That means someone else does. It doesn't look like the car-bombings and suicide bombings are going to taper off anytime soon.

[portisizzle]

Originally posted by flashback

I think the important part of this story is that there were 380 tons of explosives somewhere near Baghdad when we invaded. We don't have 'em. That means someone else does. It doesn't look like the car-bombings and suicide bombings are going to taper off anytime soon.

The important part of this story is the timing of the story. Was this a new revelation that just happened to coincide with the election of the leader of the free world? And the "tip" just so happened to come from the agency that got kicked out of Iraq by Bush?

Trust me when I say the international community just made a MAJOR play to affect our election. Regardless where you fall on the political spectrum, this should bother you a great deal.