Kefka Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Every racist sentence you write proves your ignorance. YOu just can't accept the fact that the Palestinian Muslims and Christians are treated like dirt. You continue to bash Muslims, and fail to realize Muslims lived in peace well before your *** was born. I don't know what your love is for the zionists maybe its b/c like you they don't believe in God. Before you sleep tonight Art, pray to God Almighty to guide you. Like I said, it won't hurt you the least bit. Don't let your ego get in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wackey Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 I posted earlier about the beliefs I have encountered among the arab/muslim and american/muslim population. Here are the 20 (I've already posted 11 previously-I'll just repost those again to make it complete). <br /><br />Here is a summary of the more common beliefs.<br /><br />1) Israel should be driven into the sea. This is arab land and belongs to palestine. Driven into the seas is the most common expression (not an interpretation).<br /><br />2) US government is controlled by Jews and permits Israel to act the way it does (circular reasoning in the sence Jews control US, US controls Israel)<br /><br />3) Oil is the only reason US is interested in the middle east<br /><br />4) 9/11 was actually the work of the Massod.<br /><br />5) 4000 jews Left the WTC before the explosion, proving number 4.<br /><br />6) The US doesn't understand the historical situation in the Middle east<br /><br />7) The US doesn't understand the Koran. It is a book of peace.<br /><br />8) The US policy caused the the WTC (remember at the same time many are denying that WTC was committed by any arabs...huh).<br /><br />9) US government is evil. The US People are not (lists an encyclopedia of historic occurrences that are interpreted as evil).<br /><br />10) The US is killing large number of Afghanistan civilians (ranges from 500 to 6000. I find # virtually impossible to determine and wonder how it is derived)<br /><br />11) US is responsible for 5000 child deaths a month in Iraq (Reason mag articles calls those inflated numbers in question). <br /><br />12) The press is not objective (not like Al-Jazeera )<br /><br />13) The US population is brainwashed by the press and it's political leaders. <br /><br />14) 12 jewish bankers control the entire world's finanacial system.<br /><br />15) If the US would not interfer in Arab countries, these countries would thrive economically and socially.<br /><br />16) The Palistines did not cheer when the WTC fell and was actually previous video of when Insane was routed during the gulf war (The person who initially claimed this later recanted indicating this was not during the gulf war).<br /><br />17) The different religions in the Muslim world live peacefully together (tell that to my Orthodox Egyption friend who's family home was burned out because they were christians). <br /><br />18) A good muslim will kill any muslim who converts to another religion (Family members should do their duty. Under Islamic law, a person would not even make it to trial). Half of the muslims i've talked to believe this (damn scary). I learned this from the arab orthodox christian then started asking the muslims if this was true.<br /><br />19) The holocost never occurred (75% if you'd believe it. Amazing) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <br /><br />20) This last one is really a question. I'm always asked why does or how can the US support Israel. (This one is great also cause it allows me to flush out the various beliefs and ends to long discussions like what is occuring right now). <br /><br />Of the following Kefka, which one's don't you believe in? Just from reading your posts, I would say you believe in at least 50%.<br /><br />The justification of these beliefs are faily entertaining from an intellectual standpoint, But scary from a cultural perspective. <br /><br />I would love to see this in the main room again just so others can read kefka's beliefs (which I believe are reflective of a majority of muslims). I firmly believe if the American public was aware of what the majority of Muslims think, they would implement some much stronger immigration policies and stronger dealings with the different muslim regimes. I was aware of many of the above beliefs before 9/11. I was frustraited because I tried to explain some of these to others but they either didn't believe me or thought it had racial overtones. Now, people are slowly becoming aware of those twisted beliefs and are seeing the truth about muslims and their beliefs (people like kefka don't really even understand what they sound like to your average american). Continue to speak Kefka, cause you are doing America a great service with your drivel. You continue to slowly awaken the american consciousness to your twisted belief system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefka Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 I don't see whats so twisted with the fact that Palestinian Muslims and Christians are being killed daily by the Israelis. If you see that as twisted than I'd hate to see how you think cleary.<br /><br />Almost half of what you post is just sterotypical crap. Please go show that to the Muslims here in the US. Sad what ignorance can do to people.<br /><br />"10) The US is killing large number of Afghanistan civilians (ranges from 500 to 6000. I find # virtually impossible to determine and wonder how it is derived)" <br />I can give you a spreadsheet w/ all the names of the people who died, when they died, and how they were killed as a result of the US bombs.<br /><br />"Holocaust never occured (75%)" ... lol. You must be delusional. You must be living under a rock.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 01, 2002, 01:23 AM: Message edited by: Kefka ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wackey Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Of those 20, which one's do you disagree with. Ex. you would write, I don't agree with 1, 2, 3, 6, 12, and 19. Just reading your post would lead me to believe that you think at least 10 of them are correct. You appear to agree with 10 but not with 19. The comments in () are my commentary. <br /><br />I never claimed these are statistically significant. Just my informal sample of different arab/muslim and american/muslim. It is skewed to the arab/muslim because i know more of them -a 2 to 1 ratio. One of my profs is a mullah of our local mosque. He said he'd answer any questions I had concerning the Quran (my next post will be about the quran and islam- I'm looking forward to your input so I can cross reference this with my prof). <br /><br />I do hope these questions are studied in a formal setting to find what percentage of the population have these beliefs at home and abroad. The Gallop poll as reported by CNN was great because it started the trend. Hopefully, some Gallop polls become braver and start polling them on the more radical beliefs. I would love to be surprised and find the group I'm talking to is an aberration. But i doubt it. <br /><br />I believe the holocaust did happen. I am Just reporting what this small group thought. The rock they crawled out from is called islam. <br /><br />I hope more people do learn about Islam and arab opinions. I think the result will not be to your liking though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn X Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Art: Israel was a very tiny nation and still, largely is. Yes, it has grown because ignorant Arab and Muslim states continued to stupidly attack it, lose and see the Israeli people expand the borders to defend itself against further attacks.<br /><br />Kefka: No your puppet leaders [in those Arab states] attacked them. Not the Muslims, b/c if the Muslim attack there will exist not a Israeli state.</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Let me see if I have this straight here: The U.S. is a front for Zionist Aggression (read: Israel) and also pulls the strings of puppet dictators in nations in the Middle East that aren’t friendly towards Israel, right? So, in our blind love for Israel, we direct its neighbor nations, which we control, to attack Israel?!<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Kefka: If you had studies Islam at all you would see you there is more freedom to do as you please as long as its within the law, shariah [islamic Law].</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Freedom within parameters? Freedom within constraints?<br /><br />Isn’t that a contradiction, Kefka?<br /><br />BTW, Kefka, I’m curious as to how you came to be a Washington Redskins fan. Based upon what you’ve said in this thread, you seem to be someone who is very disenchanted with the U.S. and virtually all it represents. How is it that you came to be a fan of an American football team located in the American nation’s capital city? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 kefka...i have refrained from jumping in after our initial posts as i thought that, on balance, the mild exchanges had communicated essential details. but, i'm afraid you have taken this to rather extreme ends - and demonstrated in the process precisely the sort of rationalizations and emotions that worry Americans.<br /><br />Semantic quibbling aside....the real politic of the situation is that the power in material and force is arrayed against the militaristic arab/muslim nation states. these states have (implicitly) publicly advocated a policy of genocide (until very recently) vis the state of Israel. The United States as a matter of foreign policy, national interest and moral committment is the ultimate guarantor of the security of Israel. the committment travels a sine wave, but the min/max bounds are pretty tight. this is a reality of the present global political system.<br /><br />terrorism has become a forceful part of the equation recently. these terrorists have elevated the "struggle" to targeting American interests and citizens wherever they exist. many arab/muslim states are known to succor the various terrorist groups. as i have stated previously, a core respsonsibility for our government is to protect its citizens. we are engaged now and we will remain engaged until the threat is eradicated. your logic has pushed this to a point that requires us to respond with force.<br />this is a reality of the present national/international security environment.<br /><br />wherever the truth lies in respect to first causes, the fact remains that it is apparent many arab/muslim nations and interest groups (e.g., the mullahs) have left no other options open than violence - America is not going to pack its bags and disengage. there is an ineluctable logic about where this is all going to lead. <br /><br />in no particular, a few other random thoughts:<br /><br />1) from israeli borders to its concentrated civilian centers is approximately 15 minutes or less by modern jet aircraft. there is little or no reaction time in this situation - there are sound defense and security reasons for israel's need for border buffers.<br /><br />2) i have visited many arab nations. pls don't equivocate on the humanity of the koran and its justice. there is nothing so enlightening as the visual horrors of chop chop block.<br /><br />3) small detail, but many american muslim leaders have publicly professed support for what the American government has done post 9/11. moreover, there has been tacit acknowledgement that al queda was responsible for the wtc attacks.<br /><br />4) there has been very credible evidence of al queda planning and execution of the wtc attacks. there has been execellent documentary work on the histories and activities of the 20 terrorists who executed the actual attacks.<br /><br />you may feel justified in accepting the present course of action adopted by terroists and supported by radical states (who appreciate the diversion from murdering their own citizenry). until the threat to Americans ends there is no middle ground. what is transpiring now is truly scary and places all of us at risk. <br /><br />who is truly the threat to all civilized states at present? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Kefka, You have still not answered the house question that you began. 2 possible reasons-1- You know Im right or 2- You are an idiot. Either way.<br /><br />On another point, you claim that Muslims are at WAR. Fine, just be willing to accept the consequenses when you lose. And you and your "brothers" will lose. So when that happens and we turn Mecca into a handball court, remember who wanted this "WAR" to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Muslims are not at war. I can't declare war on Kefka any more than 10 guys eating dates, praising Allah and basking in their backward existence can declare war on a soverign state. War is defined as a state of open, armed, often prolonged conflict carried on between nations, states, or parties.<br /><br />The key here is nations can conduct war. Individual militant Muslim groups can not, even when some nutty cleric issues a Fatwa urging Jihad against someone or something, declare war. They can resort to terrorism however. And they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefka Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Sorry I was away... we "terrorists" on Friday go to prayer services. Sorry The Palestinians are at WAR (terrorism for Art) w/ the Israelis. Recent guerilla fighting at checkpoints clearly point to it. And they have been at War ever since Art's paradigm Sharon (an Israeli right-wing politician and an indicted war criminal under the Fourth Geneva Convention) came (w/ 2000 body guards of course) into the Haram Al-Shareef, while Muslims who live in the area can't attend their daily five prayers. <br /><br />I don't understand how hard it is to admit the zionists in Israel are killing civilians who are fighting for their homeland, who are bulldozing their homes, and making countless settlements. Israelis goal is clear, to slowly but effectively drive the Palestinians out of their lands who are well aware of what they are doing. I will say it again and again, the zionist state of Israel is in itself a crime. And if you can't see that I'm really sorry for your blind butts. I feel sorry for the American people whos tax dollars go to kill the innocent. I feel sorry for stubborn ignorant fools like Art who can't see the facts. And thats the truth of the matter wether you like it or not. I'm tired of posting here trying to explain to you guys what the situation is like down there. And why the Muslims aren't so content with the US government. But you just simply don't listen. Label me as you please. I am no longer going to post here or reply to your posts simply b/c you don't listen, you reply out of hatred (much like Art calling Muslims backward, hateful, dirty, terrorist, etc...) If any of you who have an open mind and wish to continue this dialouge join me at <a href="http://jews-for-allah.org/cboard/show.php?fid=1" target="_blank">Jewish Message Board</a>. <br /><br />Oh yeah somebody asked me how I happened to like the Redskins here in the US National Captial, well I like sports, much like anyone. I love football and ever since I was a child (Arts state of mind) I followed the Redskins games. From the Hogs, The Smurfs, Gibbs, and all those awesome suberbowl years. Plus I have more right to be a Redskins fan cause like the Palestinians they are(were) massacred. <br /><br /> <img border="0" alt="[yes]" title="" src="graemlins/yes.gif" /><br /> <br /> <small>[ March 01, 2002, 05:07 PM: Message edited by: Kefka ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn X Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 I also asked you to explain your paradoxical assertion that America is controlled by Israel and yet also controls other states and leaders in the Middle East. Since America = Israel, in your view, and America pulls the strings of other countries in the region that hate Israel, America is basically telling these "satellites" (or "puppets," as you call them) to hate their own master, no?<br /><br />Please explain.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 01, 2002, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: Glenn X ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wackey Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Kefka<br /><br />You state that my list is stereotypes but decline to mention, other than 19, which one's are stereotypical. I am in complete agreement that american born muslims are less radical than foreign born muslims. But, you seem to very similiar in opinions and attitude as the foreign born. <br /> <br />so, of those 20, pick the ones you differ with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefka Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Glenn X the puppet regimes surely don't hate the US, they've been kissing US *** , giving US their soil to bomb civilians in Afghanistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 "Sorry I was away... we "terrorists" on Friday go to prayer services."<br /><br />Sadly, we know you do Kefka. You pray to your God for the strength to kill innocent people who have any views contrary to yours. As that is so much of the world, perhaps this explains why you pray so often?<br /><br />"Sorry The Palestinians are at WAR (terrorism for Art) w/ the Israelis. Recent guerilla fighting at checkpoints clearly point to it."<br /><br />Sorry there chief. But a nation state is all that can create war. There is and has never really been a Palestinian state to go to war, and the southern part of Syria long since fell into ruin, which is all these lands ever were. Further, the ruling authority in Palestine does not council these killings of Israelis on Israeli soil. You are the supporter of terrorists and you are a terrorist Kefka. <br /><br />"And they have been at War ever since Art's paradigm Sharon (an Israeli right-wing politician and an indicted war criminal under the Fourth Geneva Convention) came (w/ 2000 body guards of course) into the Haram Al-Shareef, while Muslims who live in the area can't attend their daily five prayers. "<br /><br />The violence started NOT because Sharon went to the Temple Mount but because it was a planned initiation of hostilities by some factions of the Palestinian people. Muslims who live in the holy lands are allowed to pray except in times of extreme unrest when the Israeli people must protect themselves. The area is clearly open to you if you'd only quit killing innocent Jewish settlers who are on their rightful land.<br /><br />"I don't understand how hard it is to admit the zionists in Israel are killing civilians who are fighting for their homeland, who are bulldozing their homes, and making countless settlements."<br /><br />The Jewish people are only settling in areas that the Palestinians agree themselves would remain part of Israel in any final solution. The Israelis are only now finishing expansion into areas as mandated by the land acquired in the war of aggression against it and as mandated in 1968. Israel is restrained in all actions against the Palestinian people. When they are forced to fight back after another senseless, criminal terrorist act against one of their citizens, it is a shame that at times people who aren't involved may perish. But, this is a terrible thing in war as the Israeli government conducts against the terrorists who attack her innocent civilians as TARGETS while any killing of an innocent Palestinian is an accident in a responsive manuever.<br /><br />"Israelis goal is clear, to slowly but effectively drive the Palestinians out of their lands who are well aware of what they are doing."<br /><br />The Israeli goal is clear. To exist. The right to exist should not be a negotiable point, especially when dealing with facist, racist, backward fanatics like yourself. There is no Palestine. There never was. All there ever was was Southern Syria which was the common Arab viewpoint in the early part of the 1900s when Arabs called the term Palestine a creation of the Zionists.<br /><br />"I will say it again and again, the zionist state of Israel is in itself a crime."<br /><br />It is not a crime to exist. It is not a crime to own territory you legally purchased or were rightfully granted. It's not a crime to expand your borders when enemies repeated attack your peaceful people. It's not a crime to have improved the region by cultivating land that was scarcely populated and abandoned.<br /><br />"And if you can't see that I'm really sorry for your blind butts. I feel sorry for the American people whos tax dollars go to kill the innocent."<br /><br />As do I. For this reason we should stop funding Arafat and the Palestinian people so they may stop killing innocents. Just as many Arab nations have with held money from the Palestinians and Israel recently withheld $50 million in funds due the PA. Perhaps America should follow suit to protect innocent people.<br /><br />"I feel sorry for stubborn ignorant fools like Art who can't see the facts. And thats the truth of the matter wether you like it or not."<br /><br />The right of Jews to exist is not an ignorant belief. Saying they have no right is. Those are the facts. It's awful seeing a person so backward as to not realize the truth.<br /><br />"I'm tired of posting here trying to explain to you guys what the situation is like down there. And why the Muslims aren't so content with the US government."<br /><br />We know why Muslims aren't content with the American government. A repressive, criminal, violent, filthy, backward people are not going to be content with a civilized, fair, open, expressive and kind people. Not ever.<br /><br />"But you just simply don't listen. Label me as you please. I am no longer going to post here or reply to your posts simply b/c you don't listen, you reply out of hatred (much like Art calling Muslims backward, hateful, dirty, terrorist, etc...) If any of you who have an open mind and wish to continue this dialouge join me at <a href="http://jews-for-allah.org/cboard/show.php?fid=1" target="_blank">Jewish Message Board</a>. "<br /><br />See you later Kefka. Go post on your Hail Hitler board and thank the German leader for the work he started and your God calls to be continued. I'm fairly confident you won't be missed. Incorrect propoganda with no historical basis is hardly a conversational quality thread. But, that's all you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefka Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Such hateful words, what a hypocrate. Tsk Tsk Tsk... I feel sorry for your Mom who had to deal w/ ignorance like yours. When you can accept the facts go to the board above, Jews and Palestinians posts there all alike. Though you know you'll be admitting the truth, thats why it hurts you so much. Its ok, don'y worry, your time will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Kefka, I post all over the internet. Too often I see the ignorance of your Muslim people and that is why I drew your beliefs into the forefront after you mildly attempted to display some restraint. But, as with all those I play with, you solely dance to whatever beat I put out and you can't keep your true hateful beliefs to yourself, exposing them, then claiming to be shocked to see them called what they are.<br /><br />You are so blinded by your violent, isolated, repressive religion you can't even see how lost you are. How you lack morality and decency. It's a shame. A person so lost in his cult should not be allowed to roam so freely. My time will come, Kefka. I'm certain of it. Happily, I'm positive yours will too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Kefka, you crazy loon, that board is HYSTERICAL. You are at least consistent. Nick seems a very bright man. Any time you are confronted with the truth you shut it out, claim the other person is ignorant and whine about it. You are a piece of work. I may join Nick in his good work over there. Perhaps other Muslims may be there who are worth showing the error of what they believe. Of course, let me ask you, are you going to the Hajj to cop a feel of some ladies in the area? Seems awfully desperate to me my boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefka Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 lol, you pervert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grey Wackey Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 I went to your link and noticed Nick was logical and consistent. However, his detractors mainly used the excuse of translation and ad hominen attacks. I also noticed you wanted to block Nick's ISP. Can't beat em, better block em. <br /><br />You claimed my post demonstrated stereotypes against arabs. My question to you is out of those 20, which do you personally do not believe in or believe?<br /><br />I am starting to notice a trend of avoiding certain subjects that the other posters have brought up but you refuse to answer. And when you do, it's something like read a book or about their ignorance or some other personal attack. Fan, kilmer, and Glen most recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn X Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Kefka, you're not answering my question.<br /><br />Here, let me give you a "For instance..."<br /><br />According to you, the U.S. is Israel's puppet. In addition, according to you, someone like Yasser Arafat is a puppet of the U.S., which, by extension, would make Arafat Israel's puppet. So if this is the case, why did Arafat fail to heed the string-pulling of his Zionist puppetmasters and sign the Camp David peace accord in the summer of 2000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kefka Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Cause Arafat knows if he did such a thing publicly he'd get kicked out of his position by the Muslims there. Sorry not just the Muslims, but the Christian Palestinians would denounce him too. Quite simply really. It would be all too obvious what is going on than. Than the Palestinian Christians would support Hamas much like the Lebanon Christians and drive out the zionist Jews from their lands.<br /> <br /> <small>[ March 02, 2002, 03:09 PM: Message edited by: Kefka ]</small> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn X Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 So Arafat really isn't a Zionist puppet then, is he? If he were, he'd be unable to resist the commands of his Zionist masters, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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