@DCGoldPants Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 http://forums.theganggreen.com/index.php?showtopic=15087&st=0entry234720 So....I will bring the same highly unlikely situation here. If the Jets offered LaMont Jordan for Rod Gardner, do we make the deal? That would make our 1st rounder even more interesting. If Fitz is on the board, he might be the #2 to Coles......if not and we go with Coles, McCants and Jacobs......then we use that pick on a DL for sure and maybe go into the season with Jordan and Betts. Who knows? that's why I dragged it over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyKilmer Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 You got give that guy credit for thinking. It will never happen but its intresting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Jordan for Patrick Johnson maybe, no way Gardner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoyler23 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Jordan hasn't done anything in the NFL. He was great for the Terps, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Just cos he was a terp I know you east coast guys are gonna start drooling Jordan isnt much. I dont think he'll e ven get the starting nod when CMart retires/leaves the Jets. No thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Joe Hog Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 In a heart beat. I see them as equivalent players. We're deep at WR but we need a good RB. It would be lucky for us if we could deal for him before the Jets get to see what he can do as a starter. LaMont's got power, he's able to break-away, he can catch, and he's very good in short yardage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atloldskin Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I also say no to that trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitz Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 It's a very interesting idea. I agree that LaMont is still a largely unknown quantity, he hasn't proven a lot with the Jets. But Gardner hasn't exactly become a Pro Bowl fixture either, and he doesn't have a Curtis Martin starting ahead of him. If we could get a second-day draft pick thrown in, I'd go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 how are we deep at WR? if we trade Gardner we have Coles and then a buch #3 and #4 WR's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Jordan RUSHING Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD 2001 New York Jets 16 0 39 292 7.5 46 1 3 14 2002 New York Jets 14 0 84 316 3.8 61 3 1 17 2003 New York Jets 16 0 46 190 4.1 39 4 2 14 TOTAL 46 0 169 798 4.7 61 8 6 45 RECEIVING Year Team G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD 2001 New York Jets 16 0 7 44 6.3 25 1 1 0 2 2002 New York Jets 14 0 17 160 9.4 27 0 1 0 8 2003 New York Jets 16 0 11 101 9.2 25 0 2 0 5 TOTAL 46 0 35 305 8.7 27 1 4 0 15 ***************************************************** Gardner RECEIVING Year Team G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD 2001 Washington Redskins 16 16 46 741 16.1 85 4 8 5 28 2002 Washington Redskins 16 15 71 1006 14.2 43 8 13 2 51 2003 Washington Redskins 16 16 59 600 10.2 35 5 7 0 30 TOTAL 48 47 176 2347 13.3 85 17 28 7 109 RUSHING Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD 2001 Washington Redskins 16 16 1 16 16.0 16 0 0 1 2002 Washington Redskins 16 15 1 1 1.0 1 0 0 0 2003 Washington Redskins 16 16 0 0 --- 0 0 0 0 TOTAL 48 47 2 17 8.5 16 0 0 1 PASSING Year Team G GS Att Comp Pct Yards YPA Lg TD Int Tkld 20+ 40+ Rate 2001 Washington Redskins 16 16 0 0 --- 0 --- 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 --- 2002 Washington Redskins 16 15 1 0 0.0 0 0.00 0 0 0 0/0 0 0 39.6 2003 Washington Redskins 16 16 3 2 66.7 46 15.33 36 2 0 0/0 1 0 149.3 TOTAL 48 47 4 2 50.0 46 11.50 36 2 0 0/0 1 0 131.3 Jordan is a career backup. If he was so great he would have been starting by now. With Martin a year or two away from retirement, I wouldn't be shocked to see the Jets draft a RB. Gardner has flaws but he is a solid #2 NFL receiver, worth more a lot more than a backup RB, especially when there are a bunch of quailty RBs in the draft, and FA RBs available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Glory Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I say no but for different reasons. Gardner hasn't been with a good coach yet and I think Gibbs can bring back the guy we saw two years ago. Gardner has the tools to be great and I believe Gibbs can get him there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Hog Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 How quickly we forget Rod Gardner's solid season from 2002. Not too many teams in the league can say that their number 2 receiver is a former 1,000 yard receiver. I guess as the saying goes "you are only as good as your last game/season". Let's give Gardner a chance to get back on track under the tutelage of Coach Gibbs. If he continues with the bonehead plays, penalties, drops, etc. after this season, ship him out and get what you can for him, but give the guy a chance to redeem himself. Think about how dangerous our passing game was in week 2 vs. Atlanta. If I remember correctly, Coles had 11 catches and Rod had 10. Both guys went over 100 yards receiving that day and formed a great one-two punch. That's what we have to look forward to in terms of WR production if Rod rededicates himself and focuses more often. It would be a mistake to let him go at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Jordan is a dog. You definitely wouldn't trade him for Gardner. You MIGHT consider trading Gardner for Jordan and a second round pick or something of that nature. But, to be honest, Jordan wouldn't even be assured a roster spot here behind the backs we DO have, much less a starting role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Nah. Like others it would be nice to see gardner, ( and others), in a...well....the Gibbs system. Though Gardner wasn't all that bad in S.S.'s, just gotta work on the consistancy. Sides. Some guys, (like Jordan), are better off staying on the farm team a little longer. However, there's a certain DLineman who may need to get the call to the bigs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montilar Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Just cos he was a terp I know you east coast guys are gonna start drooling Actually, being a twerp grad is an immediate reason to avoid at all costs. shows he can't be very intelligent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 ok, how about a 2nd rounder for Jordan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earl Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 gardner is too much for lamont gordon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTerps2002 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Gardne is garbage I would do this deal in a second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 There is no way Bradway makes a trade with the jetskins - He hates Snyder more than the devil and at least as much as pastabelly hates Snyder - unless it is a totally unbalanced deal - which we won't do. Also don't forget P. Johnson is an urfa, McCants a rfa, russell a bust, and Jacobs an unknown. We aren't necessarily going to be so deep at wr that we give up a proven #2 without a proven replacement. As far a Gardner's bad year last year - who on the Skins offense had a GOOD year except Coles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ford Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Gardner is NOT too much for lamont jordan .. but with an aging curtis martin i don't see it happening. Even in Gardner's 1,000 year .. he was highly inconsistant and has never been a real reliable receiver. Maybe he will improve under gibbs .. but i think taylor jacobs has a brighter future here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I find it amazing guys who have only seen Jordan play in a few games have such a strong opinion of him. He plays behind a future hall of famer in an "O" that is not conducive to his power running style. I am not saying he is of the same value as Gardner but, if the Jets were to throw in a 2nd round pick it should be considered. We are going to need a scat back and a power back and everyone here knows it. We have the scat back type in either Morton or Sultan, Betts is the big unknown. Is he durable enough to be the power back for 16 games plus a few post season games? Noone really knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisbob74 Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 I like what I've seen of Jordan when he plays but Gardener is worth more so like Art says, if they throw in a 2nd rounder or maybe a 3rd and a 5th rounder, something like that. If it did happen, would we be accepting that Jordan would battle Betts for the starting job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 No way would I trade Gardner straight up for Jordan. The Jets would have to throw in draft picks and even then I'm not sold enough on Jordan to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flowtrain Posted January 20, 2004 Share Posted January 20, 2004 Just to give you a sense of how these opinions stack up against reality, last year the Texans offered their #3 pick for Jordan and the Jets #13 pick. In other words, according to the draft value chart, they valued Jordan as a 1st rounder. Not bad for a dog. I see you've rolled out his stats to have a look. What you don't see is that in 2003, he missed substantial playing time with a broken hand. The naked eye also doesn't see that his career stats have been skewed as he's been used primarily in short yardage/goal line situations with 8 in the box. Finally, Herman is also extremely conservative (probably to a fault) with regard to giving younger players PT, and as a result, Jordan has had a tough time stealing touches from Martin (1300+ in 2003). Had Jordan been asked to perform and failed, that would be one thing. But when he's been given chances, he's found success (for example, 100+ and 2 TDs against the Colts in the playoffs) and has had multiple long runs in which he's shown breakaway speed. Hand injury and Herman's philosophy aside, when you play your career behind one of the most durable RBs in the history of the game, you're looking at limited opportunities. He's an unknown quantity with little mileage who's been groomed by a HOF RB. Whether other GMs would agree with the Texans that he's worthy of a 1st rounder, I'm not so sure. But with Martin on his last legs, Jordan is the heir apparent to the Jets starting RB position, and it would take significant compensation to pry him away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 20, 2004 Author Share Posted January 20, 2004 I watched him at Maryland and in spot duty with the Jets. He's got the physical talent to be a starter. He just needs to carries and the coaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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