VOX: American kids are 70 percent more likely to die before adulthood than kids in other rich countries

[grego]

benning, i dont need you to post the info (although i appreciate the effort), i just want the link to whatever the that is. can you post it for me? thanks.

[Bozo the kKklown]

Just now, grego said:

benning, i dont need you to post the info (although i appreciate the effort), i just want the link to whatever the that is. can you post it for me? thanks.

Its the same link.

 

I have access, you do not. There is nothing I can do.

 

What would you like to see from the study?

 

I can post that.

[grego]

1 minute ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

Its the same link.

 

I have access, you do not. There is nothing I can do.

 

What would you like to see from the study?

 

I can post that.

 

just the link, please.

[Renegade7]

I want to know the other 20 countries, can someone post that at least?  I tried searching Health Affairs website, couldn't find the article Vox is referencing.

[Bozo the kKklown]

12 minutes ago, grego said:

 

just the link, please.

Bro

 

It is the same link. You do not have access to the full study. I work on a college campus, so I can see the entire study since we probably paid for a subscription to the database that it is published too.

8 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

I want to know the other 20 countries, can someone post that at least?  I tried searching Health Affairs website, couldn't find the article Vox is referencing.

20 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

 

 

[grego]

8 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

Bro

 

It is the same link. You do not have access to the full study. I work on a college campus, so I can see the entire study since we probably paid for a subscription to the database that it is published too.

 

 

i dont know what link you are referring to when you say 'its the same link'. 

 

there is a link to the vox article in the OP, then that article contains hyperlinks. 

 

so can you post the link that you are using to get the study?

 

 

[bcl05]

Here is a link to the original study.  You may not be able to see it - I'm also in an academic medical center with access.

 

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/pdf/10.1377/hlthaff.2017.0767

 

Here's another striking figure:

 

 

That's >600,000 excess childhood deaths in this country. That is a staggering number, and represents a significant percentage of all childhood deaths.  

[Bozo the kKklown]

3 minutes ago, grego said:

 

i dont know what link you are referring to when you say 'its the same link'. 

 

there is a link to the vox article in the OP, then that article contains hyperlinks. 

 

so can you post the link that you are using to get the study?

 

 

this link:

1 hour ago, grego said:

 

is this it? https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2017.0767

 

when i click on the first hyperlink, i get the general page, not the study. if thats not it, can you post it? thanks.

 

[grego]

ya i'm not able to get the study without paying. 

[PeterMP]

It is linked from the general page given in the Vox article.  From the current issue list, scroll down.

 

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/full/10.1377/hlthaff.2017.0767

 

And there is a pdf (behind a paywall, which I'm not going to circumvent)

 

https://www.healthaffairs.org/doi/pdf/10.1377/hlthaff.2017.0767

 

The other countries they looked at are Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Norway, New Zealand, Netherlands, Japan, Italy, Iceland, Ireland, UK, Germany, France, Finland, Canada, Belgium, Denmark, Austria, and Australia.

 

[Bozo the kKklown]

3 minutes ago, grego said:

ya i'm not able to get the study without paying. 

That's what I said.

 

Hence why I asked what did you want to see from it so I can copy and paste it.

[grego]

1 minute ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

That's what I said.

 

Hence why I asked what did you want to see from it so I can copy and paste it.

 

i thought there was another link i was missing. i really want to read the whole study, which would be hard to copy and paste, but i appreciate your trying to help.

[PeterMP]

4 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

That's what I said.

 

Hence why I asked what did you want to see from it so I can copy and paste it.

 

It is possible that he has access to some sources and where he is doesn't subscribe to Health Affairs.  That giving him the link would have helped depending on where he is.  To absolutely say he can't get it (unless you know something about him) is a bit presumptuous and conceited.  I can get most anything that is electronic, but even occasionally, I find things that I have to use interlibrary loan for or not have them.

 

(It does look like everything Health Affairs has is free after 36 months, which means you might be able to get in 3 years if you are really interested.)

[Bozo the kKklown]

Just now, PeterMP said:

To absolutely say he can't get it (unless you know something about him) is a bit presumptuous. 

Its not presumptuous at all.

 

He posted the URL that I viewed the study. That's why I said he was not able to view it. I mentioned it after that.

[PeterMP]

5 minutes ago, BenningRoadSkin said:

That's what I said.

 

Hence why I asked what did you want to see from it so I can copy and paste it.

 

Ah.  I see.  My fault.

[PeterMP]

So this sort of gets into the causes (beyond just the health care system):

 

"We identified the leading specific causes of
death by ICD-10 codes from 2001 to 2010 for
the US and the sixteen OECD19 countries that
used ICD-10 during this decade (data not
shown). For infants, the two leading causes of
death in the US during the period were extreme
immaturity and sudden infant death syndrome,
with US-to-OECD19 rate ratios of 3.0 and 2.3,
respectively. The two leading causes of death
for children ages 15–19 were motor vehicle
accidents and assaults by firearm, with US-to-
OECD19 rate ratios of 2.1 and 82.2, respectively.
The latter statistic indicates that from 2001 to
2010, a person in the 15–19 age group was eightytwo
times more likely to die from gun homicide
in the US than in other wealthy nations."

 

I suspect drugs and education, which are a contributing factor to both premature baby and SIDS, explains much of the issues with infants.

 

Cars, guns, and road safety, I think are clear.

 

From what I think I remembered in the past, I'm surprised they didn't mention suicide.  My previous recollection is that suicides are more common in the US.

[grego]

i blame vox. they didn't list a direct link to the study, only a general link to the health affairs page, and there were several hyperlinks in the article but none took you to the study, so that was confusing. then (not their fault), you cant get in without special access or paying. 

 

big clusterfoxtrot. 

 

its all good.