Jrew1223 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I'm an International Relations student who has been studying this conflict for the better part of two decades. In my studies and experiences, the things I have read in America seem to be the total polar opposite of what I have seen first hand in the region so I wanted to start this open discussion to see what everyone knows about his conflict. I feel that until all opinions are on the table being placed in a constructive manner, we will never get to the bottom of this and we will be divided and conquered in the mental arena. The situation seems very simple from my vantage point, but I am only one person.. and unless I become dictator of America my one opinion isn't going to make much of a difference haha... So let's have it... What do you see as the root causes and what do you think needs to happen for lasting peace in the region? -Jrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Screw the Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Screw the Jews. Screw the Muslims. And there you have it folks. Both sides of the conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McD5 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 This has War and Peace potential. Over/Under 50 pages. Final verdict? Nothing gets resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter44 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 The creation of Israel is the main cause...there is nothing that can be done to fix the problem short of one side destroying the other because Israel is never going to give the Palestinians back their land, and they're not into sharing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Seriously, what are you asking? Conditions in Palestinian-controlled lands are deplorable, but the main driver behind that situation are Palestinians who harbor a desire to kill Jews, rather then Jews' desire to make Palestinians miserable. Both sides have nuts. Israel has the capacity to keep their nuts in check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mad4comp Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Judaism >>>> Islam (in terms of age) therefore Jew's should get that land.... I have spoken..... actually I could care less...I will say this tho...Islam sucks..as does Judaism.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrew1223 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 Having read your initial responses I fear for the future of humanity haha... Seriously... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toe Jam Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Screw the Jews. Screw the Muslims. Screw the Christians! Now this thread has a little bit of everything.:evilg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrew1223 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 Seriously, what are you asking? Conditions in Palestinian-controlled lands are deplorable, but the main driver behind that situation are Palestinians who harbor a desire to kill Jews, rather then Jews' desire to make Palestinians miserable. Both sides have nuts. Israel has the capacity to keep their nuts in check. Alexey- There are no Palestinian controlled lands and there never really were any after Israel declared statehood in 1948. The areas such as the West Bank and Gaza Strip are Israeli controlled. Why do you think the Palestinians harbor a desire to kill Jews? The reason I ask what I do is because a lot of the views you are stating are not grounded in the reality of what is happened/is happening there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter44 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Having read your initial responses I fear for the future of humanity haha... Seriously... I agree. I just never understood what part of creating ghettos for the Palistinians to live in they thought would be a good idea?? I see it as Israel doing pretty much (not the death camps) the same thing that was done to them... :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrew1223 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 Screw the Jews? Screw the Muslims? Screw the Christians? Did you know that before the Zionists came to shore all three religions co-existed peacefully? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toe Jam Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Screw the Jews?Screw the Muslims? Screw the Christians? Did you know that before the Zionists came to shore all three religions co-existed peacefully? In my defense, I was joking. I don't know about the other two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter44 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Screw the Jews?Screw the Muslims? Screw the Christians? Did you know that before the Zionists came to shore all three religions co-existed peacefully? Yup, weird what a few hundred years of Crusading will do to a people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrew1223 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 I agree.I just never understood what part of creating ghettos for the Palistinians to live in they thought would be a good idea?? I see it as Israel doing pretty much (not the death camps) the same thing that was done to them... :doh: I totally agree with you...100%. It could be argued that the Zionists are trying to accomplish the same goal as the Nazis in the eradication of a people, but they are framing the scenario in a way that makes it look acceptable in the eyes of the rest of the world as "self-defense" *Disclaimer - Zionist does not equal Jew, Zionists are the radical Jews that see other religious and racially different peoples as inferior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I totally agree with you...100%. It could be argued that the Zionists are trying to accomplish the same goal as the Nazis in the eradication of a people, but they are framing the scenario in a way that makes it look acceptable in the eyes of the rest of the world as "self-defense"*Disclaimer - Zionist does not equal Jew, Zionists are the radical Jews that see other religious and racially different peoples as inferior. What do you call Muslims who feel the same way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrew1223 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 In my defense, I was joking.I don't know about the other two. Haha I know man... but for those who don't I just wanted to make that point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 best answer, stop all US aid to both and let the two factions figure it our outside of US influence. I say this because Isreal is often seen as being the "little US" and has a stigma on it because of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Screw the Jews?Screw the Muslims? Screw the Christians? Did you know that before the Zionists came to shore all three religions co-existed peacefully? You don't want to expose your agenda this early in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexey Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Alexey-There are no Palestinian controlled lands and there never really were any after Israel declared statehood in 1948. The areas such as the West Bank and Gaza Strip are Israeli controlled. Why do you think the Palestinians harbor a desire to kill Jews? The reason I ask what I do is because a lot of the views you are stating are not grounded in the reality of what is happened/is happening there. I guess that depends on the definition for "controlled". You can say that Gaza Strip, for example, is controlled by Palestinians, but you can also say that it's controlled by Israel. Most Palestinians do not harbor a desire to kill Jews, and those that do, do so for different reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 What do you call Muslims who feel the same way? Muslim. lol I'm here all week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrew1223 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 What do you call Muslims who feel the same way? I call them Radical Islamists... There are radicals in every religion preaching everyday, but what we don't seem to shed light on is what events take place that finally gave these radicals an audience. Hitler preached his Nazi ideals for 10 years before conditions in Germany were so bad that he finally had an audience. The Jews didn't make the German conditions bad, but they gave Hitler a scapegoat and thus rise to power... Radical Islamists didn't have an audience until Western powers came and colonized the region for its natural resources. Jihadi suicide bombing preaching clerics didn't have an audience until one day tens of thousands of foreigners came to Palestine and threw the local people out of their homes to make way for more foreigners... In Christianity when in America we abolished slavery the KKK played off of the fears of the black man to gain influence... People do not irrationally hate... There is always a reason and a cause... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrew1223 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 I guess that depends on the definition for "controlled". You can say that Gaza Strip, for example, is controlled by Palestinians, but you can also say that it's controlled by Israel.Most Palestinians do not harbor a desire to kill Jews, and those that do, do so for different reasons. I know what your saying, but I disagree again with your definition of control... Palestinians have no control in Gaza at all. Gaza is walled off from the rest of the world and the borders are patrolled by the Israeli Defense Force who do not allow anyone in or anyone out. This includes any aid in the form of food, medicine, and construction materials. Mind you that the Gaza Strip is not a large place by any means and it is home to 1.5 million people who are mostly unemployed. It is my experience that the muslims that harbor desire to kill jews do so because their lives have been made so horrific that they literally have no other option since surrounding Islamic countries do not consider them citizens. It's like being in a room with a balloon expanding killing whoever it touches and there's no where for you to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Did you know that before the Zionists came to shore all three religions co-existed peacefully? The responses you are seeing are based on the presumption that you came in with an agenda and to make a point. The start of your discussion rings of intellectual dishonesty. This is a conversation we have had both civilly and aggressively a thousand times on this board alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrew1223 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Share Posted December 16, 2009 You don't want to expose your agenda this early in the game. Destino- I don't have an agenda and it sounds like your wording your sentence like I am here to push a certain ideological point of view which I am not. I'm just here because after all I have seen first hand I want to hear from others on their perceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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