ntotoro Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 His camp affected the team by approximately 0%, give or take a point. The way this team finished, one extra game (the starters barely play during the pre-season) and an earlier camp didn't affect them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitbull Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 well my dad has said the same thing and this is a guy who predicts plays with incredible accuracy so I'm inclined to agree. He thinks it's because others teams finally had enough film to properly prepare and the Skins didn't have anything else. I tend to agree with this theory. I coach football, and once teams get film on you, they tend to recognize the small things that will give a play away. I understand that this is a professional level of football, but the basics of the game stay the same, no matter the level. Its like blocking in the back, players are taught from little league that if you can see the number on the back of the Jersey dont touch the defender, but every week or almost every return, someone in the NFL gets flagged for doing it. I think it was a combination of things, teams getting film and being able to game plan better, nagging injuries always play apart, OL breaking down. Due to all of these things Zorn lost the aggressivness in his play calling, I do expect things will be alot better this year though. Just my two cents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoRUSupposed2Be Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 His camp affected the team by approximately 0%, give or take a point.The way this team finished, one extra game (the starters barely play during the pre-season) and an earlier camp didn't affect them. And you know this how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 And you know this how? Well, anyone with two eyes could see the starters didn't play a ton in the pre-season. The team finished 2-6 after starting 6-2. Do you honestly want me to believe that one extra pre-season game and a slightly earlier start to camp (and Camp Zorn wasn't exactly Camp Schottenheimer) caused that kind of collapse. No other team in the league that so much an easier time of things compared to us. The Titans certainly didn't seem affected by that extra game, anyway. What killed us was Zorn's lack of imagination as the season went on. Teams got film and he didn't adjust. We had O-Lineman hurt and a QB whose overall NFL ability is still in-question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointyfootball Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Hall of Fame Weekend Games, and how the teams finished their season: 2001 STL vs. MIA - Rams lose in SB, Phins lose in WC Playoff game 2002 HOU vs. NYG - Texans (4-12), Giants lose in WC Playoff game 2003 GB vs. KC - Both lose in divisional round of playoffs 2004 DEN vs. WAS - Broncos lose WC Game, Skins (6-10) 2005 CHI vs. MIA - Bears lose divisional round of playoffs, Dolphins miss playoffs (9-7) 2006 LA vs. PHI - Raiders (2-14), Eagles lose Divisional Round of Playoffs 2007 NO vs. PIT - Saints (7-9), Steelers lose WC Playoff game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 pointyfootball, thats a nice find. But I'm looking for something like number of days (or percent of days) in full pads versus number of wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoGood28 Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 Not to mention that we played the first game of the 2008 season. All of that extra work turned out to be a brutal way to start the season. There is no denying that it affected the team down the stretch. True, we started out 6-2, but that was probably because we got extra work in the preseason and had better chemistry for the first 8 games. But after the midpoint, our older guys just completely ran out of gas. I'm looking forward to 2009 when we'll have a much more conventional start to the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikie Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 don't know about the length of camp and it's effect on us, but do know that mike tomlin admitted in his first year he pushed his players too hard and saw how it affected his team down the stretch... big ben said the difference between how the team felt towards the end of season the first year versus the second was night and day... I do believe though that whether we were fresh or not, teams figured our offense out and training camp had no effect on that whatsoever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted March 13, 2009 Author Share Posted March 13, 2009 Well, anyone with two eyes could see the starters didn't play a ton in the pre-season.The team finished 2-6 after starting 6-2. Do you honestly want me to believe that one extra pre-season game and a slightly earlier start to camp (and Camp Zorn wasn't exactly Camp Schottenheimer) caused that kind of collapse. No other team in the league that so much an easier time of things compared to us. The Titans certainly didn't seem affected by that extra game, anyway. What killed us was Zorn's lack of imagination as the season went on. Teams got film and he didn't adjust. We had O-Lineman hurt and a QB whose overall NFL ability is still in-question. But see, I remember my childhood where I as a 1 or 2 year old child was sittin there saying "dey gonna run Riggo" and that was the play all day every day. The thing was nobody could stop that play. I understand that part of the problem was the lack of imagination in the offense, there have been several times when teams know where the ball's going and can't stop it. Look at the Super Bowl and the Cardinals last TD. Who wasn't calling for a deep ball to Fitz? Most of the time when a team has such a disparity between the #1 and #2 WRs, teams can guess that the ball's going to the #1. Thats how (some) teams were stopping Dallas, by just covering T.O. But Dallas still managed to win 9 games (not that 9 games is such a big accomplishment). And add to that that we weren't blown out of many games. We were still moving the ball and had chances to win some of those games in that 2-6 finish (Cincy, SF to name two off my head). The others (Dallas, Pitt, Balt, NY) were against some really good to dominant defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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