TankRizzo Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Emrys Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Thanks. I didn't see you quoting my post claiming he was fumble prone. No Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Guaranteeing a field goal? Do you know who our kicker is? Suishy wasn't in a slump then, he was 4-for-4 that game. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?game_id=29610&displayPage=tab_box_score&season=2008&week=REG6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 "4 pro-bowl players on offense"? Very telling. I think the Snyder Hype Machine has infected his brain. I guess using that logic Zorn probably thinks the defense sucks. Can't argue with your logic there...also he doesn't talk about the Defense too often...he does tricks with a ball...and he lives that offensive system he has put in....and...oh no....You ever notice how Steve Spurrier and him are never in the same place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeueRedskinWelle Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 No one said he was fumble prone, only that 2 fumbles were a lot for him.PLEASE find time to read more carefully. See 'No one said'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Emrys Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 By the way, of the 7 fumbles he has only lost 3. 3 lost fumbles in 5 years on 304 receptions. By the way, of those 7 fumbles, 3 (almost half), occured this season. Last year he had 66 catches and 1 fumble. The year before 57 cathes and 0 fumbles. So, his fumbles this year are a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Emrys Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 See 'No one said'. No one means me.:cool: I don't speak for others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zCommander Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 And some guy tried to argue in another thread that Cooley's fumbles weren't a big deal. He's always been prone to fumbles and this year it has gotten even worse. He's also had quite a few in his career that went out of bounds, came out after a knee was just barely down, etc. He's one of our few bright spots but that is definitely his weakness. Like I said in the other thread: 3 this year and 7 total in his whole career. Yup that is A LOT of fumbles. :doh: But since the offense is sputtering this year his fumbles are magnified!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Maybe Zorn wants to be fired? He saying all this crap so Dan will fire him and Zorn can then have a nice little check. He can then go back to Seattle and be on Jim Mora Jr's staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 By the way, of those 7 fumbles, 3 (almost half), occured this season. Last year he had 66 catches and 1 fumble. The year before 57 cathes and 0 fumbles.So, his fumbles this year are a problem. Yes, but last time he had this many catches, he also had 3 fumbles (one lost). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjrugger Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I heard it live on the radio and Czabe was just trying to piss him off. I think he sounded fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeueRedskinWelle Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 By the way, of those 7 fumbles, 3 (almost half), occured this season. Last year he had 66 catches and 1 fumble. The year before 57 cathes and 0 fumbles.So, his fumbles this year are a problem. We could do this all day. It was fun honest. But ok, yes his fumbles are clearly a problem, but the numbers are so small compared to what he has done for the team that you cannot use it as a negative argument against him. Mathematically speaking, he is standing at under 1% of his receptions are fumbles. Granted I've never looked into other receivers/tight ends to compare numbers, but that can't be terrible. Edit - I should fix it to say under 1% of his receptions are lost fumbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeueRedskinWelle Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 No one means me.:cool: I don't speak for others. You caught me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 ....You ever notice how Steve Spurrier and him are never in the same place?I certainly agree that the one comparison of Spurrier and Zorn that sticks is the flakiness. And I used to think them as similar coaches. Then I reviewed Spurriers stats. Holy cow did Spurrier do a lot with absolutely nothing on offense. He had No RBs, No Wr and No QBs and still had 44 passing tds vs only 36 int in 2 years. With pretty solid team rushing stats. He never had playmakers like the Skins do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Like I said in the other thread: 3 this year and 7 total in his whole career. Yup that is A LOT of fumbles. :doh::doh: at you. Witten has 3 in his career, Gates has 2, old man Tony Gonzales has 6. 7 is a ton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valenski Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 After reading this i can't wait to see Zorn go...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeueRedskinWelle Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 :doh: at you. Witten has 3 in his career, Gates has 2, old man Tony Gonzales has 6. 7 is a ton. My boy Tony G: 900 receptions only 6 fumbles, 2 lost. Sick. Sorry Cooley, I retract my statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 It's not about sure-handed ness, it's about ball security. When he runs after the catch and makes contact with defenders, he frequently forgets to put two arms on the ball. Cooley is definitely a bright spot, but 2 lost fumbles are too many for a player of his caliber. Cooley fumbles because he fights so hard to prevent from going down. There will be three guys on him, one of them just going for the ball, and Cooley will fight to stay up and gain extra yards. It is one of those good with the bad things, it is good that he gets the extra yards and fights to stay up, but that means extra chance to strip the ball when he is mostly stopped and working on his second effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 :doh: at you. Witten has 3 in his career, Gates has 2, old man Tony Gonzales has 6. 7 is a ton. pwned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I certainly agree that the one comparison of Spurrier and Zorn that sticks is the flakiness. And I used to think them as similar coaches. Then I reviewed Spurriers stats. Holy cow did Spurrier do a lot with absolutely nothing on offense. He had No RBs, No Wr and No QBs and still had 44 passing tds vs only 36 int in 2 years. With pretty solid team rushing stats. He never had playmakers like the Skins do now. Well, he didn't want the playmakers either, he hired an all florida staff, and was set to have Danny Werful as his starter untill Snyder insisted that he atleast get Shane Matthews. Same for RBs and WRs. He had Stephen Davis, but didn't use him, and his WR were Florida guys, but the only ones that produced were leftovers from Marty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinz4Life12 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 i love how this thread turned into a cooley fumbilitis discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsWizCubsDukes Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 The reason those guys are in the ProBowl is because of our hot start and all the Redskins fans voting. Zorn is either blowing smoke or he is truly an idiot. As for receiving if we win the toss, that is so stupid. Why would you not trust your defense. Especially against a team like the Bengals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnFoRcEr_uPu Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Okay I'm done! Time to move on from this one...get Cowher, Williams or even Gruden on the phone...this junk has gone on long enough! And that's exactly why this team is never going to be good. Things start to look ugly for a bit and everyone wants a new coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins PR Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Cooley fumbles because he fights so hard to prevent from going down. There will be three guys on him, one of them just going for the ball, and Cooley will fight to stay up and gain extra yards. It is one of those good with the bad things, it is good that he gets the extra yards and fights to stay up, but that means extra chance to strip the ball when he is mostly stopped and working on his second effort. None of his fumbles look like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 And that's exactly why this team is never going to be good. Things start to look ugly for a bit and everyone wants a new coach. It's the fact that this team's regression has been so drastic it has been almost Spurrieresque and Zorn seems like he isn't paying attention to his own flaws. Pointing to the pro-bowlers as a measufring stick as to how the offense is doing is rather flawed. If the team shows signs of life these last two games..hey I am all in favor of keeping him and admitting I was wrong about letting him go...but if they're sleepwalking like they have been the last few games...case-closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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