Kilmer17 Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 http://www.msnbc.com/news/900783.asp?0cv=CA01 I like how the Terrorstinians claim he has a pass from the Oslo accords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 First, I don't know enough about this story other than what I just read, after he is interrogated I'm sure more info will come out that will either confirm or deny any ties he might have with Saddam. But, just because he is in Iraq doesn't mean that there are ties... Wouldn't you agree that there are probably Al Quaeda operatives in the US right now? Or what about Britian or France or Germany...?? Being there doen't confirm a connection with the government. BUT... If it's true, and I'll say it well could be, I'm sure the interrogations will bring it out... we'll stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 16, 2003 Author Share Posted April 16, 2003 Yes we can Code. Saddams regime ruled with an iron fist. They knew everyone that was in the country. They didnt have the freedom of anonimity (sp?) we have in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 I won't beat a dead horse in the ground, but I just can't imagine that Saddam knew who and where every person in his country was... I'll leave it at that. But I am not discounting the story... I believe the military or Bush will address the nation when absolute proof of WMD or terrorist connections are found. Cause everyone is dying to hear about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 16, 2003 Author Share Posted April 16, 2003 I just can't imagine that Saddam knew who and where every person in his country was... I'll leave it at that. Then he could be innocent of just about anything. If not him, then someone in his regime knew about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Code, Have to disagree completely with you on this one. Now, remember, I'm the guy who stated (and still states) Saddam did not have significant ties to Al Quaeda, and that the Al Ansar camp in the Kurdish enlcave by the Iranian border was out of his reach. But,... It has long been documented that Saddam has given refuge and support to the Abu Nidal group, of which Abbas was the 2nd in command. Iraq's official newspaper printed a long article following the suicide of Nidal in Baghdad. Furthermore, Saddam was funneling hundreds of thousands of dollars to Hamas suicide bombers using Abbas as his go-between. To claim that Saddam might not have known about him being in his country is therefore pretty f#$cking ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Like I said, I'm not saying that the article isn't true, I'll just wait till there is an "official" announcement or finding by the admin. There have been way too many false positives so far. Either the military or Bush will give their findings at some point, probably a national address. The whole basis for the was is based on WMD and Al Quaeda ties, they will be more than happy to share that with us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 It is well documented that many Shiite factions still operate inside of Iraq. These factions despise Hussien and even shot his son Uday 14 times. Some have been executed, but he could not get to all. Many survived and continue to operate. Like Code said, being in a country does not confirm that the governors of that country support thier actions. By the way, I DO think Saddam has connections to terrorists, but many who oppose the war never disputed that, they disputed a direct connection to 9/11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Saddam knowing about everyone in his country - Does that include the US operatives that were spies? You know, the ones that keep telling us that Saddam was in a certain place at a certain time. You think Saddam knew about them too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted April 16, 2003 Author Share Posted April 16, 2003 Then he has an out for everything. Either he is responsible for the happenings in his country or he is not. Otherwise their will always be an excuse that he didnt know. When we find the WMDs, you can claim he didnt know about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gmac61 Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 http://www.rense.com/general37/UScapturesAbuAbbas.htm Here's an an article giving a few more details on what's been going on lately with Abbas. While I definitely think he should stand trial, it doesn't look like anybody was working too hard to catch this guy lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Fine, but he does not know "everyone that was in country". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Wait a minute guys!!! While I still reject that Saddam had ANY significant ties to 9/11 or Al Quaeda, if you don't think he was actively supporting the Abu Nidal group, you are grossly misinformed. Again, Iraq's own official newspaper run by Saddam's son wrote articles praising Abu Nidal and gloating over his presence in Baghdad. Not some remote area of the country, but Baghdad! There's no way around this. This isn't stuff just popping out now, it's been common knowledge for several years, going back to the Clinton administration. Saddam has been regularly funneling money over to Hamas, which is probably why Hamas said it would begin targeting Americans if we invaded. How can any rational human being not know that Saddam knew about Abbas and the rest of the Nidal organization, when they were living in Baghdad, and Saddam's family paper wrote several editorials acknowledging their presence and praising them??? When Saddam claimed Iraqi soldiers discovered Nidal's body after his supposed suicide? U.S. intelligence has stated repeatedly that Abbas was the go-between for Saddam and Hamas. All that is old news, not some recent rumor to go with his capture. Next, you guys will be telling me we really don't know who hijacked the Achille Lauro or if Arabs attacked the WTC; it might all be misinformation. :doh: :doh: :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Thank you Riggo for clearing pointing out that it doesnt have to be an all or nothing approach like Kilmer has repeatedly suggested. Its quite possible that Al Queda operatives operated from within Iraq without Saddam's knowledge (or approval or diapproval). Correct me if I am wrong. bus Bin Laden and Hussein hated each other right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 But whether or not he knew about Al Queda it does appear that he acknowledged and approved (and funded) Chemical Ali and Nidal's groups. Saddam was/is an evil dictator who needed to be removed. Now, if we could just keep moving west towards North Korea (thats where the real threat comes from, IMHO). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Riggo.. no problem with you post. TEG...From what I have read, YES, Bin Laden and Saddam have hated each other in the past. Bin Laden has refered to Saddam as an Infidel. Also, great post TEG... to think that Saddam can keep tabs on everyone is crazy. If that were true, what about the spies? I would bet any amount of money that there are terrorists right here in the US right now.. does that mean Bush is harboring terrorists??? Isn't our CIA the best intelligence gathering agency in the world??? Shouldn't they know were all the terrorists are if Saddam can keep tabs on everyone in his country??? :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 For the record, Bin Laden's conversion from US ally to US nemesis began with the first Gulf War. Bin Laden wanted to fight the war against Iraq with his own mujahadeen (those who had fought the Soviets in Afghanistan). The Saudi family refused, preferring instead to go with the US. Ol' Binny believed the House of Saud was thus corrupt, decadent, and a blasphemy against Islam for inviting infidels on to the land of Mohammed (aka "the country of the two holy cities" as he likes to call Saudi Arabia). When US troops remained on Saudi soil even after the war was over, that's when he decided to take us on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Originally posted by riggo-toni For the record, Bin Laden's conversion from US ally to US nemesis began with the first Gulf War. Bin Laden wanted to fight the war against Iraq with his own mujahadeen (those who had fought the Soviets in Afghanistan). The Saudi family refused, preferring instead to go with the US. Ol' Binny believed the House of Saud was thus corrupt, decadent, and a blasphemy against Islam for inviting infidels on to the land of Mohammed (aka "the country of the two holy cities" as he likes to call Saudi Arabia). When US troops remained on Saudi soil even after the war was over, that's when he decided to take us on. Hey, a little off topic, did you see the movie "The Beast"?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 No, what was it about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 It was about the Soviet/Afghan war... a soviet tank gets lost and a group of mujahdeen (sorry for the spelling) is after them... it reminded me of Platoon, desert style..:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Originally posted by codeorama (sorry for the spelling) No worries, dude. I don't think there's an Arabic word yet that doesn't have at least half a dozen ways to spell it. i.e. is it... Quaddafi Gaddafi Ghaddafi Qadafi etc. I've seen the other word spelled mujahadeen mujahidin mujiheddin and on and on...... and are they Muslims or Moslems? is it Muhammed, Mohammed, Mohamet? and is it the Koran or the Quran? you get the idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted April 16, 2003 Share Posted April 16, 2003 Originally posted by riggo-toni No worries, dude. I don't think there's an Arabic word yet that doesn't have at least half a dozen ways to spell it. i.e. is it... Quaddafi Gaddafi Ghaddafi Qadafi etc. I've seen the other word spelled mujahadeen mujahidin mujiheddin and on and on...... and are they Muslims or Moslems? is it Muhammed, Mohammed, Mohamet? and is it the Koran or the Quran? you get the idea... WEW... I thought it was just me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted April 17, 2003 Share Posted April 17, 2003 "Bin Laden and Hussein hated each other right" THE ENEMY OF MY ENEMY IS MY FRIEND Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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