Oldfan Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 As a running back, I give Ladell Betts a C+ grade. As a receiver, he is outstanding for a running back. I give him an A. On most downs in a Coryell offense, the RB position requires a better runner and a better blocker on protection schemes. Portis fits the scheme better than Ladell. The WCO, however, with mostly shorter drops by the QB and more use of the RB in the pass patterns, fits Ladell's skills very well. Another factor is that defenses are now having a LB at the LOS read the RB. If he stays in to pass protect, the LB blitzes. When they do this, keeping the RB in only draws another defender on the blitz. So, using the RB as an outlet receiver is the better call. Also, Jim Zorn has already mentioned the possibility of a package that gets Clinton and Ladell on the field at the same time. When you put all this together, I think it's likely that Ladell Betts will get more touches than he has in the past and lead the team in combined yardage this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouvan59 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 McD5 sprinting to his computer with morning-wood screaming "Can I get an 'Amen!!!'" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSkins Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 if Betts has a "career year" it's because portis got hurt or received less touches. Is that a good thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKIN4WAHOOZ Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 TRADE him...keep mason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mania Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Ladell Betts should have a very good year this year in the passing game. I don't see him surpassing the 1000 yards he had too seasons ago when he was the starter for half the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 if Betts has a "career year" it's because portis got hurt or received less touches. Is that a good thing? Portis getting injured is not part of my analysis. When we are likely to want a receiver in the pattern, I'd rather have Betts on the field because he's better at it. I think Portis will get fewer carries this year. This approach would likely extend his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 When you put all this together, I think it's likely that Ladell Betts will get more touches than he has in the past and lead the team in combined yardage this year. ____________________________ More touches than in the past? I see an amount more than last year but less than 2006. Portis if playing well can do it all, he can catch as well. Unless Portis gets hurt(God forbid) I don't see Ladell being a huge factor although more touches than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Portis getting injured is not part of my analysis. When we are likely to want a receiver in the pattern, I'd rather have Betts on the field because he's better at it. I think Portis will get fewer carries this year. This approach would likely extend his career. I agree with that in general, but Portis is no slouch in terms of catching the ball out of the backfield. This gets him in space as was used fairly effectively last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 TRADE him...keep mason! I think we'll find a way to keep four RBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 When you put all this together, I think it's likely that Ladell Betts will get more touches than he has in the past and lead the team in combined yardage this year. If you were to put this to a bet, you would get almost as many takers as those who jumped on the MassSkins_Fan's bet about the Skins getting less than 4 wins. Barring injury to Portis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoRUSupposed2Be Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 Portis getting injured is not part of my analysis. When we are likely to want a receiver in the pattern, I'd rather have Betts on the field because he's better at it. I think Portis will get fewer carries this year. This approach would likely extend his career. I think this is also what Jim Zorn is banking on also. So does that mean that they're both "interchangable" as Gibbs once stated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayAction Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I've always been a Betts fan. I think you are a bit harsh in your grading of him as a C+ runner. He starts half the season and gets 1000 yards. You might say that the OL gets most of the credit but I think Betts should get a higher grade. He didn't do much last year but really didn't get any opportunity. As a runner Betts needs to establish a rythym. The more carries he gets the better he runs. Zorn has finally admitted that he's going to have a problem with getting all of his playmakers on the field as much as they would like. Cooley doesn't want to ever come off the field. If Zorn is trying to juggle 3 TEs with varying skills and 5 WRs how often do you think we really will see both Portis and Betts in the backfield? Not much IMO - unless they try that formation and it turns out to be wildly successful. In contrast, I've never been a real Portis fan. I know he does well in pass blocking but he's never been as dominant in running as his contract would suggest. I think (and hope) that Portis was never utilized effectively by Gibbs. If he can revert to the back he was in Denver then everyone will be happy including Betts - I think Portis averaged 20 touches per game with Denver so that should leave at least 11-12 for Betts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 If you were to put this to a bet, you would get almost as many takers as those who jumped on the MassSkins_Fan's bet about the Skins getting less than 4 wins. Barring injury to Portis. I doubt that, but I don't feel the need to prove anything. If you don't agree with my analysis, tell me why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nace14 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 it would be great if he did have a career year; however, he has to touch the ball in order to have that and it won't happen. also, teams won't be putting 8 and 9 in the box against us any more with a west coast offense, so it really doesn't help to have him in over portis at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cooley4President Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I agree that he'll have a better year than most expect, but I don't think he'll lead the team in yards from scrimmage. We all know that Betts is the better receiver and Portis the better runner, but it's not like we'll just have Betts in on passing downs because they'll be able to key off him and know it's a pass. He may have something like 400 rushing yards and 400 receiving yards, and if he does, that'll be a good year from a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoRUSupposed2Be Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I've always been a Betts fan. I think you are a bit harsh in your grading of him as a C+ runner. He starts half the season and gets 1000 yards. You might say that the OL gets most of the credit but I think Betts should get a higher grade. He didn't do much last year but really didn't get any opportunity. As a runner Betts needs to establish a rythym. The more carries he gets the better he runs. Zorn has finally admitted that he's going to have a problem with getting all of his playmakers on the field as much as they would like. Cooley doesn't want to ever come off the field. If Zorn is trying to juggle 3 TEs with varying skills and 5 WRs how often do you think we really will see both Portis and Betts in the backfield? Not much IMO - unless they try that formation and it turns out to be wildly successful. In contrast, I've never been a real Portis fan. I know he does well in pass blocking but he's never been as dominant in running as his contract would suggest. I think (and hope) that Portis was never utilized effectively by Gibbs. If he can revert to the back he was in Denver then everyone will be happy including Betts - I think Portis averaged 20 touches per game with Denver so that should leave at least 11-12 for Betts. I think that OldFan nailed it when he said that this new "offense" should decimate the wear on Portis' body as he continues to age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuryYourDuke Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I had a dream last night we traded Betts to New York for a couple of linebackers I had never heard of. Haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I doubt that, but I don't feel the need to prove anything. If you don't agree with my analysis, tell me why. I am a big Betts fan, but I just don't think he will get that sizable a chunk of playing time to lead the team in combined yardage. He'll come in for a change of pace, to spell Portis, and sometimes as a 3rd down back. But I think Zorn will use Portis in the mode you envision for Betts. Portis is underrated as a pass catcher, and besides, the types or passes he'll be asked to catch in this offense will be swing passes not much more challenging than glorified laterals. Portis had more than twice as many catches and receiving yards (47/389) last year as Betts (21/174), and 1262 rushing yards vs. Betts' 335. Even with the new coaching regime, I don't see Betts' role increasing so drastically that he'll lead the team in overall yardage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 If you were to put this to a bet, you would get almost as many takers as those who jumped on the MassSkins_Fan's bet about the Skins getting less than 4 wins. Barring injury to Portis. I doubt it, Dan. Do you think it's that much of a longshot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 More touches than in the past? I see an amount more than last year but less than 2006. Portis if playing well can do it all, he can catch as well. Unless Portis gets hurt(God forbid) I don't see Ladell being a huge factor although more touches than last year. You might be right about that. I had forgotten that he got nine starts that year. Seemed to me it was six. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I doubt it, Dan. Do you think it's that much of a longshot? That Ladell Betts leads the team in combined yardage, barring injury to Portis? Yes, I think that's a longshot. No where near as big a longshot as MSF's silly bet, but a longshot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 I think this is also what Jim Zorn is banking on also. So does that mean that they're both "interchangable" as Gibbs once stated? No, I think the WCO brings them closer together, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cphil006 Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I think Betts will see more touches than previous yeras when Clinton was healthy. I think Clinton will run more efficiently (higher YPC) yielding less touches, but the same yards... around 1300 as previous seasons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted August 14, 2008 Share Posted August 14, 2008 I agree with that Dan.I too, believe that C.P. is a better receiver than many give him credit for being. If memory serves, Coach Zorn has implied that C.P. will have an even more active part in the passing offense than he has in the past. And recent comments by C.P. also have implied he will do so,(or at least he believes he will). While I do believe we'll see more from Ladell than we have in the past,(couple of years ago not withstanding), I don't believe he'll equal that season in attempts and yards rushing. Could be we may see a few more receptions, but that's a tough one there. Based on what I said earlier, with C.P. possibly playing a more active role in the passing offense, Ladell could just as easily see his receptions drop. I do believe that with both those guys in there at the same time, it will present some very tough match ups for the defense and of course, some tough decisions to be made by the defenses on what to do about it. Now that could be an interesting time to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldfan Posted August 14, 2008 Author Share Posted August 14, 2008 I've always been a Betts fan. I think you are a bit harsh in your grading of him as a C+ runner. Maybe I just grade tougher than you. I dropped Portis from a B+ to a B last year when he fumbled too often. If Zorn is trying to juggle 3 TEs with varying skills and 5 WRs how often do you think we really will see both Portis and Betts in the backfield? It depends on how well our rookie receivers do. If they do well, we won't see the Portis and Betts package much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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