Skinsinparadise Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=19792 Chris (Bethesda, MD): Now that the Redskins actually have some draft picks, should they choose a WR like Sweed or Kelly in the 1st round and get some DL help in the 2nd? Or should they look to drafting a DE in the 1st and take advantage of this draft's WR depth by using their 2nd round pick on one? Todd McShay: (12:21 PM ET ) I think it depends on which DL is available when they pick at 21. Chris Long and Vernon Gholston should be long gone. Derrick Harvey is unlikely to be available as well. Phillip Merling from Clemson is a possibility, but only if Wash is comfortable with his medical at that point. If not, there's no DT I would take at that point, including DT Kentwan Balmer. So it would make sense to go WR if no DL of value is around. They could wind up with the top WR on their board (Sweed, Kelly, Thomas?) in Round 1, and then they could find a pass-rush specialist like Cliff Avril in Round 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rm8899 Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I'm sure i'll get blasted for saying this, but if there's no solid WR or DT/DE such as McShay says i'd go with someone to add some youth to our O Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbnva Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 OL is going to be a big issue this year and should be addressed, because of all of the patchwork we had to do last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 20, 2008 Author Share Posted March 20, 2008 I'm sure i'll get blasted for saying this, but if there's no solid WR or DT/DE such as McShay says i'd go with someone to add some youth to our O Line. I doubt you get blasted, Branden Albert OG is quickly becoming a cult figure on this board, its kind of funny. Personally, I am a bit wary of a WR in the first round, the draft geeks think for the most part all those guys have holes and aren't bona fide stud first rounders. Since I am not a scout all I can do is go by the reports I read. They could be wrong of course. I'd look CB and D line if someone falls. Otherwise, I'd be cool with Albert. I don't want to reach for anybody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer5500 Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Hasn't Cerrato already said the first round WR talent isn't worth a 1st round pick but he likes the Receivers in the 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 20, 2008 Author Share Posted March 20, 2008 Hasn't Cerrato already said the first round WR talent isn't worth a 1st round pick but he likes the Receivers in the 3rd? I don't think he said that, what you are probably remembering is on Redskins lunch Larry Michael gave his take of what he'd do and said he's take a WR in the first, then he want D line and I forgot what the third position he choose and Cerrato said he was on the mark but not necessarily in that order. Cerrato also has said he likes the idea of trading down becuase its a deep draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawyer5500 Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I don't think he said that, what you are probably remembering is on Redskins lunch Larry Michael gave his take of what he'd do and said he's take a WR in the first, then he want D line and I forgot what the third position he choose and Cerrato said he was on the mark but not necessarily in that order.Cerrato also has said he likes the idea of trading down becuase its a deep draft Oh i see. I would love to trade down and rebuild the lines or take that guard Albert that everyone likes all of a sudden. I frankly think we don't even need a receiver that badly. I think we can find a big, solid receiver on day 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINS FAN #56 Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I agree with what McShay is saying. If we can't find a solid DL and guys like Sweed or Kelly are available, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSabbath Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Branden Albert OG is quickly becoming a cult figure on this board, its kind of funny. He's becoming a cult figure on every TV station, Blog, and Mock Draft out there. And for good reason... MAN i hope he's still there @ #21 so we can have him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 20, 2008 Author Share Posted March 20, 2008 He's becoming a cult figure on every TV station, Blog, and Mock Draft out there. And for good reason... MAN i hope he's still there @ #21 so we can have him Really? No sarcasm implied dude but can you give me some examples. it's certainly not with the ESPN guys, he's not shooting through the roof with McShay or Kiper. I got 5 draft magazines, 3 of which say he's not even worthy of a first round pick. I check out the web blogs too I haven't been catching that big Albert buzz. The big buzz that I noticed seems to be on this board and an article from a local Fredericksburg paper. Find me a mock draft with him going before the 23rd? That's not a dare am just curious because I've been missing it and I thought am all over what's going on with the mocks so perhaps there are some web sites I am missing and if so I'd love to see them. Edit: I just checked scout.com -- Albert is ranked as the 28th best player. Bottom of the first. Look am not saying these guys are right the point we are debating is are the draft geeks going nuts over Albert. They seem to like him but they aren't going crazy for this guy by and large. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veretax Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 First off McShay is an idiot, he acts like he knows what he's talking about but he really doesnt. That having been said... Hasn't Cerrato already said the first round WR talent isn't worth a 1st round pick but he likes the Receivers in the 3rd? I belive his exact words is 2-3 Rounds are where the value at WR is this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sideshow24 Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I'm sure i'll get blasted for saying this, but if there's no solid WR or DT/DE such as McShay says i'd go with someone to add some youth to our O Line. I think you will get the opposite reaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thoth Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I'm sure i'll get blasted for saying this, but if there's no solid WR or DT/DE such as McShay says i'd go with someone to add some youth to our O Line. You are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR.DIRTY30 Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 only if it is a brandon albert from uva or maybe the kid from boston college both have alot of upsides..... the guy from boston college absolutely dominated lawrence jackson from usc at the senior bowl practices i mean dominated him... i see stephon heyer as more of a guard in the nfl than a tackle. lets be honest guys our o-line is old i would not mind making a trade out of the first round a grabbing more players in the draft cause it doesn't look like we are signing any free agents... i just wis we would made a move on jared gaither from umd during the supplemental draft last yr would of only given upa 5th rd. pick.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever21 Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Hasn't Cerrato already said the first round WR talent isn't worth a 1st round pick but he likes the Receivers in the 3rd? Yeah but that could and hopefully is a smoke screen. GM's don't tell the truth to anyone until they send that piece of paper up to the commish to announce the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twobags95 Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Tood knows his stuff better than Mel. I would like to see ESPN have them have a pick off at the draft. Looser looses their job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSabbath Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Most of the Mock Drafts (which don't even matter because they're made by people like you and me) have him going at #23 (like you said). I would consider that to be "rising stock" compared with most of the magazines that say 2nd round or something... So, considering there's still 40 days until the draft, if his stock keeps rising he could jump into the top 20. There aren't any mocks that show him there RIGHT NOW, but I am just speculating that, as the buzz around him grows, he could move up. :2cents: Hell, Mayock said he was in the top 10 for overall prospect talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 20, 2008 Author Share Posted March 20, 2008 Most of the Mock Drafts (which don't even matter because they're made by people like you and me) have him going at #23 (like you said). I would consider that to be "rising stock" compared with most of the magazines that say 2nd round or something...So, considering there's still 40 days until the draft, if his stock keeps rising he could jump into the top 20. There aren't any mocks that show him there RIGHT NOW, but I am just speculating that, as the buzz around him grows, he could move up. :2cents: Hell, Mayock said he was in the top 10 for overall prospect talent. As I said, I am not debating the value of mocks, just talking about the buzz with the draft geeks. You mean the buzz on this board will filter to the NFL and his stock will grow? I do agree that he has a lot of buzz on this board if that's your main point. Agree that he started as a 2nd rounder and is now a late first rounder. But that's been the case for awhile, he hasn't made the next climb. You say its coming but I don't see how someone at this point so close to the draft is going to make such a major move, barring injury. Take Cromartie for example, now that's a guy who got hot. He moved from a high 2nd to a high first, 8-15. NFL.com just did an article about the weakest draft positions and included guard what they said about Albert is the Steelers would be chancing it by not taking him with the 23rd becuase the Chargers and Seahawks after them might take him. But again that's late first round. I've yet to see ANYBODY mention him going higher than that. Scout.com has him ranked as the #28 best player McShay #23 in his mock Kiper #23 """ Profootball Weekly -- late first, early 2nd Got 3 other magazines I don't feel like looking for had him either late first or 2nd, one had him in the third I think that was Sporting News. As for the popular web sites football's future -- doesn't make the cut for the first round NFL Draft Countdown: #23 NFL Daily -- doesn't make the cut off for the first round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I want Albert. I want a big beefy O-line. Chris Samuels has been the best draft pick the Redskins have made in a long, long time. He has played at an elite level for so long now, we have gotten quite qa return on that investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinSabbath Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I want Albert. I want a big beefy O-line. Chris Samuels has been the best draft pick the Redskins have made in a long, long time. He has played at an elite level for so long now, we have gotten quite qa return on that investment. I thought his interview on ESPN was funny. "This has been a great experience. Not many others have been able to experience this experience" http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3269367 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dick Edds Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 I want Albert. I want a big beefy O-line. Chris Samuels has been the best draft pick the Redskins have made in a long, long time. He has played at an elite level for so long now, we have gotten quite qa return on that investment. totally agree ... we can quibble over subjective mock draft opinions, BPA, what round players are projected in by such and such a magazine or website and what other possible teams are interested in said player. But the bottom line is ALbert is one of the, if not the, top OL prospects in this draft outside of Jake Long (who is def a top 10 pick). Add that to the fact that he would not have to start immediately, and we would have time to help develop him, that is a plus and the best way to maximize and ensure you get good value out of your #1 draft pick. Albert is versatile and he would help bring in quality young depth on the OL ... there is no denying out OL is getting old and is expensive. Look, he may not be the biggest beast of all time, but do we want to throw a rookie into the starting lineup ... at WR or anywhere on the defense with that pick? It's about gaging the future needs of the team with our present options. Again, our OL is old, we need more younger guys like Heyer with starting potential that are not demanding 16 million dollar signing bonus'. We can't rely on the Fabini's and Wades to get us through the season anymore. If anything Buges has proven that with some raw talent, he can develop them into solid players. It's harder to do that with older OL'man who have been in the league and are already set in their ways and are jumping from team to team because they are just not quite good enough to be starters anywhere else. Albert at #21, to me at least, represents the best value for what we will pay at that spot, and for our future. Though, I would not be opposed to trading down for more draft picks in the 2nd or 3rd. This draft needs to be about maximizing each pick to the fullest, not reaching and suffering financially because a player turns out to be a bust or can't stay healthy. And judging by Albert's track record, the fact that he played for a former NFL coach, the fact that our OL coach seems to like the kid's potential, and that adds up to a logical choice for me. But what do I know, I'm just a desk jockey. I'll reiterate, I'm not opposed to taking a WR in the first round or trading down for that matter. But I am against shunning payers just because of their "mock" rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsinparadise Posted March 20, 2008 Author Share Posted March 20, 2008 But the bottom line is ALbert is one of the, if not the, top OL prospects in this draft outside of Jake Long (who is def a top 10 pick). . Agree with everything you said but this. the draft geeks don't mention Albert in the same breath as the top 4-5 OT prospects. Then you start talking about Albert. Albert is the best OG prospect but no one even remotely is saying he's the best OL after Long. If he were he'd easily go top 10 considering he can play tackle as well as guard. Beyond Long. Clady, Otah, Baker and Chris Williams tend to go before Albert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Edds Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 Agree with everything you said but this. the draft geeks don't mention Albert in the same breath as the top 4-5 OT prospects. Then you start talking about Albert. Albert is the best OG prospect but no one even remotely is saying he's the best OL after Long. If he were he'd easily go top 10 considering he can play tackle as well as guard.Beyond Long. Clady, Otah, Baker and Chris Williams tend to go before Albert. good catch, I was referring to the OG position specifically, but was talking OT in another discussion, and confusing that with the fact that he can play OT as well. Apologies for not being more specific. But I do stand by my point, that the mocks have been just as wrong about plenty of top draft prospects at all positions. I am solely basing my opinions of Albert off of his production in college, who he was coached under, his athletic ability and size and versatility, etc. with our current OL situation and needs. There is always a possibility that he could turn out to be an injury riddled bust, but the odds of that happening are slimmer IMO (again, just a guess). I don't know as much about the other players, but I watched a lot of Brandon Albert and feel pretty good about him. That being said, I am just a desk jockey. I'd be happy if we took any OL'man for that matter. I just think we really need to address that area, instead of just waiting till round 5, 6 or 7 ... and hoping one of those players can even make the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 20, 2008 Share Posted March 20, 2008 This guy is as predictable as NOAA trying to forecast the weather a week from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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