Jagsbch Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 But in Keeping with the tradition of war... We are either going to attack tomorrow or Sunday. Thats my guess what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKurp Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 I doubt the war will start as long as the moon is showing, especially given the fact that we've yet to receive permission to launch from Turkey. Which means of course that we'll have to airlift personnel into Iraq, something you wouldn't want to do under any light. I think the moon disappears sometime after March 26. That's my guess for war initiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydean Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 it sounds like it will be AT LEAST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydean Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 it sounds like it will be AT LEAST monday before anything happens. but expect it to be a "quiet, swift, butt kicking." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 14, 2003 Author Share Posted March 14, 2003 March 26? Na the debrix field threat starts the 24th or so. Look our Gov. knows about this socalled debrix field, and are quite aware that they must act yesterday. Now that all diplomatic efforts have failed and the pentegon has given the green thumb. we are all over this thing. Green thumb is up regardless of Turkey. Turkey will have no other choice but support us after the first shot. Atleast thats what I think. It's like having to sell your ticket after the first quarter starts or just be holding a worthless piece of paper ya know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 The ground phase wont start until it's a new moon. But that doesnt mean the bombing raids wont begin soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tex Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 Kill them, kill them all. Just do it before April. If the war starts in April Jagsbch will be insufferable. Something to the effect that according to prophecy, if the war starts in April the world is doomed or something. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 14, 2003 Author Share Posted March 14, 2003 Will BE?:laugh: :laugh: LOL Like a it makes a difference when we go... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 won't be too long. The US is about to just say screw it to the new resoulution and the military preps are speeding up. Bush May Abandon U.N. Resolution WASHINGTON (March 13) - Forced into a diplomatic retreat, U.S. officials said Thursday that President Bush may delay a vote on his troubled U.N. resolution or even drop it - and fight Iraq without the international body's backing. France dismissed a compromise plan as an ''automatic recourse to war.'' Amid a swirl of recrimination and 11th-hour posturing, the White House began planning for a possible overseas meeting this weekend between President Bush and his two staunchest allies on Iraq, British Prime Mininster Tony Blair and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar. Senior U.S. officials said the meeting, tentatively planned for a neutral nation overseas, would allow the leaders to review final diplomatic and military strategies. The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said all three leaders and the host nation had not signed off on the summit Thursday night, and there would be no final word on the prospects for a meeting before Friday. News of the meeting first surfaced Thursday morning, but officials said planning had stopped only to confirm hours later that talks had begun again. Early in the day, U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan raised the possibility of a global summit ''to get us out of this crisis.'' The government of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein exulted in the diplomatic tumult over a U.S.-British backed resolution that would demand that Iraq disarm by Monday. The allies ''have lost the round before it starts while we, along with well-intentioned powers in the world, have won it,'' the popular daily Babil, owned by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's son, Odai, said in a front-page editorial. Bush spent a fourth day on the telephone, consulting leaders of Britain, Bulgaria, South Korea, Poland, El Salvador and Norway. The U.S. diplomatic drive was centered on Chile and Mexico, both members of the U.N. Security Council, a senior administration official said. Their support would ensure the United States of the minimum nine votes need for adoption of the resolution. But France's threat to veto is taken seriously, and the administration may decide not to give France the chance by withdrawing the resolution, the official said on condition of anonymity. Bush was ready to drop the resolution, several aides said, if British Prime Minister Tony Blair didn't want it put to a vote. The president has pushed for a U.N. vote thus far out of respect for Blair, whose support of Bush has drawn severe criticism in Britain. Trouble loomed at every diplomatic turn. Irish Prime Minister Bertie Ahern, visiting Bush at the White House, said, ''If there is not a resolution, Ireland cannot engage in support of military action, because we work under the U.N. resolution.'' Bush sent a letter to incoming Turkish Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Vice President Dick Cheney called the leader in hopes of securing permission to invade Iraq through Turkey. Hours later, Navy ships armed with Tomahawk missiles were told to move out of the Mediterranean into the Red Sea, a move that indicates weakening U.S. confidence that Turkey will grant overflight rights for U.S. planes and missiles. In Baghdad, the Iraqi government rejected a British compromise plan that would list six disarmament requirements Baghdad would have to meet or else face ''serious consequences.'' Bush had signaled he would be willing to push back the March 17 deadline seven or 10 days if the gesture would help Blair. Russia said it would consider the plan. China said it doubted the plan could lead to consensus. The French dismissed the effort outright, sparking a trans-Atlantic shouting match. ''We cannot accept the British proposals insofar as they are part of a logic of war, a logic of automatic recourse to war,'' said French Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin. White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said of France: ''They rejected it before Iraq rejected it. If that isn't an unreasonable veto, what is?'' Bush, meanwhile, backpedaled on his pledge to have a U.N. vote by Friday. Fleischer told reporters a tally could slip beyond the weekend. Several top administration officials said a growing number of advisers believe the resolution is doomed and they want the president to cut his losses and withdraw it. Others still hold out hope for the measure. The officials, all of whom spoke on condition of anonymity, agreed that a key is whether Blair wants Bush to give diplomacy more time. Bush and his advisers debated Thursday whether to press forward with the vote or withdraw the measure and pivot quickly to war footing. Bush has long planned to address the nation shortly after the U.N. debate is resolved and give Saddam a final ultimatum, perhaps including a deadline, for war. ''We are still talking to members of the council to see what is possible,'' Secretary of State Colin Powell said. ''The options remain, go for a vote and see what members say or not go for a vote.'' That's a change of policy since last week, when Bush said he wanted U.N. members to ''show their cards'' even if that meant the measure failed. The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, John Negroponte, didn't call for a vote Friday and diplomats doubted one would be called for Saturday. In London, Iain Duncan Smith, leader of the opposition Conservative Party, emerged from a meeting with Blair to say the prime minister believed war was more likely because ''the French have become completely intransigent.'' Powell, testifying on Capitol Hill, said the ''day of reckoning is fast approaching'' for Iraq. *** http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21301-2003Mar13.html US Military Speeds Preparations for Iraq War Reuters Thursday, March 13, 2003; 3:11 PM By Charles Aldinger and Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Speeding preparations for a "shock and awe" war with Iraq, the Pentagon is moving B-2 stealth bombers and a dozen more missile-firing warships to the Gulf region, defense officials said on Thursday. The bat-wing, radar-avoiding B-2s, packing one of the biggest punches in America's military arsenal, began flying out of Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri on Wednesday night, a base spokesman said. Other defense officials told Reuters the Navy planned to move about a dozen missile-firing cruisers and destroyers from the eastern Mediterranean Sea to the Gulf region in coming days to join more than 60 other U.S. ships arrayed there against Iraq. The officials said the cruisers and destroyers, many carrying more than 100 long-range Tomahawk cruise missiles, would soon move through the Suez Canal into the Red Sea. "All are (missile) shooters," said one of the defense officials, who asked not to be identified. The ships and bombers, believed flying to Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, would be part of a massive "shock and awe" attack at the outset of any war against Iraq, using thousands of satellite-guided bombs and cruise missiles. Officials said there were no current plans to move the aircraft carriers USS Theodore Roosevelt or USS Harry Truman from the Mediterranean into the Gulf to join the carriers USS Abraham Lincoln, USS Kitty Hawk and USS Constellation. The bombers from the 509th Bomb Wing at Whiteman and the warships will join a massive potential attack force of more than 250,000 U.S. and British troops, hundreds of warplanes and dozens of ships already gathered in the Gulf region. HIGH-FLYING FIREPOWER Air Force Lt. Matt Hasson, the Whiteman spokesman, would not say how many B-2s had been sent or where they were would be based. But the high-tech bombers, each capable of carrying 16 satellite-guided 2,000-pound (900 kg) bombs, were believed headed for the Indian Ocean island of Diego Garcia. The Air Force has built special hangars on an air base at Diego Garcia as well as at the Royal Air Force Base at Fairford in the United Kingdom. Support crews for bombers began leaving Whiteman, where 21 B-2s are based, earlier this week. "We have deployed B-2s to the Central Command area of responsibility," Hasson said. "Last night we launched them." The B-2, originally developed for long-range missions in the Cold War, was not available in the 1991 Gulf War. Whiteman is the bombers' only base, where the first of the aircraft was delivered in 1993. The aircraft made its debut in combat operations in the Kosovo campaign in 1999. It flew nonstop all the way from its base in Missouri, attacked targets in Yugoslavia and returned to the base with the aid of aerial refueling. The B-2 also saw action in the opening three days of the war in Afghanistan launched weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States. The Air Force says the B-2 has four key characteristics: stealth, precision weapons, large payload and long range, making the warplane a real revolution in air warfare. It's low-observable, or "stealth," characteristics give it the ability to penetrate an enemy's most sophisticated defenses and threaten its most valued and heavily defended targets. The B-2s join a long list of Navy and Air Force warplanes already mobilized for possible war with Baghdad. The Pentagon on Feb. 3 sent F-117A "Nighthawk" stealth fighters to the region from Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico. The angular Nighthawk was the only western aircraft used to strike targets in heavily defended downtown Baghdad during the Gulf War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 14, 2003 Author Share Posted March 14, 2003 I can Just hear Bush's speech now... Our chips are on the table. The deck has been dealt, and we are holding 4 aces (Powel, Rumsfeld, Blair and Bush) and the King of Hearts (Jesus). We made the call and the UN folded. Now it's time to Cash in those chip's. As I speak Moab and Tomahawk are bearing Down on Baghdad. Our actions will be decisive our mission swift, Americas war on terror and the Axis of evil will not be roadblocked by the UN. The end of Terror and the Axis of evil can not come about by idle minds and idle nations. When there comes a time, when the whole world can not find refuge from terror, then that is the time to act until the terror of the axis of evil can find no refuge in this world. We have come to the realization that this war on civilization will not end, as long as the UN allows influences from the axis of evil to act as an obstacle towards the momentum and progress of this war effort to bring peace and civility back to the world. You cannot negotiate with terrorist that we know, but what is interesting and surprisingly alarming, we have also come to the conclusion that you cannot Negotiate with those influenced By the terrorist regiems of the axis of evil. Saddam’s Death Grip on the hearts of the people of Iraq, and on the region of the Gulf has got to be cut off. It is high time that the resonance of democracy and freedom destroy the tyranny that has been waged on the world, and even now has found it's way home to us in the form of the 911 horror. Terror has made the call, now it's time for us to answer. Our Proud Men and Women some sons and daughters of other servicemen who died so we could enjoy living in the prosperity of democracy, of freedom, and of liberty, are now ready and willing to Lay down their lives so their liberties and freedom, and the liberties and freedom of their children will not by tainted with the horror of terror. Freedom and liberty are possessed only by the blood of men and woman who are willing to make the ultimate sacrifise for it. Terror diminishes Liberty which diminishes freedom. Freedom is the heart of Democracy. Our men and Women are the freedom fighters of the world, and if the UN wants to stand back and allow freedom to be ditched to the way side, Then we have to step to the plate, and let the chips fall where they may. We have tasted freedom and like a dog who has tasted Blood, nothing else will do. The terrorists have unleashed the dogs of war when they threatened our freedom, now it's time to introduce them to the hounds of hell. Freedom may not be an interest to the UN, but it is an interest for the American People. The American people will not play Saddam’s game any more. Freedom is a life or death matter to the American people. The influence of Terror has tainted the UN to the point where it is a disfunctional entity. The American people will not be entangled in a bureaucratic web spun as a result of that influence. The American people are influenced by freedom, The American people are willing to make any sacrifises necessary to insure freedom and liberty for future generations. I like to close with Martin Luther's immortal words . “So help me God I can do no Other”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 case you haven't noticed....the war has already started......... what do you care Jags? you're on the sidelines doing nothing except enjoying the benefits.........:jerkoff: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 14, 2003 Author Share Posted March 14, 2003 Tony Blair and George Bush will meet in a neutral country this weekend to finalise their plans for war, it was reported today. Spanish leader Jose Maria Aznar will also attend the meeting if it goes ahead. Spain is backing British and American calls for a second UN resolution to sanction a US-led invasion of Iraq. The move is the latest development in the march to war and another signal time is short for diplomacy to solve the Gulf crisis. article So I see all three giving their speeches at the same time the attacks are taking place. WOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted March 14, 2003 Share Posted March 14, 2003 ...the pentegon has given the green thumb. Ready, set.....GARDEN!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted March 15, 2003 Share Posted March 15, 2003 Originally posted by Yusuf06 Ready, set.....GARDEN!!!!! :laugh: I'm still trying to figure out what the heck a 'debrix field' is??! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn X Posted March 15, 2003 Share Posted March 15, 2003 Jagsbch, you go out on a limb every time you attempt a coherent thought or an intelligible sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 15, 2003 Author Share Posted March 15, 2003 :laugh: :gus: :laugh: No matter how intelligable the form I use you can't say I don't try to get my point across Moment of Truth Is at hand By Paul Reynolds BBC News Online world affairs correspondent The carefully choreographed meeting in the Azores between George Bush, Tony Blair and Jose Maria Aznar is in effect a council of war. After deadlock, the "moment of truth" Officially, the line is that it will examine the possibility of taking diplomacy forward, and it could be that the Security Council will be offered one last and brief chance to reach agreement. But the reality is that the Council negotiations are getting nowhere, the United States is running out of patience, and "the moment of truth", as Mr Bush's National Security adviser Condoleezza Rice put it, is at hand. What "the moment of truth" means is the abandoning of the attempts to get the elusive second resolution and taking a decision to go to war. Such an announcement would need extremely delicate handling, especially by Mr Blair, who would have to explain why, despite his confident predictions, there was to be no new resolution and why war would be legal. Which is why this summit has been so carefully arranged. It did not actually have to be held at all - the telephone would have done just as well for decision-making. But consider the presentational advantages of the format for all concerned, particularly the British prime minister. By choosing the mid-Atlantic setting of the Azores, Tony Blair does not have to be seen running to the White House; Mr Bush tries to show that he is not directing it all from Washington; Mr Aznar gets his reward for co-sponsoring the resolution and provides another European figure to demonstrate that Britain is not alone on its side of the ocean. War 'not far off' And to further point up the co-ordinated nature of these events, there was the sudden announcement by Mr Bush on Friday that he was going to release the long delayed "road map" for negotiations leading to a Palestinian state. White House officials were even saying that the soon to be appointed Palestinian Prime Minister Abu Mazen, would be received by the President in due course. Thus the exposed flank of the American-British position was covered. Mr Bush's weekly radio address on Saturday added another indication that war is not far off. It was not the language of diplomacy... it was preparing people for war It was not the language of diplomacy - it was the language of preparing people for war. "We must recognise that some threats are so grave that they must be removed, even if it requires military force," he said. "Governments are now showing whether their stated commitment to liberty and security are words alone - or convictions they are prepared to act upon." Mr Aznar, whose right-wing views have made him a willing ally in this crisis, added his own comment: 'Not morally acceptable' "Not acting to rid the world of weapons of mass destruction is neither politically nor morally acceptable," he said. Spain, though, has sent no troops to help enforce this principle. The UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw, who will be reluctant to admit that there will be a war until five minutes before it happens, has said that it is now "more probable". American troops are ready to go With such words being uttered in advance, there appears to be little doubt about the outcome. Indeed, we learn that the White House speechwriters have already started work on Mr Bush's address in which he will tell the American people that they are going to war. Even the Azores have a symbolic significance - they are owned by Portugal, Britain's oldest ally. The historically and literary minded will recall another event there involving the British and the Spanish, immortalised in Tennyson's poem, The Revenge. The first line was familiar to generations of British schoolchildren: "At Flores in the Azores, Sir Richard Grenville lay" Inspiring story Grenville was one of the mariners (pirates in the Spanish view) so loved by Queen Elizabeth I. But he got caught by the Spanish fleet in the Azores and his little ship Revenge fought alone and to the death - a typically inspiring story of heroic British failure. The poem is full of anti-Spanish sentiment ("Let us bang these dogs of Seville, the children of the devil"). One wonders if Mr Blair will recite it to Jose Maria Aznar as they look out across the waters and consider how alliances change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsbch Posted March 15, 2003 Author Share Posted March 15, 2003 France says war only days away "We think the Americans are very determined, and it's very difficult to see what could stop this military machine," he said. "We think that the unity of the international community of international opinion means that if these three are meeting in the Azores, then the 15 should meet at the beginning of this week. "President Chirac has said that the 15 heads of state from the Security Council should meet together to make concrete proposals." Security Council should meet together to make concrete proposals? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: What A Joke ART> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted March 16, 2003 Share Posted March 16, 2003 If Saddam is buried in the middle of the concrete proposal then the war can be averted.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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