Did Snyder buy the Browns?

[kvarlo12000]

The browns have added Donte Stallworth, Shaun Rogers, and Corey Willams. They have no first day picks, sounds like the run we made after the playoff run 3 years ago.

[wysknz1]

I have a question. Is espn making a joke of them the way they did the Skins a few years ago? Just wondering.

[michael_33]

I have a question. Is espn making a joke of them the way they did the Skins a few years ago? Just wondering.

What do you think?

[Rufus T Firefly]

A fair question is why teams like Cleveland don't get lambasted in the press the way the Skins have in the past. Of course, when you say they have "no first day picks", you mean first day under the old draft system- no picks in the first three rounds (the first day is now two rounds).

Imagine if we had made the moves the Browns had, not only trading away those picks, but giving big money to aging players like Willie McGinest and Ted Washington, not to mention bust LeCharles Bentley (yeah, I know he got hurt so it's not really their fault, but that kind of logic has never really mattered when the media wants to bash someone like Snyder for his decisions). And giving away a top notch young CB in Leigh Bodden for a fat, overpaid attitude problem like Shaun Rogers, and throwing in a good draft pick to boot.

We would be getting skewered all over ESPN if that had been us.

[Shilsu]

The reason is benefit of the doubt.

Snyder and the Redskins have already lost it. If the Browns fail, and then continue to try to pull the same strategy over the next decade and fail some more, they'll lose it too.

Remember, after we picked up Adam Archuleta, Andre Carter, Antwaan Randle El, and Brandon Lloyd, we were considered Super Bowl contenders (remember ESPN picked us having the BEST WR corps and also ranked us pretty high in terms of secondary :doh: ).

Interesting to note that the Browns didn't even make the playoffs last year (though they were 10-6).

[RunClintonRun26]

That Browns team is a good one though . . . No question about it. Even without those additions, they were a 10-6 team in the AFC. That's saying a lot. Moreover, they were only one game away from the playoffs. They have a very talented young nucleus on both offense and defense (Anderson, Joe Thomas, Winslow, Braylon, Jackson, Wimbley, etc.) Cleveland was one of the games next year that I definitely wasn't looking forward to (come on . . . we lost to them in 2004 with Jeff Garcia at QB and NO talent around him).

Stallworth is overrated, but a play-maker nonetheless. Rogers can be dominant when he feels like playing. And teams seem to be pretty high on Corey Williams . . . so if these guys work out for them, the Browns could easily be the AFC North champs come next year.

[drowland]

The reason they don't get blasted so much is they have a GM in Phil Savage who's well respected. Plus they're not trading picks for backup RBs and marginal WR talents. They're getting legit frontline players. To run the type 3-4 defense Romeo Crennel runs you've got to have some big bulls up front. With Corey Williams and Shaun Rogers, to go with Robaire Smith, Shaun Smith and Ethan Kelly, they now have a legit DL which will make their young LBs a lot better. That'll help their pass rush, which should compensate the loss of Leigh Bodden. A pass rush is a secondaries best friend. The Browns were the 31st ranked defense last year. If they can get the defense up to the level of their offense, they're a serious contender.

[Hitman#21]

I think they were all smart moves with the exception of Brady Quinn...but who knew Derek Anderson would play so well!?

[Rufus T Firefly]

The reason is benefit of the doubt.

Snyder and the Redskins have already lost it. If the Browns fail, and then continue to try to pull the same strategy over the next decade and fail some more, they'll lose it too.

Remember, after we picked up Adam Archuleta, Andre Carter, Antwaan Randle El, and Brandon Lloyd, we were considered Super Bowl contenders (remember ESPN picked us having the BEST WR corps and also ranked us pretty high in terms of secondary :doh: ).

Interesting to note that the Browns didn't even make the playoffs last year (though they were 10-6).

Your memory of the analysis of our offseason two years ago is a little different from mine. I remember a lot of bashing of what we did.

Mainly, though, I see a lot of people kind of defend the media in instances like this with the "we haven't done a good job, so it's OK to bash us" meme. The problem is, that isn't really what the media does. The "experts" constantly say, in relation to the Skins, lines like "you can't buy a title" "you don't win by giving away draft choices like that" and we're constantly called idiots and they always say the philosophy is stupd and could never work. When other teams do the same kinds of things, they are praised for it.

It'd just be nice to see some consistency. If they want to be critical of an individual move, fair enough. If they want to point out that we've made mistakes or that the organization has failed, no problem. But don't claim that the philosophy itself could never ever work, call it moronic and borderline insane when we do it, then, when other teams do the exact same thing, call them "aggressive" and clever and praise them till you're blue in the face for it.

That's the problem I have with the "experts" and "analysts".

[stat2883]

I think they were all smart moves with the exception of Brady Quinn...but who knew Derek Anderson would play so well!?

Its the Philip Rivers effect.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

FA is not only so funny, but it's so darn overrated to begin with....

It seems like the teams that make the most moves are the ones that are closest to that Lombardi, while the ones who make the least moves are the ones that are closest to having next year's #1 overall.

Well...you've seen in recent years how the Steelers, Colts, and Giants had the QUIETEST offseasons, while others that did much more ended up under-performing.

:2cents:

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

A fair question is why teams like Cleveland don't get lambasted in the press the way the Skins have in the past. Of course, when you say they have "no first day picks", you mean first day under the old draft system- no picks in the first three rounds (the first day is now two rounds).

Imagine if we had made the moves the Browns had, not only trading away those picks, but giving big money to aging players like Willie McGinest and Ted Washington, not to mention bust LeCharles Bentley (yeah, I know he got hurt so it's not really their fault, but that kind of logic has never really mattered when the media wants to bash someone like Snyder for his decisions). And giving away a top notch young CB in Leigh Bodden for a fat, overpaid attitude problem like Shaun Rogers, and throwing in a good draft pick to boot.

We would be getting skewered all over ESPN if that had been us.

just look at the browns draft history over the past 8 years vs ours. thats pretty much all the media likes to crap on us about. also, snyder is a d-bag of an owner, so the media likes bashing us just a little more to spite him. you guys should be able to figure out the media bias is 90% his fault.

and the media has been praising us about not doing what we usually do. theyve been running a zorn/new philosophy story for a week now about how weve turned a new leaf.

[Forehead]

Yeah, they have no 1-3 round picks, but they did get Joe Thomas and Brady Quinn last year, and as someone else already pointed out, they have a great young nucleus on both sides of the ball. Cleveland could be a real up and coming team in the next few years, something their fans truly deserve.