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To say Alvarez is not an established star is being a bit nieve. Outside of Mayweather and Pacquiao, he is the biggest star in boxing with a built-in fanbase. And lets not forget that Pac/Rios was in China and Alvarez/Angulo was in Vegas. That makes a difference.

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I think Cotto is the biggest star after Floyd & Pac, although Canelo will pass him in the next year or so.

 

Being an established star and carrying ppv's are two entirely different things. Pac went from close to 1mil buys everytime out to 350k with Rios. That makes it a bad number.

 

Canelo getting 350k his first time carrying a PPV, means that people will pay good money to see him fight, that makes it a good number. Plenty of popular fighters who won't crack even half of that numbers if you put them on PPV (i.e. Kirland, Kovalev, etc.)

 

Pac had his reasons for fighting in China. he can't choose to fight there, then use it as an excuse when the numbers turn up bad. Even though it was in China, it still came on the usual time for a PPV in the states. Its not like people had to watch it live at 11am in the states.

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Garcia got some hometown cooking with that decision. He didn't fight a smart fight against Herrera. Gotta be able to make adjustments in the ring, if you want to be elite. Also, not sold on Wilder yet. He has power, but that fight looked fixed. I'll have to watch it again to be sure, cause neither of those 2 punches looked clean. First punch was OK, but the second barely touched him.

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Richard Schaefer Thinks Mayweather/Maidana Will Do Huge PPV Numbers If Broner And Khan Is Added To The Card.

 

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2014/03/schaefer-thinks-mayweather-maidana-will-bring-in-huge-ppv-numbers-if-broner-and-khan-added-to-card/

 

What? Lol...I thought the PPV king didn't need any help selling a fight.

 

Let it go man, you'll be happier. I promise

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Lol...Wait a minute. I thought when I said some of his PPV numbers were due to a stacked card, virtually everyone said I didn't know what I was talking about. Now we have both Schaefer and Floyd himself BEGGING Broner and the man they made a fool out of, Khan, to be on Floyd's undercard?

But seriously, if Pacquiao takes care of business on April 12 and Floyd does what Floyd usually does and the PPV numbers aren't great, Floyd will be in the position of needing Pacquiao more than Pacquiao needing Floyd. Who would have thought that was possible a year ago?

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I think Cotto is the biggest star after Floyd & Pac, although Canelo will pass him in the next year or so.

 

Being an established star and carrying ppv's are two entirely different things. Pac went from close to 1mil buys everytime out to 350k with Rios. That makes it a bad number.

 

Canelo getting 350k his first time carrying a PPV, means that people will pay good money to see him fight, that makes it a good number. Plenty of popular fighters who won't crack even half of that numbers if you put them on PPV (i.e. Kirland, Kovalev, etc.)

 

Pac had his reasons for fighting in China. he can't choose to fight there, then use it as an excuse when the numbers turn up bad. Even though it was in China, it still came on the usual time for a PPV in the states. Its not like people had to watch it live at 11am in the states.

 

 

Cotto is not as big as Alvarez is right now. Case and point, what did Cotto/May do compared to Alvarez/May?

 

DM you usually make some CRAZY arguments and I've come to expect that out of you by now. But this is by far one of the craziest points you've ever tried to make.

 

SU as one of (if not the) most knowledgable boxing fans on this site, I can't believe of all DMs silly points you picked this one to actually waste your time arguing.

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Lol...Wait a minute. I thought when I said some of his PPV numbers were due to a stacked card, virtually everyone said I didn't know what I was talking about. Now we have both Schaefer and Floyd himself BEGGING Broner and the man they made a fool out of, Khan, to be on Floyd's undercard?

But seriously, if Pacquiao takes care of business on April 12 and Floyd does what Floyd usually does and the PPV numbers aren't great, Floyd will be in the position of needing Pacquiao more than Pacquiao needing Floyd. Who would have thought that was possible a year ago?

 

Even if Floyd only does 500,000, he's put himself in a position to trick CBS into giving him a guaranteed contract for 6 fights. No matter who he fights or what his numbers are, he's paid bro. Only task is for Showtime & CBS to actually try to trick the public into thinking they have good, quality, competitive opponents for Floyd to fight each time out so we all buy the ppv. That way, everybody is paid and everybody is happy. 

 

Bottom line, no my friend, no Mayweather does not or will ever "need" Manny Pacquiao.

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DM you usually make some CRAZY arguments and I've come to expect that out of you by now. But this is by far one of the craziest points you've ever tried to make.

SU as one of (if not the) most knowledgable boxing fans on this site, I can't believe of all DMs silly points you picked this one to actually waste your time arguing.

You guys really believe Cotto is a bigger star than Alverez right now? No way. When was the last time Cotto even had a meaningful win?

Just because you don't agree doesn't make anything I said silly. You just don't think deep enough.

Even if Floyd only does 500,000, he's put himself in a position to trick CBS into giving him a guaranteed contract for 6 fights. No matter who he fights or what his numbers are, he's paid bro. Only task is for Showtime & CBS to actually try to trick the public into thinking they have good, quality, competitive opponents for Floyd to fight each time out so we all buy the ppv. That way, everybody is paid and everybody is happy.

Bottom line, no my friend, no Mayweather does not or will ever "need" Manny Pacquiao.

And you really believe he got all his money up front? And you call me silly? I hardly doubt CBS/SHO is that stupid to just give him $200M for him to pull in lackluster PPV numbers.

And even though I haven't seen the contract, I'm willing to bet you that CBS/SHO(as in all contracts)has an out clause for whatever reason.

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You guys really believe Cotto is a bigger star than Alverez right now? No way. When was the last time Cotto even had a meaningful win?

Just because you don't agree doesn't make anything I said silly. You just don't think deep enough.

 

As much as I respect SU's opinion and perspective, unlike him I def won't even begin to waste my time arguing that nonsense. Next subject please.

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I get it, you love you some SU. Does Cotto even fight outside of NYC? I wonder why?

And one more question. Why are you Mayweather fans so obsessed with the amount of $ he makes? I mean, is he sending you guys any of it. Seriously, I see this on every site when Mayweather is discussed. Me personally, I could care less what any of them make. I just want to see the best fight the best, especially if you're gonna charge $70.

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You guys really believe Cotto is a bigger star than Alverez right now? No way. When was the last time Cotto even had a meaningful win?

Just because you don't agree doesn't make anything I said silly. You just don't think deep enough.

And you really believe he got all his money up front? And you call me silly? I hardly doubt CBS/SHO is that stupid to just give him $200M for him to pull in lackluster PPV numbers.

And even though I haven't seen the contract, I'm willing to bet you that CBS/SHO(as in all contracts)has an out clause for whatever reason.

 

Of course he doesn't get it up front. The whole point as the fact that as long as he fights twice a year, he'll get a huge payday twice a year with residual checks on the back end from ppv. The contract only voids if Floyd either retires or goes back to jail.

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I get it, you love you some SU. Does Cotto even fight outside of NYC? I wonder why?

And one more question. Why are you Mayweather fans so obsessed with the amount of $ he makes? I mean, is he sending you guys any of it. Seriously, I see this on every site when Mayweather is discussed. Me personally, I could care less what any of them make. I just want to see the best fight the best, especially if you're gonna charge $70.

 

I won't even respond to your first statement because I don't feel like getting banned but to your point about the obsession, i believe it may be the fact that he's the highest paid athlete in the world. That is the goal and he achieved it, period. Same obsession with Oprah's money or even Bill Gates. When you set out to do something and then you are at the pinnacle of the financial point of your profession, you will def have fans and haters no matter who you are. Call it obsession or what ever you want.

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I got VERY thick skin, I won't go running to a mod. And why if anyone says anything the least bit critical of Mayweather, they're automatically is labeled a hater? Not everybody who's a critic of Mayweather is a hater.

 

SVP just had a very good reply to being called a hater. "Hater is just a weak-minded reply to someone who brings up legitimate criticism of someone that someone else like."

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I got VERY thick skin, I won't go running to a mod. And why if anyone says anything the least bit critical of Mayweather, they're automatically is labeled a hater? Not everybody who's a critic of Mayweather is a hater.

 

SVP just had a very good reply to being called a hater. "Hater is just a weak-minded reply to someone who brings up legitimate criticism of someone that someone else like."

 

Not one time did I label you a hater. I simply said love and hate will come along with great achievement. Never once did I direct anything at you.

 

And while I def agree in some ways to that definition of hater, it really doesn't apply to you at all.

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