The one phrase I want to NEVER hear from the Redskins again!

[PierceType]

THE EVIL WORDS:

"Once we had the lead, we got conservative in the second half..."

Ack! :mad:

Yeah, yeah, I know we won Sunday. But you would have to be blind not to see how conservative we went on defense (especially) and offense in the second half compared to the first.

(In the first half, the Vikes QB had NO TIME to throw. We were in his face every play. In the second half, we rushed 4 and dropped back into coverage and he had all day - result - 21 points.)

Cooley was being interviewed post-game and he said those awful words:

"Once we had the lead, we got conservative in the second half..."

Please Joe, I have suffered through too many second half collapses this year due to "getting conservative with the lead" that I just can't bear another one :doh:.

WHAT WE MUST DO!

The rest of the year, when we have em down, let's STOMP EM! I mean, let's go all Patriots on 'em. Let's send 'em home without a shred of self-esteem left. Hell, let's be unsportsmanlike and go for it on 4th down in the red zone when we are already up by 28 in the 3rd quarter.

Let's not have to rely upon "12 men on the field" or "a bad pass-interference call" in the 4th quarter to determine the winner.

We have the players to embarrass other teams. Let's embarrass them full-speed for 60 minutes. If our aggressiveness loses us a game, so be it. At least we went down balls-to-the-wall.

CONCLUSION:

If we play the entire game like we played the first half this week, nobody ('cept maybe the Patriots) can beat us in the playoffs. If we play the second half like we did last week, we won't make it past the first round if we make the playoffs at all.

[Woofer]

While I agree with the principle of not getting too conservative, getting "unsportsmanlike" is just not Joe's style, and I don't see it happening.

[PierceType]

Truly "unsportsmanlike" conduct by a coach is losing 6 games we had won this season with conservative playcalling and trying to sit on a lead. His FIRST duty is to the fans.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Would you have rather us gotten a bunch of three and outs and given up huge fifty yard bombs downfield?

[Art McDonough]

Getting conservative in the second half usually translates to running the football and eating up the clock. That's a very smart thing to do if you can do it effectively and that's been the Redskins' problem. When you run the football, you have to pick up those third downs so you don't give it back to them.

[TheLongshot]

WHAT WE MUST DO!

The rest of the year, when we have em down, let's STOMP EM! I mean, let's go all Patriots on 'em. Let's send 'em home without a shred of self-esteem left. Hell, let's be unsportsmanlike and go for it on 4th down in the red zone when we are already up by 28 in the 3rd quarter.

Well, when you are as good as the Patriots are, you can do that. Fact is, tho, we aren't THAT good on offense. When you are like us, you want to continue to drive with leads like that, but you also want to eat clock and force them to be aggressive on offense.

I don't think we did get conservative at all in the Minnesota game. We were still trying to drive the ball, but they are also working to force us to give up the ball. As for them scoring a couple of TDs, they figured out a way to throw against us in the second half. Unfortunately, it was too little, too late.

Jason

[PierceType]

Good lord people. Have you even been watching the games this year?

Third and 8 when a first down wins the game and we run it up the gut just to chew a few more seconds off the clock and pray our defense can stop them? Throw the damned ball and get the first down and win!

And to the guy who said "what do you want a bunch of 3 and outs and they throw a bomb for a TD?" Dude that is exactly what HAS been happening. Gut, gut, pass, punt. If something is working for you in the first half well enough to score over 20 points, DON'T STOP DOING IT IN THE SECOND HALF!

And no, I DON'T believe that the Patriots are THAT much better than us. I do believe that they have been coached MUCH BETTER than us this season.

BIGGEST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PATRIOTS AND US:

The Patriots play like THEY EXPECT TO WIN. We play like WE ARE TRYING NOT TO LOSE.

[quettefan]

Cooley said this? Hmmm, he should know since he's "SuperSmart" and "fights his guts out every week" ;-)

I don't see JG ever being unsportsmanlike (he's too much of a gentleman for that)...but, I don't think he'll play as conservative in the second half playoff games this year as he's called during the regular season so far...at least, I'm hoping he plays like the JG of old and gets up enough in the first half to make the second half an exercise in futility for the Seahawks and Cowgirlies and Packers and then revenge match with the Cheatriots

[Diesel70ChipOnWhite]

Didn't you have the same crap post last week? What is wrong with you man. Everybody and their mother was impressed with our win last week except you.

Minnesota Vikings at 15:00

6-S.Suisham kicks 70 yards from WAS 30 to MIN 0. 84-A.Allison pushed ob at MIN 36 for 36 yards (6-S.Suisham). WAS-45-M.Sellers was injured during the play. His return is Questionable. PENALTY on MIN-58-D.Herron, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at MIN 36.

1-10-MIN 26 (14:54) 28-A.Peterson right end to MIN 29 for 3 yards (94-A.Montgomery, 57-R.Godfrey).

2-7-MIN 29 (14:19) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 47 for 18 yards (24-S.Springs).

1-10-MIN 47 (13:38) 28-A.Peterson right tackle to MIN 49 for 2 yards (57-R.Godfrey).

2-8-MIN 49 (13:04) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 82-T.Williamson to WAS 45 for 6 yards (57-R.Godfrey).

3-2-WAS 45 (12:28) (Shotgun) 29-C.Taylor right tackle to WAS 44 for 1 yard (96-C.Griffin, 93-P.Daniels).

4-1-WAS 44 (11:50) 28-A.Peterson left guard to WAS 44 for no gain (59-L.Fletcher, 30-L.Landry).

Washington Redskins at 11:45

1-10-WAS 44 (11:45) 15-T.Collins pass short right to 41-B.Kozlowski to WAS 49 for 5 yards (51-B.Leber).

2-5-WAS 49 (11:19) 26-C.Portis right end to WAS 48 for -1 yards (96-B.Robison).

3-6-WAS 48 (10:36) 15-T.Collins pass short middle to 82-A.Randle El to MIN 32 for 20 yards (24-D.Smith).

1-10-MIN 32 (10:00) 15-T.Collins pass short right to 89-S.Moss to MIN 21 for 11 yards (31-M.McCauley).

1-10-MIN 21 (9:30) 46-L.Betts right guard to MIN 14 for 7 yards (52-C.Greenway).

2-3-MIN 14 (8:53) 46-L.Betts up the middle to MIN 4 for 10 yards (52-C.Greenway; 42-D.Sharper).

1-4-MIN 4 (8:16) 26-C.Portis up the middle to MIN 1 for 3 yards (96-B.Robison).

2-1-MIN 1 (7:40) 15-T.Collins pass incomplete short middle to 47-C.Cooley.

3-1-MIN 1 (7:34) PENALTY on WAS-79-L.Alexander, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at MIN 1 - No Play.

Timeout #1 by WAS at 07:34.

3-6-MIN 6 (7:34) 26-C.Portis sacked at MIN 8 for -2 yards (51-B.Leber).

4-8-MIN 8 (6:55) 6-S.Suisham 26 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-67-E.Albright, Holder-4-D.Frost.

WAS 25 MIN 0 Plays: 10 Possession: 4:53

Minnesota Vikings at 06:52

6-S.Suisham kicks 62 yards from WAS 30 to MIN 8. 84-A.Allison ran ob at MIN 23 for 15 yards.

1-10-MIN 23 (6:48) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short middle to 89-R.Ferguson (94-A.Montgomery).

2-10-MIN 23 (6:44) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 28-A.Peterson pushed ob at MIN 37 for 14 yards (30-L.Landry).

1-10-MIN 37 (6:19) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to 82-T.Williamson.

2-10-MIN 37 (6:13) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 82-T.Williamson to MIN 46 for 9 yards (24-S.Springs).

3-1-MIN 46 (5:50) 29-C.Taylor left end to WAS 48 for 6 yards (53-M.Washington).

1-10-WAS 48 (5:13) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep right to 82-T.Williamson.

2-10-WAS 48 (5:06) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 49-T.Richardson to WAS 37 for 11 yards (27-F.Smoot). WAS-57-R.Godfrey was injured during the play. His return is Probable.

1-10-WAS 37 (4:19) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 19-B.Wade to WAS 18 for 19 yards (30-L.Landry).

1-10-WAS 18 (3:42) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 89-R.Ferguson to WAS 2 for 16 yards (50-K.Campbell).

1-2-WAS 2 (2:59) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 40-J.Kleinsasser for 2 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

8-R.Longwell extra point is GOOD, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Holder-5-C.Kluwe.

WAS 25 MIN 7 Plays: 10 Possession: 3:58

Minnesota Vikings at 02:54

8-R.Longwell kicks onside 17 yards from MIN 30 to MIN 47. RECOVERED by MIN-59-H.Farwell.

1-10-MIN 47 (2:53) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 82-T.Williamson to WAS 47 for 6 yards (27-F.Smoot).

2-4-WAS 47 (2:16) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short middle to 28-A.Peterson.

3-4-WAS 47 (2:11) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson sacked at MIN 45 for -8 yards (29-L.Torrence).

4-12-MIN 45 (1:46) 5-C.Kluwe punts 55 yards to end zone, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Touchback.

Washington Redskins at 01:35

1-10-WAS 20 (1:35) 15-T.Collins pass short middle to 86-R.Caldwell to WAS 27 for 7 yards (23-C.Griffin).

2-3-WAS 27 (1:01) 26-C.Portis left guard to WAS 29 for 2 yards (56-E.Henderson).

3-1-WAS 29 (:21) 26-C.Portis up the middle to WAS 28 for -1 yards (93-K.Williams, 51-B.Leber).

END QUARTER 3

4th Quarter expand [+] collapse [-]

Washington Redskins continues ...

4-2-WAS 28 (15:00) 4-D.Frost punts 53 yards to MIN 19, Center-67-E.Albright. 30-M.Moore to MIN 36 for 17 yards (54-H.Blades, 23-O.Stoutmire). PENALTY on WAS-83-J.Thrash, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 36.

Minnesota Vikings at 14:49

1-10-WAS 49 (14:49) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 29-C.Taylor to WAS 35 for 14 yards (95-C.Wilson).

1-10-WAS 35 (14:07) 84-A.Allison left end to WAS 32 for 3 yards (27-F.Smoot).

2-7-WAS 32 (13:23) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 81-V.Shiancoe to WAS 27 for 5 yards (24-S.Springs, 29-L.Torrence).

3-2-WAS 27 (12:44) 7-T.Jackson scrambles right end pushed ob at WAS 25 for 2 yards (37-R.Doughty). PENALTY on WAS, Defensive Holding, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 25.

1-10-WAS 20 (12:22) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass to 19-B.Wade to WAS 11 for 9 yards (53-M.Washington).

2-1-WAS 11 (11:46) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 19-B.Wade to WAS 5 for 6 yards (27-F.Smoot).

1-5-WAS 5 (11:10) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to 89-R.Ferguson.

2-5-WAS 5 (11:06) 29-C.Taylor left guard to WAS 6 for -1 yards (59-L.Fletcher, 53-M.Washington).

3-6-WAS 6 (10:24) 7-T.Jackson scrambles up the middle for 6 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

8-R.Longwell extra point is GOOD, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Holder-5-C.Kluwe.

WAS 25 MIN 14 Plays: 9 Possession: 4:31

Washington Redskins at 10:18

8-R.Longwell kicks 67 yards from MIN 30 to WAS 3. 31-R.Cartwright to WAS 25 for 22 yards (58-D.Herron, 59-H.Farwell).

1-10-WAS 25 (10:13) 15-T.Collins scrambles right end to WAS 29 for 4 yards (52-C.Greenway).

2-6-WAS 29 (9:29) PENALTY on WAS-60-C.Samuels, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 29 - No Play.

2-11-WAS 24 (9:08) 15-T.Collins pass deep left to 89-S.Moss pushed ob at WAS 47 for 23 yards (23-C.Griffin).

1-10-WAS 47 (8:59) 15-T.Collins FUMBLES (Aborted) at WAS 47, RECOVERED by MIN-93-K.Williams at WAS 47. 93-K.Williams to WAS 47 for no gain (61-C.Rabach). Washington challenged the too many players on field ruling, and the play was REVERSED. PENALTY on MIN-97-S.Johnson, Defensive 12 On-field, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 47 - No Play.

1-5-MIN 48 (8:48) 26-C.Portis left tackle to MIN 44 for 4 yards (95-K.Udeze).

2-1-MIN 44 (8:09) 26-C.Portis up the middle to MIN 33 for 11 yards (23-C.Griffin).

1-10-MIN 33 (7:29) 46-L.Betts left end to MIN 32 for 1 yard (95-K.Udeze).

2-9-MIN 32 (6:44) 15-T.Collins pass short left to 86-R.Caldwell to MIN 28 for 4 yards (42-D.Sharper; 23-C.Griffin).

Timeout #1 by MIN at 06:37.

3-5-MIN 28 (6:37) 26-C.Portis up the middle to MIN 19 for 9 yards (56-E.Henderson, 52-C.Greenway).

1-10-MIN 19 (5:55) 15-T.Collins pass short left to 83-J.Thrash to MIN 13 for 6 yards (23-C.Griffin).

2-4-MIN 13 (5:12) 26-C.Portis right end for 13 yards, TOUCHDOWN.

6-S.Suisham extra point is GOOD, Center-67-E.Albright, Holder-4-D.Frost.

WAS 32 MIN 14 Plays: 9 Possession: 5:12

Minnesota Vikings at 05:06

6-S.Suisham kicks 45 yards from WAS 30 to MIN 25. 73-O.Grigsby to MIN 27 for 2 yards (39-V.Fox).

1-10-MIN 27 (5:03) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short left to 89-R.Ferguson.

2-10-MIN 27 (4:55) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 38 for 11 yards (29-L.Torrence).

1-10-MIN 38 (4:32) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson scrambles up the middle to MIN 48 for 10 yards (50-K.Campbell).

1-10-MIN 48 (4:07) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 29-C.Taylor to WAS 43 for 9 yards.

2-1-WAS 43 (3:41) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 28-A.Peterson to WAS 36 for 7 yards (50-K.Campbell).

1-10-WAS 36 (3:18) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short right to 82-T.Williamson pushed ob at WAS 23 for 13 yards (37-R.Doughty). PENALTY on MIN-82-T.Williamson, Illegal Touch Pass, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 36 - No Play.

1-15-WAS 41 (3:10) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 81-V.Shiancoe to WAS 35 for 6 yards (29-L.Torrence).

2-9-WAS 35 (2:50) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson scrambles up the middle to WAS 24 for 11 yards (59-L.Fletcher).

1-10-WAS 24 (2:32) 7-T.Jackson spiked the ball to stop the clock.

2-10-WAS 24 (2:32) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short middle to 89-R.Ferguson to WAS 13 for 11 yards (24-S.Springs).

1-10-WAS 13 (2:18) 7-T.Jackson spiked the ball to stop the clock.

2-10-WAS 13 (2:18) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to 89-R.Ferguson (24-S.Springs).

3-10-WAS 13 (2:12) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short left to 84-A.Allison.

4-10-WAS 13 (2:08) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short left to 19-B.Wade. PENALTY on WAS-29-L.Torrence, Defensive Pass Interference, 12 yards, enforced at WAS 13 - No Play.

1-1-WAS 1 (2:04) 7-T.Jackson scrambles right end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

8-R.Longwell extra point is GOOD, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Holder-5-C.Kluwe.

WAS 32 MIN 21 Plays: 13 Possession: 3:08

Washington Redskins at 01:58

(Onside Kick formation) 8-R.Longwell kicks 6 yards from MIN 30 to MIN 36, out of bounds. PENALTY on MIN-42-D.Sharper, Offside on Free Kick, 5 yards, enforced between downs.

1-10-MIN 31 (1:58) 26-C.Portis left end to MIN 34 for -3 yards (94-P.Williams).

Timeout #2 by MIN at 01:54.

2-13-MIN 34 (1:54) 26-C.Portis right guard to MIN 34 for no gain (95-K.Udeze).

Timeout #3 by MIN at 01:50.

3-13-MIN 34 (1:50) 46-L.Betts up the middle to MIN 30 for 4 yards (52-C.Greenway, 97-S.Johnson).

Timeout #2 by WAS at 01:04.

4-9-MIN 30 (1:04) 4-D.Frost punts 25 yards to MIN 5, Center-67-E.Albright, downed by WAS-50-K.Campbell.

Minnesota Vikings at 00:56

1-10-MIN 5 (:56) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass short left to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 14 for 9 yards (37-R.Doughty; 50-K.Campbell).

2-1-MIN 14 (:35) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson scrambles up the middle to MIN 19 for 5 yards (99-A.Carter).

1-10-MIN 19 (:08) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete short right to 40-J.Kleinsasser.

2-10-MIN 19 (:03) (Shotgun) 7-T.Jackson pass incomplete deep right to 89-R.Ferguson (24-S.Springs).

END GAME

The touchdown run by Jackson was bad coverage, nothing to do with the playcall, the playcall was acutally correct if you slow down and watch the play.

The last touchdown in the 2nd half was because of a bull**** pass interference call in the end zone on a play where Landry busts up the middle on the BLITZ and nails the **** out of Tavaris Jackson on 4TH DOWN to force the lame duck in the air. Torrence barely even touched the guy, so there are 14 of your points, off of crap. That should have been our ball at the 5 or wherever the hell that play started.

As far as our offense goes, what i saw was a time controlling run game with 8 passes throughout the half and a couple of 20 yard passes for completions that kept drives going and the clock running.

Your complaint about rushing the qb the whole game is just not rational. You can't rush the passer all game long with more than 4. Your d gets tired, not to mention, everything the Skins gave the Vikes in the second half was dink and dunk crap that amounted to the Vikings killing the clock themselves. When you have a 25-7 lead going into the fourth quarter you don't air the ball out to give the other team as many more possesions as possible. You make their d tired by running at them, just like the skins did.

Enjoy the win, Piercetype, they are hard to come by, and if they look like last week, ill take it every sunday with a smile. Our lines were better than theirs!

[bigyim]

So, "playing conservative" didn't work out well enough for you last week, huh?

You seem to be under the same delusion as Mass_Skins fan that margin of victory counts for something in the NFL.

If you honestly think that the Minn. victory was any less dominating than a typical "blowout win" like the '05 victory over Dallas, I suggest you go back & look at some tape.

If "highest points scored" is all that matters to you, stick to playing Madden. Or go root for the Iowa Barnstormers of the Arena League.

[cphil006]

after playing hard and blitzign a lot the first half... our defense was tired and on oxygen the whole second half... its tough to play that style the whole game. We stopped the run then knew they would pass, so we decided to stop sending more than 4-5...

[ldysknzfn1]

Unsportman-like? No way JG would ever do such a thing..and why should he? That 3rd qtr defense had me nervous..but we rebounded and won...I don't think we went conservative at all on offense. I still say Moss was in when he caught that ball...glad they had 12 men on the field:D . Just be happy with the "W"!

[Backpack3r]

Obviously we became a bit more conservative in the 2nd half, but when we saw us losing momentum, Saunders and Gibbs changed it up a bit, and look what we did.....we went down and gave Portis a TD

I dont mind running the ball with the lead, as long as it works. The problem earlier this year is that it DIDNT work, so we ended up always giving the ball back. If we can eat up clock, and slowly progress down the field in the 2nd half, then Im fine with that

[TheLongshot]

Good lord people. Have you even been watching the games this year?

Third and 8 when a first down wins the game and we run it up the gut just to chew a few more seconds off the clock and pray our defense can stop them? Throw the damned ball and get the first down and win!

Problem is, if you don't get the first down (not as much of a sure thing as you are claiming) and we lose because we left too much time on the clock, you'd probably be saying the opposite.

The general attititude seems to be if it didn't work, then it must have been the wrong thing to do and they should have done the other thing. Course, execution isn't even considered.

BTW, that last drive was that damn "conservative" gameplan. You know, that one we scored the TD on? I don't see anyone complaining about that.

Jason

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

I see what he's saying folks. I'm OK with sitting on a lead of 20+ points by the beinning of the 4th, but we were doing that with 10-14 point leads as early as the 3rd qtr.

[Vicious]

If we're within two scores and we're conservative, that's wrong. Our problem was we were getting conservative WAY too soon and losing close games because of it. We'd be in the playoffs already for a lot of reasons and that is one of them.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

I dont mind running the ball with the lead, as long as it works. The problem earlier this year is that it DIDNT work, so we ended up always giving the ball back. If we can eat up clock, and slowly progress down the field in the 2nd half, then Im fine with that

our choke losses earlier this year were from us being too predictable. During conservative time we never threw on 1st or second down. It was always run, run, run, punt or run, run, pass, pun.

[Om]

He's a troll, people. Don't waste your time.

[pjfootballer]

I really didn't think we got conservative in the 2nd half this time. We tried another halfback pass. We went down and got a TD to ice the game away. I think we played more tentative in the 3rd quarter up 22-0, then playing tentatively. I was thinking "oh no" when they made it 25-14 and had recovered the fumble. I knew when we won the challenge, we would score and put the game out of reach. For once I could relax at the end.