NAC386 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I have never made a post in my life mainly because I read these things and most people have NO idea what they are talking about. But I just read a thread where people were pumping up Eli Manning (4 years of starting) and bashing JC (1 complete year over two seasons). So here are Jason Campbells stats for his first 16 games vs. Eli Manning's stats for his first 16 games. Campbell- 3380 passing yards 21 Tds, 14 Ints 57% Completion 79.0 QB rating Manning- 3135 passing yards 21 Tds, 18 Ints 49.5% Completion AWFUL QB rating (55 his first 6 starts, 75 his whole 2nd season) I can't do Eli's QB rating for just his first 16 games, but it is more than likely in the upper 60's based on the ratings I could get. Someone said Manning is a TD machine compared to Campbell, that's completely false. They have thrown 21 a piece, but Manning has thrown more Ints. If your argument is "I meant NOW not at the beginning of his career" then that is even worse because you're comparing quarterbacks YEARS apart in experience. He has thrown for more yards, with a MUCH higher completion %, a MUCH higher QB rating, and Campbell is throwing to MUCH smaller recievers and does not have Tiki Barber to dish the ball of to all the time. Campbell improved his numbers in every category listed above from 06-07 (better qb rating, higher %, etc.) while Eli has been completely inconsistant AGAIN this year. Look at the stats, Eli has about 100 more yards than Campbell passing this year, and his QB rating is almost identical. He has 4 more Tds this year, but 3 more Ints...Plexiglass has caught at least a few TD passes that were not even good throws. In 3 years you don't think he will be AT LEAST the same quality as Eli Manning who is comparable to JC right now? That's all for now, stop hating on JC when he has been playing well for a very young QB with tiny recievers. He is already a good QB and he will continue to get much better. HAIL! :gaintsuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willmb5 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Eli's numbers would be terrible if he didn't have Plaxico Burress to throw to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d0ublestr0ker0ll Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Good post, Burress does save Eli's butt all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskins4life234 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Great Post. I like you giving those facts and I agree 100% JC is tough smart and will be a great quarterback. He may not be a Peyton Manning or John Elway, but he will be a great QB for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKM311 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I haven't read the board much this week, but if people are actually saying Eli is better, then they are smoking to much ganja! Eli is what he is, JC is not even close to what he will be. Give Campbell four years and then lets compare these numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkipJackSkin Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Great post and nice comparison. JC is sure to be the QB of the future! (and now of course) GO SKINSS BEAT THE BUCS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z0eboy Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Jason Campbell owned Eli Manning in college, they both played in the SEC division Auburn beat up Missisippi and Campbell is why Eli never won a Bowl game. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Would be tough to chose between the 2 based on what we've seen so far. In Eli's defense, he was a true rookie for roughly half of those first 16 games. JC was a 2nd year player. Don't forget EM took his team to the playoffs in his 2nd season - I'm too lazy to look up the #s but I'm guessing Campbell's overall WL record stinks. He's also shown a flair for running a 2 minute offense and being able to bring his team back from behind in the 4th qtr. That is an incredibly important skill that JC hadn't shown even glimpses of before the Dallas game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAC386 Posted November 24, 2007 Author Share Posted November 24, 2007 Eli did not take his team to the playoffs, Eli's team took Eli to the playoffs. He did not play well, he just had a good team around. Maybe you should look up the numbers after all! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durant35 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Eli's rating through his first 16 games = 76.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I thought about creating this thread earlier but you just saved me a whole lot of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Very nice post. I can't believe anyone would ever say they'd rather have eli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Nice stats, I can see Campbell improving faster than Eli and becoming a better QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Eli did not take his team to the playoffs, Eli's team took Eli to the playoffs. He did not play well, he just had a good team around. Maybe you should look up the numbers after all! http://www.nfl.com/players/elimanning/profile?id=MAN473170 If Campbell put up EM's 2005 #s this season, I think most people on this board would be pretty happy. His comp% is low and his INTs are a little high but he was certainly a productive player. The Giants weren't hiding the guy like Gibbs is prone to do with Campbell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfs06473 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Based on what I've seen from both, I'll take Jason. Eli is what he is at this point and Jason has a much better potential upside. I've NEVER seen Jason look as ill at ease in the pocket as Eli did (and still sometime does). Additionally, Jason has better coaches who won't let his confidence be destroyed by asking too much of him too soon. Some of the columnists in the NY media are already saying that Eli doesn't have what it takes to win it all. Their best forecast for him is that he may get them a wild card spot consistently--and that's only if he has a great running game for support. After watching Jason's performance in Dallas, I feel that we can count on him even if the running game isn't working--and--I feel that it's only a matter of time before he's pulling off 4th Quarter heroics when we need him to.:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stp240 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 GREAT THREAD thank you for that i have total confidence in JC cant wait to see him run the hurry up again =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
playboy1972 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Great post. Look forward to your "annual" post next November. :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLWORLD Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 :applause: :applause: :applause: Thanks for posting this, good to see the numbers pan out like that. Lets do hope he continues to grow and maybe we can turn A. Mix into something special for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 I like the post and the #'s; however, one significant statistic would be wins. I am sure Eli is much further ahead in his first 16 games. It takes an entire team to win and Campbell obviously is doing his share. The rest of this team needs to step it up this weekend and skin these Bucs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Does this mean Eli will be a backup QB next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SKINS FAN #56 Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Eli sucks..PERIOD! People say he's gonna be like his bro? NEVER! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTikiITrust Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Good post, Burress does save Eli's butt all the time. You mean the guy who has 10 catches in the past 3 games combined? Eli Manning does get his butt saved sometimes, but other times, he makes the throw he needs to. I read somewhere that the Giants are 2nd or 3rd in dropped balls and Eli's completion percentage, if those passes were caught, would be around 70%. I love how people say "Burress and Shockey bail out Manning all the time" but when Burress and Shockey are compared to other WRs and TEs, they drop too many balls to be great for the respective position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 Super Bowls Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 as a cowboy fan, I would rather have campbell. eli is wayyyyyyyyyy over rated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss_Hogg Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 Eli's numbers would be terrible if he didn't have Plaxico Burress to throw to. Or Amani Toomer and Jeremy Shockey. Let us not forget an A+ running game with Tiki Barber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLWORLD Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 as a cowboy fan, I would rather have campbell. eli is wayyyyyyyyyy over rated. He is getting a lot better though (I think I just vomited in my mouth). Not that it is occuring fast but he does improve little by little... Plax n Shockey drop A LOT of their passes, not that TP AKA TO hasnt dropped his share or our people dropping them too.. This is by far the most interesting division right now in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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