Guest SkinsHokie Fan Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Wow this show is just great. This guy is more nervous then the girls living his lie but he can do no wrong in their eyes because of his alleged fortune. Wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Honestly, I hope when one of the girls finds out, she kills somebody so Fox gets in trouble for all of this. So stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 What an awesome show! I'll definitely be tuning in every week to see these gold-diggers get humiliated. By the way, he left out the hottest one. I couldn't believe it. Those of you who saw the show know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romo Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 very amusing premise. i dont agree with several of his choices but then again its pretty hard to choose when you've only talked to each girl for maybe 2 minutes total. I think a great surprise ending would be if after Joe chooses his girl they offer him a wad of cash, say a million bucks. The deal is he gets the million or takes the chance on the girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReaper21 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 This is a great show. And I enjoyed the first episode and look forward to seeing who wins. Who do you think is the hottest girl. I think Melissa Jo is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 That dirty blonde with blue eyes who he dismissed because there was "no connection" looked like the hottest to me. She was beautiful, but very much gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Cool show. I have never liked any of the other reality shows, but this one is cool because the girls are going to be so humiliated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nighthawk Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 I loved every minute of it. :laugh: Everytime I laughed my sinister laugh, my wife just I can't wait until the b!tch Heidi finds out it's all a sham! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by Nighthawk I can't wait until the b!tch Heidi finds out it's all a sham! :laugh: What a B!tch.... she made me want to puke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dchogs Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 i too was laughing a sinister laugh when all the girls got giddy when they said he was worth 50 million. he picked two girls, m.jo and heidi i think, that seem to be the biggest gold diggers. i understand why: they are players and are good at the "game" of attraction and dating. i'm glad i'm not the only fella that watched the show... i was feeling a bit odd about the guilty pleasure i derived from watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by dchogs i too was laughing a sinister laugh when all the girls got giddy when they said he was worth 50 million. he picked two girls, m.jo and heidi i think, that seem to be the biggest gold diggers. i understand why: they are players and are good at the "game" of attraction and dating. i'm glad i'm not the only fella that watched the show... i was feeling a bit odd about the guilty pleasure i derived from watching. Ditto...although my lady talked me into watching it last night. That dude is from Virginia Beach and is the same age as me - but I found out that he went to a private school across the state - would have been weird to see a classmate...:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thito_da_skins_fan Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 that was funny as sh!t!!!! i agree he dismissed the sexy one -- but Heidi (although a gold-digging slut) isn't that bad herself... the end to this show is gonna be great!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 I didn't watch the show, but - thinking like a lawyer for a second - what's funny is I wonder how Fox has insulated themselves from a lawsuit for fraud by the women. They've clearly made false representations to the women about the guy's worth as part of (all of?) the reason for his attractiveness - that's the explicit premise of the show. Wouldn't it be hilarious if these women, who will all to a certain extent be humiliated on national television, turned around and sued Fox? Only Fox could/would create such a circus! :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 In follow up to my last post, I just happened across this article on Yahoo! from the NY Times: Growing Rowdier, TV Reality Shows Are Attracting SuitsTue Jan 7, 9:01 AM ET By ADAM LIPTAK The New York Times James and Laurie Ann Ryan's Las Vegas vacation last January was more exciting than they would have liked. Soon after they checked into the Hard Rock Hotel, they found a body in the bathtub. When they tried to leave, hotel security guards and a paramedic detained them. Philip Zelnick was surprised, too, when he went to catch a plane at an Arizona airport. A security guard made him lie down on a conveyor belt and pass through the X-ray machine. It left him, he said, humiliated and "bleeding all over the place." Both incidents were practical jokes, manufactured by television shows. But the Ryans and Mr. Zelnick were not amused, and they have sued the producers. Lawsuits against the unscripted entertainment shows known as reality television used to be filed by people who got hurt imitating stunts on shows like "Jackass" or believed that the rules on shows like "Survivor" were applied unfairly. Now, media lawyers and insurance executives say a new sort of lawsuit, involving claims of serious physical and emotional injury to the participants themselves, is on the rise. These suits raise the question, as one filed last month put it, of how the law should address "the public's apparent craving to witness real-life physical and emotional turmoil." That suit was filed by Jill Mouser, who said she was badly hurt in a device called "the harness of pain" on a pilot for a CBS show called "Culture Shock." Unlike the Ryans and Mr. Zelnick, Ms. Mouser had signed a release. But she says it should be disregarded because it failed to warn her about all of the show's hazards. In addition to posing difficult legal questions, the suits are changing the economics of this famously cheap form of programming. "The extraordinary growth of reality programs could only inevitably lead to an equally extraordinary growth in claims," said Sandra Baron, the executive director of the Media Law Resource Center, which collects information about lawsuits against news organizations and entertainment companies. "Insurance is going to soar," Ms. Baron said, "and litigation costs are going to go through the roof." Bob Banner, who produced "Candid Camera" in the 1960's, said he could not recall a lawsuit against that show. "We never tried to embarrass people or put them in a precarious situation," Mr. Banner said. "We did much gentler things." Times have changed, said Gloria Allred, a Los Angeles lawyer who has represents plaintiffs in two other suits pending against reality shows. The reasons, Ms. Allred said, are cultural and economic. "Humiliation TV sells," she said. A new version of "Candid Camera," which appears on the Pax network, was responsible for injuring Mr. Zelnick at an airport in Bullhead City, Ariz., in the summer of 2001. Mr. Zelnick, 35, a personal fitness trainer from Palm Springs, Calif., said he felt coerced into lying on the conveyor belt. "My first reaction was that it had to be a joke," he said. "I asked if it was `Candid Camera.' " Peter Funt, the show's host, was wearing the uniform of an airport security guard. He assured Mr. Zelnick that the request was serious. "You can't joke about these things in an airport," said Mr. Funt, whose father, Allen Funt, created the original show. Mr. Funt did not let Mr. Zelnick in on the joke until he emerged bruised, bloody and screaming in pain. The segment was not broadcast, but similar ones have been popular as "a parody of security in airports," Mr. Funt said in an interview. Mr. Funt said the idea was not representative of the show's usual approach. "It breaks my heart to find myself within the cesspool of reality TV shows," he said. But he conceded that he felt pressure from newer approaches. "It becomes harder and harder," he said, "to hold to standards you believe in when your competitors are fast and furious and footloose and are seeming to have at least some temporary success." Mr. Funt, however, did not express particular sympathy for Mr. Zelnick. "We accidentally hurt somebody," he said. "I was relieved that it wasn't worse and upset that it happened at all. We turned it over to our insurance company. He was offered a token amount, a few thousand dollars, and he turned it down." The lawsuit is scheduled to go to trial this year. Reality shows that do not involve hidden cameras can try to protect themselves from suits by insisting on releases from participants. Jill Mouser and Marcus Russell, a Los Angeles couple, signed such releases before being flown, blindfolded, to what turned out to be the Arizona-New Mexico border for the pilot of a CBS show called "Culture Shock" in October. Ms. Mouser, a 29-year-old saleswoman, said she suffered severe pain and lasting injury after being hung for 40 minutes with her back bent unnaturally in a harness. She and another woman were competing for $100,000 in the final event of the pilot, held at an Indian reservation. The woman who lasted longest was to win the money. The show added an element of emotional tension, too. Mr. Russell, a 33-year-old film director, held the line that kept Ms. Mouser suspended, making him responsible for her agony. When she was eventually lowered, screaming, she was injected with morphine, placed on a backboard and driven to a hospital more than an hour away. "When does it stop?" Mr. Russell asked. "When someone is going to die?" Ms. Mouser and Mr. Russell said they had been pressured to sign a second release four days into the competition and immediately before she was placed in the harness. They said they were told they would forfeit their shot at the prize if they did not sign. Lawyers for CBS and Rocket Science Laboratories, which is producing "Culture Shock," did not respond to requests for comment. The future of the show is uncertain. James and Laurie Ann Ryan, whose Las Vegas vacation was ruined, have sued the Hard Rock Hotel and MTV, which is producing "Harassment," the show that arranged the stunt. The host of "Harassment," the actor Ashton Kutcher, has described the show as "guerrilla `Candid Camera.' " The show will have its debut later this winter, but the segment involving the Ryans will not be used, an MTV spokeswoman said. She would not discuss the lawsuit. Jonathan H. Anschell, a Los Angeles lawyer who represents the defendants in the suit — MTV, the Hard Rock Hotel and Mr. Kutcher — declined to comment, citing the pending litigation and a confidentiality agreement. Barry B. Langberg, a Los Angeles lawyer who represents the Ryans, said that only lawsuits could moderate the conduct of the producers of such shows. "Something like this is done for no other reason than to embarrass people or humiliate them or scare them," Mr. Langberg said. "The producers don't care about human feelings. They don't care about being decent. They only care about money." Television executives love reality programming because it is cheap. But the recent spate of lawsuits may prove costly, and insurance companies have already raised the rates for reality shows significantly. "Premiums have nearly doubled," said Chad Milton, a senior vice president of the insurance brokerage firm Marsh and an expert in media insurance, referring to insurance programs for large companies, "and deductibles have gone up in quantum jumps." Mr. Milton emphasized that these increases had many causes and that insurance prices in general had recently spiked. But, he continued, individual reality shows not covered by a large company's policy can find it hard to obtain insurance at all. Brian Grossman, who represents Ms. Mouser and Mr. Russell, said the producers of such shows were mistaken if they thought lawsuits were simply a cost of doing business. "That's why God invented punitive damages," Mr. Grossman said. Clay Calvert, an associate professor of communications and law at Pennsylvania State University and the author of "Voyeur Nation" (Westview Press, 2000), said other economic pressures must be considered. "It's low-cost programming," Professor Calvert said. "Now the question is whether the costs imposed by litigation will start to make it less financially attractive. But it's still going to be cheaper than paying the cast of `Friends.' " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romo Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by redman I didn't watch the show, but - thinking like a lawyer for a second - what's funny is I wonder how Fox has insulated themselves from a lawsuit for fraud by the women. They've clearly made false representations to the women about the guy's worth as part of (all of?) the reason for his attractiveness - that's the explicit premise of the show. Wouldn't it be hilarious if these women, who will all to a certain extent be humiliated on national television, turned around and sued Fox? Only Fox could/would create such a circus! :laugh: I dont see how they could sue Fox though? I have not seen any guarantees that Evan aka Joe will marry the girl he chooses or that the girl he chooses is entitled to any money he does or doesnt have. To my knowledge there was not one reference to any monetary gain by "winning" the show/Joe's love. Even if Joe had $50 million that does not mean the girl he chose would get any of that money. Anyone with that much money marrying a girl from a tv show would have a pre-nup no doubt. I cant see the girls getting anything if they sue for being embarrassed. Fox no doubt has made them sign an agreement before letting them on the show. If Fox didnt get sued for the "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire" show then i dont see how they could sued for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by Romo sits to pee I cant see the girls getting anything if they sue for being embarrassed. Fox no doubt has made them sign an agreement before letting them on the show. If Fox didnt get sued for the "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire" show then i dont see how they could sued for this. According to California Civil Code Section 3294, "Fraud is "an intentional misrepresentation, deceit, or concealment of a material fact known to the defendant with the intention on the part of the defendant of thereby depriving a person of property or legal rights or otherwise causing injury." (§ 3294, subd. ©(3).)It's pretty clear that a bachelor's wealth is related to his attractiveness to women, right? Is that even arguable? That means that indicating that he's worth $50M is a material fact in the context of this dating lottery they're running. To address your comment about injuries, I'd only point out that even if the winner couldn't claim the $50M as damages, California and most other jurisdictions nowadays recognize purely psychological or emotional injuries. It could certainly be argued that intentionally humiliating a woman or women on national television by "exposing them as gold diggers" or some such thing warrants such damages. For further detail, look at the above posts relishing that very aspect of the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevinthePRF Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 This is the greatest show ever created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romo Posted January 7, 2003 Share Posted January 7, 2003 Originally posted by redman According to California Civil Code Section 3294, "Fraud is "an intentional misrepresentation, deceit, or concealment of a material fact known to the defendant with the intention on the part of the defendant of thereby depriving a person of property or legal rights or otherwise causing injury." (§ 3294, subd. ©(3).) I suppose you are saying any of the women's claims would fall under "otherwise causing injury" right? Because i dont see how they are deprived from property or legal rights in this case. I guess a good lawyer could argue one or all of these women were caused some sort of injury. If i were a judge the only way I would ever give any of these girls money is if the one who was chosen by Joe was truly in love with him and was "injured" by his and Fox's lie. The exposing of the girls as "gold-diggers" lawsuit would seem ludicrous to me because these girls know they are one camera and some are already openly telling the cameras they want a rich, ambitious guy. Deceit or no deceit on behalf of Fox these girls exposed themselves as gold-diggers by opening their mouths. If they did win this lawsuit then a sleezy guy could sue the show "Blind Date" for portraying him as....fill in the blank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thito_da_skins_fan Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 hey Romo sits to pee -- 'Blind Date' is :laugh: anyways, since the show has been previously taped, and we haven't heard of anyone who has sued yet, i don't think it'll happen... i seriously doubt FOX created this show without placing some sort of fine print in the contracts clearly stating they can't be sued... they knew this show would cause controversy and they knew it could possibly lead to a lawsuit... i am sure they are/were prepared... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 BTW- I thought you guys might find this entertaining: The guy ditched paying a toll in California recently. LoL http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ewmarriott1.html He is supposedly a model for some, uh, interesting garb. Those ladies on that show might be up for a bigger surprise than you thought! http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/marriott1.html :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romo Posted January 8, 2003 Share Posted January 8, 2003 I didnt know Blind Date was being sued. Thats pretty funny actually. Joe is one hairy man as those pictures show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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