radagast5 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 I'll be labeled a heretic for this, but if you want to get Art Monk into the Hall of Fame, and soon, Michael Irvin is your man. There is a small cadre of writers who are not convinced that Monk deserves to be in the Hall. The only way we get Monk in is by *convincing* them that Monk should be there. This WILL NOT be accomplished by calling those writers stupid, by bombarding them with hate mail, or by otherwise making their lives miserable. In fact, the last thing we want to do is get Monk in simply by causing these writers duress. The only way, IMO, you're going to convince these writers that #81 is a HOFer is to get enough big-name people, *qualified* people, to tell them that Monk is a HOF. In short: get high-profile players and coaches to support Monk. More than just those who appear in the excellent video piece that was assembled recently. Michael Irvin, in this regard, is the perfect guy for the job. 1. He already supports Monk's induction. 2. He is as high-profile as it gets. 3. He's a loudmouth. He won't shut-up, and in this case that could be a good thing. 4. He is absolutely qualified to have an opinion on this that trumps every writer's opinion. You want to campaign for Monk's induction, start by contacting as many former players and coaches as you can, getting them to go on record as to Monk's induction qualifications, and then present that list to the voting committee with the following question: What makes you think your opinion on Art Monk is more qualified than these people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kramit Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 you bring up some good points. to get anything now adays you have to be loud about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimster Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 what needs to be done, is instead of people making these petitions against the sportswriters who do the voting, something needs to be done in regards to getting the NFL to change the voting structure. Sportwriters should not be involved at all in the process. There needs to be a comittee of people that are made up of current and retired players and coaches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMaster Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 The only way I will ever have any respect for Irvin is if he refuses to go into the Hall unless they put Monk in. He would get some great press for it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtMonk_fav.redskin Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 what needs to be done, is instead of people making these petitions against the sportswriters who do the voting, something needs to be done in regards to getting the NFL to change the voting structure. Sportwriters should not be involved at all in the process.There needs to be a comittee of people that are made up of current and retired players and coaches. I agree. I have said this so many times before, I think the window has closed on Monk ever getting in... I hope I am wrong but seeing Irvin get in before him is sick, next year it will be Reed... :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexxskins Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Darrell Green is already getting promoted by the media (if you wanna call Baldy that). When asked, who stands out from the list below in his mind as being a shoe in to be inducted next year, B.Baldinger immediately chose Darrell Green. :applause: T- Lomas Brown WR- Cris Carter LB- Bryan Cox CB- Darrell Green WR- Herman Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrunkenMaster Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 I think it maybe time to actually protest at the HOF induction ceremonies. I was planning on going if Monk got in but now I might go any way and if we make a big enough scene maybe they will change the voting method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggoraider Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 I agree.I have said this so many times before, I think the window has closed on Monk ever getting in... I hope I am wrong but seeing Irvin get in before him is sick, next year it will be Reed... :logo: I do not think that could possibly validate putting Reed in before Monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radagast5 Posted February 4, 2007 Author Share Posted February 4, 2007 The only way I will ever have any respect for Irvin is if he refuses to go into the Hall unless they put Monk in. He would get some great press for it too. This brings up an interesting question: Can a player refuse induction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radagast5 Posted February 4, 2007 Author Share Posted February 4, 2007 what needs to be done, is instead of people making these petitions against the sportswriters who do the voting, something needs to be done in regards to getting the NFL to change the voting structure. Sportwriters should not be involved at all in the process.There needs to be a comittee of people that are made up of current and retired players and coaches. I like your line of thinking, but I'm not sure that will ever happen. The NFL states that the reason writers and not players/coaches are allowed to choose inductees is because the Hall of Fame is supposed to be for the fans, and the writers (allegedly) better represent the fans than the players would. Just curious, are any of the other three major sports respective Halls of Fame chosen by players? As far as I know, sportswriters rule the roost in all four halls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinfansince73 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 what needs to be done, is instead of people making these petitions against the sportswriters who do the voting, something needs to be done in regards to getting the NFL to change the voting structure. Sportwriters should not be involved at all in the process.There needs to be a comittee of people that are made up of current and retired players and coaches. jimster,You took the words right out of my mouth! I agree with your post 100%! If Sports writers will withhold their vote because they get a hard time from fans,they don't deserve the right to vote! They should grow the same thick skin that they expect the players and coaches to have when slamming them in articles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Consigliere Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 We already know that Tagliabue is being blocked because he could be "condescending" and was not "media friendly" to and with reporters. Fish hacks should have no role whatsoever in voting players into the Hall, they clearly have shown a willingness and a penchant for exercising their grudges in such votes, as such their vote should be removed. I'd reserve the vote for pro bowlers+coaches, and GM's from each era. That way the people who actually know who the best actually were, would control the voting. If guys who schemed against, played against, and drafted and acquired players to deal with guys such as Monk, say Monk isn't deserving, I could accept that. I certainly cannot accept guys that have no more business voting for this, then members of SAG, or the Longshoremen's Union, or blind jazz muscians having the deciding vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskin mark Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Maybe that's what the mediots want to see! A Cowboy helping a Redskin get in the hall! It would almost be like begging! I say no!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan81 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 I think remaining patient & hoping for the best for 7 years is long enough for the media to see the error of their ways. Time to get more vocal & make a stonger point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslowalrob Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Anyone but players and coaches should be allowed to vote. No one can hold a grudge quite like an egomaniacal coach. I can imagine that no NFC East player would ever be enshrined with all the bad blood that those teams have for each other. No one would get in as every player roots for his buddy and backstabs his competition for throwing a stiff-arm in 1983 that he is still pissed off about. Monk will get in eventually, especially since Irvin got in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OVCChairman Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 they do say...."Keep your friends close...and your enemies closer." Kinda makes sense that someone who played against Monk...(not 1-on-1) would realize tha Monk changed the game of football. "money" played the game to win....not to get recogition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 I'll be labeled a heretic for this, but if you want to get Art Monk into the Hall of Fame, and soon, Michael Irvin is your man.There is a small cadre of writers who are not convinced that Monk deserves to be in the Hall. The only way we get Monk in is by *convincing* them that Monk should be there. This WILL NOT be accomplished by calling those writers stupid, by bombarding them with hate mail, or by otherwise making their lives miserable. In fact, the last thing we want to do is get Monk in simply by causing these writers duress. The only way, IMO, you're going to convince these writers that #81 is a HOFer is to get enough big-name people, *qualified* people, to tell them that Monk is a HOF. In short: get high-profile players and coaches to support Monk. More than just those who appear in the excellent video piece that was assembled recently. Michael Irvin, in this regard, is the perfect guy for the job. 1. He already supports Monk's induction. 2. He is as high-profile as it gets. 3. He's a loudmouth. He won't shut-up, and in this case that could be a good thing. 4. He is absolutely qualified to have an opinion on this that trumps every writer's opinion. You want to campaign for Monk's induction, start by contacting as many former players and coaches as you can, getting them to go on record as to Monk's induction qualifications, and then present that list to the voting committee with the following question: What makes you think your opinion on Art Monk is more qualified than these people? Rad, you are right on target, as usual. Excellent post, excellent thread. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkart Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 This is a good thread and post RAD, I hate that writers are the ones who decide who goes in, but we all know that won't change. So you are spot on with you post about Irvin, he would be a great mouth piece in our corner. :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 You know what gets to me? When I hear all these jackasses say Irvin was the "heart and soul" of the Cowpukes teams of the 90's. EMMITT SMITH was the REAL Heart and Soul. They don't win SQUAT without him. He played in a playoff game against the Giants with a separated shoulder. He literally beat them with one arm tied behind his back. Noone game planned to stop Crackhead. They gameplanned to stop Emmitt. This shows the lack of basic football knowledge of the HOF voters. Smith had over 160 yards rushing and had around 50 yards receiving in that game against NY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyman214 Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 Great idea about getting some support from HOFer's. I still think the system is broken. These writers are told to only evaluate the on the field credentials, but it's obvious they take other factors into play (ie. Monk & Tagliabue). Art was never a media darling and Tags was not a big fan of the media either. There needs to be a mix of writers, HOFer's, GM's & Coaches to make this fair. Putting this decision into the hands of 40 egomaniacal writers who (in their mind) can do no wrong is ridiculous!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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