NavyDave Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Carlos roger played and started his rookie year. Rivers sat for just as long as campbell except for the injury brees had last year and the chargers have a solid oline, defense, TE and some guy named Ladanian Tomlinson to help Rivers out so use a better comparison for campbell. There is no excuse for not playing McIntosh unless you are trying to say that he is stupid or the coaches are pathetic teachers or cant come up with a package to use him in. Who ever contended that Holdman was a solution? Williams seats his rookies (see Carlos Rogers) unless injuries play a factor (see Kedric Golston). Many want McIntosh in right now, just like we wanted Jason Campbell in. Though... Campbell's 1-2 as of now. So far, he's hardly the spark Phillip Rivers was. Is it better to keep rookies on the bench to let them soak stuff up? Who knows... but get used to it and stop complaining cuz that's the way it is here with this coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsWizCubsDukes Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 My point with Holdman is: switching 1 of 3 linebackers, 1 of 11 defensive players on the field, will not make the defense play better. The team is not as strong as it's weakest link. Though he can hamper you by becoming a liability, a target of the opposing offense, that's still not enough. Every team has a weak spot (due to injuries, suspensions, free agency, etc) but that doesn't stop them. We have to stop blaming individual players... Actually the team is ONLY as strong as its weakest link, with Holdman on the field, teams can just run the ball right at him and he can't make a play. It may not be the ONLY reason we are losing but it DEFINATELY a problem. GW has too big of an ego to admit a mistake, as stated earlier. Our defense will definately play better if we had a better weak side LB. ALMOST every defense has weak spot, not a complete vacancy. We traded up to draft a guy that hasn't seen the field...can we at least see what Rocky McIntosh can do, I think has earned his right to play with his stellar special teams play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxtalls Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 You can't spell Holdman without oldman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planter Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 There really was no argument. The Skins have released LBs Arrington, Pierce, and Trotter and have not replaced them. Not only was the Arrington void never filled but the Skins continue to play run defense with a 225 lb. MLB. who, no doubt, is better in coverage but against the run.....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 well, that is my other point. Washington is fine. Marshall should be moved to the outside and compete with Rocky for the weakside job. The club then needs to find a 245-250 middle backer to stuff the run and make plays on THEIR side of the line of scrimmage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redskinsforlife Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Phillip Rivers has LT. we have no CP and Ladell Betts. Nuff said! No, not nuff said. Jason C is nowhere close to Phillip Rivers from a talent standpoint. Not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Master III Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 If that is true then that is truly pathetic. :doh: Where did you get that stat? yea you can't even say "stats"... lol... we have to say that Warrick Foldman had a stat (1 solo tackle) :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkforhall Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 There really was no argument.The Skins have released LBs Arrington, Pierce, and Trotter and have not replaced them. Not only was the Arrington void never filled but the Skins continue to play run defense with a 225 lb. MLB. who, no doubt, is better in coverage but against the run.....? Arrington was still good too. He was really coming on in that Giants game he got hurt. Pierce has been a beast, and Trotter has been a beast. How about Walt Harris. So is it the players not very good, or the coaches inability to get the most out ot the players that they have. We may get rid of Arch, he'll go somewhere else and turn into Ronnie Lott. What is with this area. Ben Wallace, Jagr... that list is endless. We deserve a good team somewhere. Go Caps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
project myu Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I have a question as I didn't think to check while watchin the game yesterday. Which side did Holdman play on yesterday? Remember in the 2005 season - Philip Daniels and Holdman were on the left side, and that's where the big runs came from. Now it's the 2006 season - Andre Carter and Holdman on the left side and the big runs came there. However, I think I read Holdman and Washington switched sides last week. Then yesterday, it seemed like the big runs were all on the right side... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins84 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 The Seahawks had no problem shutting us down and getting to the superbowl last year with 2 ROOKIE lb's starting for them. Why do people think it takes so long for players to learn the plays???? The only position that requires a longer learning curve is qb. Sims, Hawk, Demeco Ryans, all are having great seasons and have been starting from day one. It's not that hard to pick up the scheme. Either he sucks or Greg Williams is just really stubborn. He's been here long enough to know his assignments. So will people stop using that excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 You can't spell Holdman without oldman Nominated for post of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Arrington was still good too. He was really coming on in that Giants game he got hurt. Pierce has been a beast, and Trotter has been a beast. How about Walt Harris. So is it the players not very good, or the coaches inability to get the most out ot the players that they have. We may get rid of Arch, he'll go somewhere else and turn into Ronnie Lott. What is with this area. Ben Wallace, Jagr... that list is endless. We deserve a good team somewhere. Go Caps. The Caps tried to buy a championship, but now they are learning to use the farm system again. It's working. Gotta give it time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedzoneHunter Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 The season is far spent. So it's definitely time to insert Rocky Mac and see how he can fit in. After watching his aggressiveness in preseason, I have a sneaking suspicion he would be a beast in the middle. Marshall needs to be moved back outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Who ever contended that Holdman was a solution? Williams seats his rookies (see Carlos Rogers) unless injuries play a factor (see Kedric Golston). Many want McIntosh in right now, just like we wanted Jason Campbell in. Though... Campbell's 1-2 as of now. So far, he's hardly the spark Phillip Rivers was. Is it better to keep rookies on the bench to let them soak stuff up? Who knows... but get used to it and stop complaining cuz that's the way it is here with this coaching staff. In a lost season (no hope for post season) it's definitely better to get them on the field and find out what we have in them. We have to know if they can hang or not. We do have a corps of young players that can either play or can't play. A corps that we will build around or not. Regardless, the time is now to find out what we have with some of these guys, and the biggest questions are Campbell and Rocky. At least Campbell is building a film and personal base of experience that he can look back on in the off-season and use a a basis to train to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted December 5, 2006 Share Posted December 5, 2006 It ain't over till I say It's over.....OKay, it's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CooleyKnight Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 Just for the record, was the 1 solo tackle by Holdman against Atlanta when Vick just ducked to ground and let Warrick touch him down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stwasm Posted December 6, 2006 Share Posted December 6, 2006 I'd like to know what Holdman has on the coaching staff that keeps him employed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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