MontanaRed Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Market is demaning substance over spam, I think. Couldn't agree more. Beats the usual "r teem sux on d-fence" post. Thanks for the thread! Gave me some key points to look for on Sunday. Completely agree with you on Marcus and Lemar Marshall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
909997 Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 good read i agree we have alot of talents but we need some good dline men for rush average secondary looks amazing with a little pass rush*chargers* with our talented secondary and a pass rush is deadly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Actually the D is playing well on first and second downs - we are still pretty tough to run on - but has been unable to get off the field on 3rd downs. This means drives get extended, points get scored and critically it takes away the opportunity to do what we do best on offense - run the ball and control the clock. We only had 40 odd offensive snaps against the Giants. I think the original poster made a lot of good points re the lack of pass rush from the down 4 - thats a huge factor in our inability to stop the pass on 3rd down. However we do have coverage problems - only 2 of the 5 DB's who play in the nickle package are NFL calibre coverage guys in my view (ST and Rodgers) the other 3 guys back there make me very nervous to say the least. When we get Springs back that goes up to 3. Given that AA is a liability much of the time in coverage he is better employed going after the QB - not every time but most of the time. So in nickle I would rush 5 with either Washington or AA being the extra pass rusher. I'd also play a lot more man than zone as I just do not think we play zone very well - we seem to react late and make tackles not knock downs or INTS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyburd Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Man I hope Williams is not our next head coach. This guy never adjusts at all during the game. I used to think he was a smart coach, but man, I am less and less impressed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 The defensive line is getting pushed sideways and back quite a bit this year. Without a push from them, you got nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Monk Fan Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 MartinC has it right. The defense is playing well on first and second down, but falling apart on third -- especially thrid and long. The reason for this is simple: we don't have the third-down package we planned on during the off season. You've got to remember that we're not just missing Springs; Prioleau went out for the year on the first play of the regular season. Though he's listed as a safety, he's been an essential component of our nickle and dime packages. Our thrid-down coverage package is missing two key guys, both of whom have been replaced by new-comers to the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomgraham Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 Put Rocky in ASAP. Holdman stinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSkinzBaby Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I agree with this post however I don't think that Springs is as important as everyone thinks. The main issue is Carlos Rogers has shown nothing to be fearful of. He has concrete for hands, can't catch a cold and his technique for looking back for the ball is non existant. How Danny can give Andre Carter 30 million for 1 good season (his rookie year) is plain retarded. We could have had Darren Howard who is built to be a dominate DE in the NFC East. We don't need no 254 pound Tony Atlas who gets thrown all over the field to try to rush, the tackles are just too darn big and strong! as far as Adam Archuleta I have to feel that the Pierson Preilow (spelling) injury was more of a blow to the defense than what was let on. From what I hear AA wasn't even going to start, however the injury dictated that he did! We also need to keep players we draft and stop discarding them and seeking out "BIG NAME" players that once they recieve the huge contracts and signing bonuses don't produce. This defense would be so much better if Ryan Clark was still here and if Pierce was still here. That way Lemar Marshall would take Holdman's spot. I also think that Montgomery and Goldston need more playing time other than when people are injured. Goldston needs to start and Salaveau needs to be the rotational tackle. I also think that we have WAY TOO MANY COACHES We need to stop running this franchise like a dot com and go back to SMASHMOUTH REDSKINS FOOTBALL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor 36 Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I disagree about Holdman. He has played well enough this season. I completely agree with the telegraphing of blitzes. At the very least, when the Skins do, they should try and audible out of it. Send someone else. Have AA look like he's blitzing, but send Lemar. Stuff like that I've been saying the same thing. Last week, Eli and the center were constantly point before the snap to players that were telegraphing blitzes, so of course the Giants picked up all the blitzes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P007 Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I love seeing all of the passion for what will make the Redskins defense play better. Unfortunately, I don't care how many shutdown corners you have, if the defense CANNOT generate a pass rush, the defensive backs will eventually be exposed. Even if we had Deion Sanders in his prime, it will not help so the suggestions to bring in "flopped" 1st round picks and "over the hill" safeties are not justified. The receiver knows where they want to go, whereas the DB is trailing them to prevent the reception. The reason Champ Bailey theoretically looks better in Denver than he did in Washington is because they have better defensive personel, from top to bottom. Simple!If you really notice, the 'Skins secondary gets burned on plays when we blitz and the heat does not get in. If you blitz, you create man on man coverage downfield. A DB can only cover a receiver for so long and eventually, they will be exposed. The question is how much time is too much? If an LB blitzes (for instance Marcus Washington), who is responsible for covering the TE and backs? If a safety blitzes (Archuleta or Taylor), who is responsible for the coverage? When we send 5 rushers (blitzing just a safety or LB), do we have the personel to accomplish that task of covering receivers if the heat does not get through? The answer is an emphatic NO! All the great defenses in NFL history are dominated by HOF and ALL PRO defensive linemen. Most of the great linebackers are middle linebackers. If you can collapse the pocket with "four" down linemen, the secondary will look beautiful because you don't have to use exotic "packages" to generate heat. Case in point... for instance, look at the Panthers, Bears and Ravens. If you are able to create havoc will your four down linemen, when you "eventually" blitz, it will resemble a page from the '85 Bears defensive playbook. Blitzing is supposed to be situational... not a normality. IMO, Greg Williams has his defensive philosophy backwards and that is why we are suffering the effects right now with Shawn Springs injured, and searching for answers from the secondary. The problem starts from the D-Line and progresses to GW's defensive playcalling. Here is my evaluation of the Skins defensive personel: - Andre Carter - So far, he is not living up to his end of the bargain (yikes... he was definitely not a bargain!) 8 solo tackles. At this rate, we are paying him $1M per tackle! - Cornelius Griffin - Is he hurt? 10 solo tackles in 5 games is definitely not going to cut it. I give him the benefit of the doubt but he is not bringing the same thunder. - Joe Salave'a - We know he is hurt but the young buck, Kedric Goldston has played well in his absence. However, we need more production pushing up and clogging the middle so the linebackers can do their jobs of actually "tackling" someone. - Phillip Daniels - Another under achieving defensive end... SIX solo tackles on the season. What more can you say? Nothing! - Marcus Washington - the heart and soul of the defense is having to blitz a lot to compensate for the absence of a pass rush. This unfortunately takes away our best playmaking linebacker and makes him one dimensional. In addition, it is adding wear and tear on his body, banging against those huge offensive tackles and tight ends, that by the fourth quarter when we need to make those key stops, he is practically worn down. - Lemar Marshall - the quarterback of the defense... leads the team in tackles and is playing well. Unfortunately, he is having to make up for MW's absence and Holdman's incompetence and lack of awareness in pass coverage. Many times, I have seen Lemar having to "choose" who to cover because some bum did not know his assignment. - Warrick Holdman - This guy is a complete liability in the defense. He looks like a deer caught in front of the headlights of a tractor trailor. He can't cover himself even if you gave him a blanket. He is incompetent and GW needs to get the rookie (Rocky McIntosh) in the game immediately. RM can't be worse than this guy, can he? HECK... We gave up two draft picks for him! - Carlos Rogers - God bless him with some hands this weekend because Vince Young throws a soft ball. The second year corner is finding how difficult life is as a #1 cornerback! This is good for him because I really believe that when Sean Springs returns to full strength, he will be even better for it. - Kenny "Pass Interference" Wright aka PI - After making some strides (our only DB with an interception... whoopty dooo) he seems to have taken some steps backwards. I can't wait for Sean Springs to return because this will relegate seeing PI exclusively on special teams. Mike Rumph will eventually take his place as the choice nickel corner. Is that saying much? - Adam Archuleta - What did you guys expect when we got him? He has "4 times" as many sacks as interceptions in his illustrious career! He is a better pass rusher than coverage man. Unfortunately, the primary job of your strong safety is to secure the secondary and support the run. We have it backwards with AA. It is what it is... - Sean Taylor - When you have a non factor starting on your defense (Holdman), that already puts your secondary at a disadvantage and then when you have two pass coverage liabilities (Holdman + Archuleta) the problems get magnified especially when you don't have Springs. It is too much to ask you free safety to cover a WR man on man... ST is a great player, but putting that type of responsibilty on him is too much to ask for. Therefore, this is my recommendation: The D-Line needs to pack their lunch and dinner and play with more fire in their belly. The effort seems to be there but they need to step it up another notch. We need to tone down our blitzing to 25% of the offenses snaps, picking out more strategical situations. WHEN we do blitz, I recommend a 5 man rush (4 D-Linemen + a LB or Archuleta) and we should send no more than 6 pass rushers (4 D-Linemen + a LB + Archuleta). For God's sake, don't telegraph the blitz! You can show 8-9 in the box but it should not mean that they are all coming. If we send a LB to blitz, send Holdman or McIntosh. MW is our best cover LB. We need him in pass coverage and not as a 3rd down pass rushing specialist, in addition to his other committments. Is the injury to Chris Clemons (released due to season ending knee injury during the preseason) a lot bigger than we are realizing? BTW... Who designs a defense like this, where a MLB or Safety covers the opposing teams #1 WR? So Coach Greg Williams... How hard could this be to rectify? :mad: Damn good post, damn good post. I have made the same arguements as well. I actually think the DE's are fine, especially Carter, he comes off the edge really good, but what hurts is the DT's get no push up the middle. Our D is weak up the middle, and any great D, is at its strongest up the middle. We need a better MLB, and stud DT's that will make our D so much better. You are on point with all of your arguements, damn good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted October 13, 2006 Share Posted October 13, 2006 I think it is nice to hear what Williams has to say in his interviews. It looks like there is a learning process with Carter and Arch that is ongoing, and the coach is learning a lot about what they can and can't do and making adjustments based on that. Carter is starting to get there. He did almost get to Manning in the game Sunday. I do think things will get better once Springs returns full strength. He'll give the line more time to get there. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Execution56 Posted October 13, 2006 Author Share Posted October 13, 2006 Call the defense out against a winless team.....:doh: Lets wait 1 more week and then see what we have with a totally healthy starting 11(with Springs return likely) against the best offense in the NFL. An undefeated team:applause: What do you think now? I called out the defense against a winless team because I know that football (especially defense) is a game of emotion and passion. I wished they had heard my cries for consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Execution56 Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 What do you think now? I called out the defense against a winless team because I know that football (especially defense) is a game of emotion and passion. I wished they had heard my cries for consistency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSkinzBaby Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Well this defense was called out and this team lost to a 0- 5 team! This defense was called out and played quite possibly the worse game this year. Maybe people should not call this team out anymore!! ROFLOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Execution56 Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 Well this defense was called out and this team lost to a 0- 5 team! This defense was called out and played quite possibly the worse game this year. Maybe people should not call this team out anymore!! ROFLOL! Great idea... Let's shut down the message board. You leave first! LOL :shot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaSkinzBaby Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 Great idea... Let's shut down the message board. You leave first! LOL:shot: Don't get your thongs in a bunch I was just blowing off steam, this team is pitiful and personally I believe they will stay that way. This team simply lacks heart, has no veteran that can demand respect and the whole franchise is out of whack! :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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