headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 And how do you "tune up" pnac without trashing those Jeffersonian teachings? what "jeffersonian" teachings are u implying, because the ones i was using were that mankind is born equal and naturally good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Regardless I have a very nasty feeling the draft will be coming back soon. im the perfect age too. that figures :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 im the perfect age too. that figures :doh: True...although I hope I am SOOOOO wrong about the draft coming back...I have a 21 year old nephew...and I would be upset if he got drafted (or anyone else's child for that matter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 True...although I hope I am SOOOOO wrong about the draft coming back...I have a 21 year old nephew...and I would be upset if he got drafted (or anyone else's child for that matter). well i would hate to go to a meaning less war like iraq, but if ww3 came along...i see no alternative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Don't worry you ARE wrong about any draft coming back. It would never pass congress, the military doesn't want it, and there's absolutely no need for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Don't worry you ARE wrong about any draft coming back. It would never pass congress, the military doesn't want it, and there's absolutely no need for one. there isnt need for one YET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 well i would hate to go to a meaning less war like iraq, but if ww3 came along...i see no alternative If WW3 comes along...there probably won't be the need for a draft...it's safe to say Nukes will be used be someone...and once one person uses them then everybody will get in on it. And if someone tries to Nuke us I can tell you now Washington DC will be one of the 1st 3 cities targeted (along with LA & probably New York City). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Don't worry you ARE wrong about any draft coming back. It would never pass congress, the military doesn't want it, and there's absolutely no need for one. I hope you're right, but with the way the world is now-a-days...who knows? things can change. I am not saying I disagree with you but some of the signs aren't looking promising. (The war on terrorism & Military recruitment is down for starters). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 BACK ON TOPIC: I'm going to go with 1. Canada 2. Greenland 3. Paraguay 4. Nepal The new axis of evil Syria, Sudan, and Iran are also possibilities.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 what "jeffersonian" teachings are u implying, because the ones i was using were that mankind is born equal and naturally good The Jeffersonian philosophy held that all men had the right to be informed, and thus, to have a say in the government. The protection and expansion of human liberty was one of the chief goals of the Jeffersonians. PNAC is a group of individuals working to inform and have a "say" in goverment,they also work to promote human liberty...sometimes at the point of a gun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 If WW3 comes along...there probably won't be the need for a draft...it's safe to say Nukes will be used be someone...and once one person uses them then everybody will get in on it. And if someone tries to Nuke us I can tell you now Washington DC will be one of the 1st 3 cities targeted (along with LA & probably New York City). i wouldnt say that, because thats what they were worried about during korea, and everything worked out. if ww3 comes around i think that, as long as we have a good president, no nukes will be used by us and if someone else tries to use one it will get intercepted. u cant tell me that living near china and n. korea, both of whom hate japan, that japan hasnt or isnt developing an anti missle system. and ours will get better with better technology Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 The Jeffersonian philosophy held that all men had the right to be informed, and thus, to have a say in the government. The protection and expansion of human liberty was one of the chief goals of the Jeffersonians.PNAC is a group of individuals working to inform and have a "say" in goverment,they also work to promote human liberty...sometimes at the point of a gun "The protection and expansion of human liberty was one of the chief goals of the Jeffersonians"- i dont see how that relates to promoting america as leader of the "free world" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins24 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 I hope you're right, but with the way the world is now-a-days...who knows? things can change.I am not saying I disagree with you but some of the signs aren't looking promising. (The war on terrorism & Military recruitment is down for starters). Ehh.... Military recruitment isn't down that much and what about the WOT? And where are these signs? Remember after 9/11, military recruitment shot up. If someone else was stupid enough to attack us (especially if it was a country or state sponsered), military recruitment again would shoot up. If someone was stupid enough to invade us, again there'd be no need for a draft because the militrary would more than likely be swamped with new recruits. If we were going to attack another country like we did Iraq, I still don't see the need for a draft. Just increase the troop number. How many are in Iraq right now? 130,000 or so? That's out of 1.4+ million (all branches) excluding reserves and the guard.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 BACK ON TOPIC:I'm going to go with 1. Canada 2. Greenland 3. Paraguay 4. Nepal The new axis of evil Syria, Sudan, and Iran are also possibilities.... well we are already at war with france...according to bill o'reilly:doh: and watch out for those tricky nepalians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Ehh....Military recruitment isn't down that much and what about the WOT? And where are these signs? Remember after 9/11, military recruitment shot up. If someone else was stupid enough to attack us (especially if it was a country or state sponsered), military recruitment again would shoot up. If someone was stupid enough to invade us, again there'd be no need for a draft because the militrary would more than likely be swamped with new recruits. If we were going to attack another country like we did Iraq, I still don't see the need for a draft. Just increase the troop number. How many are in Iraq right now? 130,000 or so? That's out of 1.4+ million (all branches) excluding reserves and the guard.... we have over 1 million people in the armed services, but thats not how many are combat units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 i wouldnt say that, because thats what they were worried about during korea, and everything worked out. if ww3 comes around i think that, as long as we have a good president, no nukes will be used by us and if someone else tries to use one it will get intercepted.u cant tell me that living near china and n. korea, both of whom hate japan, that japan hasnt or isnt developing an anti missle system. and ours will get better with better technology I doubt we would be the first to use them, but the SDI system (according to a CNN report)is only working 50% of the time during their test runs In fact it's not even nukes I am really worried about right now...Madeline Albright but it best a couple of nights ago when she said if one of these tests goes wrong or (God forbid) actually works out and one of those missles nails Tokyo...it's going to be WW3 no question about it. I mean the North Koreans are saying even if sanctions are imposed they will interpret them as an act of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 They push for leadership not Empire,imo The Case for American Empire, by Max Boot The Case for the Empire I am just scrathing the surfare Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 "The protection and expansion of human liberty was one of the chief goals of the Jeffersonians"- i dont see how that relates to promoting america as leader of the "free world" Compare the human liberties enjoyed in the countries we have conquered during our leadership of the world to most any others...It is almost poetic justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 I doubt we would be the first to use them, but the SDI system (according to a CNN report)is only working 50% of the time during their test runsIn fact it's not even nukes I am really worried about right now...Madeline Albright but it best a couple of nights ago when she said if one of these tests goes wrong or (God forbid) actually works out and one of those missles nails Tokyo...it's going to be WW3 no question about it. I mean the North Koreans are saying even if sanctions are imposed they will interpret them as an act of war. time to take a trip to canada:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Compare the human liberties enjoyed in the countries we have conquered during our leadership of the world to most any others...It is almost poetic justice. u mean like vietnam or iraq or afgahnistan? maybe it was poetic justice when we used the cia to oust leaders of iran and venezuala and cuba and other countries during the 50's and put in place pro american leaders who went on to become ruthless and kill thousands if not millions of their own people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 The Case for American Empire, by Max Boot The Case for the Empire I am just scrathing the surfare Perhaps you should read them,rather than assuming based on a term? 1st link: Unilateral U.S. rule may no longer be an option today. But the United States can certainly lead an international occupation force under U.N. auspices, with the cooperation of some Muslim nations. This would be a huge improvement in any number of lands that support or shelter terrorists. For the sake of simplicity, let's consider two: Afghanistan and Iraq. 2nd: :doh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Perhaps you should read them,rather than assuming based on a term? Oh, I have This was bit disturbing headline, don't ya think........... "The most realistic response to terrorism is for America to embrace its imperial role." The point of the 2nd link was to expose the mindset of many neocon intellectuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 i got lost with the mention of jedi...but i see ur point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 u mean like vietnam or iraq or afgahnistan? maybe it was poetic justice when we used the cia to oust leaders of iran and venezuala and cuba and other countries during the 50's and put in place pro american leaders who went on to become ruthless and kill thousands if not millions of their own people Ah to be 16 and niave again The only one of those that really really failed was Iran. That to me is the biggest blunder of the 20th century and the blowback caused by toppling Mossadagh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 u mean like vietnam or iraq or afgahnistan? maybe it was poetic justice when we used the cia to oust leaders of iran and venezuala and cuba and other countries during the 50's and put in place pro american leaders who went on to become ruthless and kill thousands if not millions of their own people When did we conquer Nam? Iraq ,I can give you plenty of testimony of how much more liberty they enjoy...and Afghanistan is coming along slowly from the stone age On the CIA I will concede incompetence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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