headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 i have a feeling that this thread is taking a turn to the political arena and well it wasnt supposed to, but wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 i have a feeling that this thread is taking a turn to the political arena and well it wasnt supposed to, but wtf Ignore the troll ,he's had his fun :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 PNAC is a group of powerfull,smart and wealthy CONSERVATIVE individuals that the left thinks controls the world.scoll down on the loopy link for some names associated with pnac if you wish. http://www.opednews.com/new%20american%20century.htm L is just pining for the good ole days of Berger Pay no mind :laugh: It doesn’t only consist of "conservative" members. I don't believe they control the world, but they have enormous power over American foreign policy. It's truly tragic how conservatives have come to embrace a liberal foreign policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 It doesn’t only consist of "conservative" members. I don't believe they control the world, but they have enormous power over American foreign policy. It's truly tragic how conservatives have come to embrace a liberal foreign policy. well if the chairman of the group is a regular contributor to fox news, i think we can assume that the majority of the people of the "think tank" are also conservative Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 btw thats a very interesting video u have in ur sig, im watching it right now. the why we fight video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 well if the chairman of the group is a regular contributor to fox news, i think we can assume that the majority of the people of the "think tank" are also conservative You are right, but it is a bipartisan think tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 It doesn’t only consist of "conservative" members. I don't believe they control the world, but they have enormous power over American foreign policy. It's truly tragic how conservatives have come to embrace a liberal foreign policy. Neo-cons baby :laugh: the true conservatives are still lagging behind Why do you think they should NOT have influence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 You are right, but it is a bipartisan think tank. a bipartisan think tank with a conservative chairman...hmm...perhaps adding a liberal co chairman would even things out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Why do you think they should NOT have influence? Because I find their views dangerous. I am not a big fan of social engineering, especially when attempted by the point of a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 "Critics allege the controversial organization proposes military and economic, space, cyberspace, and global domination by the United States, so as to establish — or maintain — American dominance in world affairs" hear that? bow down ****es.:notworthy not only will we rule the world, and the moon, but google as well......ah hahahahaha:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 btw thats a very interesting video u have in ur sig, im watching it right now. the why we fight video Yep, it is pretty damn good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 their views of world domination are finally being realized with their moronic puppet on the "presidential" throne of america Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Yep, it is pretty damn good im only about 10 min in but its very interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Because I find their views dangerous. I am not a big fan of social engineering, especially when attempted by the point of a gun. They should just shut up and let those you agree with run things? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I would much prefer to be the one holding the gun considering the options,or do you believe in the inate goodness of mankind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 I would much prefer to be the one holding the gun considering the options,or do you believe in the inate goodness of mankind? No, I have a mix view of human nature. Conservatives tend to have a far more pessimistic view of human nature. So from a conservative standpoint, the neocon view of the world should be rejected. I don't believe in benevolent empire, if you are familiar with organizations like PNAC and the Weekly standard, you should realize they advocate and support the idea of American empire. That's not tin-foil stuff, they actually print such nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 They should just shut up and let those you agree with run things? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I would much prefer to be the one holding the gun considering the options,or do you believe in the inate goodness of mankind? i dont know exactly what ur talking about, but concerning "the inate goodness of mankind", i would have to stand by the beliefs of john locke and thomas jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 No, I have a mix view of human nature. Conservatives tend to have a far more pessimistic view of human nature. So from a conservative standpoint, the neocon view of the world should be rejected. I don't believe in benevolent empire, if you are familiar with organizations like PNAC and the Weekly standard, you should realize they advocate and support the idea of American empire. That's not tin-foil stuff, they actually print such nonsense. I also have a mixed view,but largely pessimistic. The notion of America leading is one I support,mainly because I cannot think of any other country that is more qualified and capable and nature and mankind tend to fill a vacum. They push for leadership not Empire,imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 well maybe they should push for good leadership:2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 for us to think that it is our job to lead the world is ridiculous. it portraits us as power hungry and aragant. if u wonder why other countries resent us, its because we take it upon our selves to be the leaders and all other countries should do as we say. if the pnac play a big role in our foreign policy, anti american sentiments wont be going away any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
altair4 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Regime change starts at home.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Regime change starts at home.... dont count on it. but once we get a new president i think the pnac needs some big tune ups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 for us to think that it is our job to lead the world is ridiculous. it portraits us as power hungry and aragant. if u wonder why other countries resent us, its because we take it upon our selves to be the leaders and all other countries should do as we say. if the pnac play a big role in our foreign policy, anti american sentiments wont be going away any time soon No leaving it to the UN or some despot would be rediculous. Do you feel China would fail to exert it's influence if we withdrew? You want rid of anti-american sentiment? Become poor,weak and powerless as a nation...then the world might pity us while they walk on our corpse. :2cents: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 dont count on it. but once we get a new president i think the pnac needs some big tune ups And how do you "tune up" pnac without trashing those Jeffersonian teachings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECU-ALUM Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Regardless I have a very nasty feeling the draft will be coming back soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 No leaving it to the UN or some despot would be rediculous.Do you feel China would fail to exert it's influence if we withdrew? You want rid of anti-american sentiment? Become poor,weak and powerless as a nation...then the world might pity us while they walk on our corpse. :2cents: first of all the UN really is a puppet that we pretend has global power, but we use the UN to get what we want and its been that way since its inception after ww2. second, where would china exert its power? and if they did dont u think that it wouldnt just be us acting on it? third, yes, getting rid of anti american sentiment would be a good thing last, i never said become weak and powerless, and i dont see that and being less imposing as a trade off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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