headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Ah to be 16 and niave againThe only one of those that really really failed was Iran. That to me is the biggest blunder of the 20th century and the blowback caused by toppling Mossadagh well u know putting castro in cuba didnt turn out well either and neither did our plan to get him out. btw, i cant believe that ****head is still alive. then there was one or two countries in south america, i think it was venezula...i dont remember but i learned about all of this stuff last semester. we also put in that one guy in south vietnam who those people didnt like, so to say that our only blunder was iran, which may have been the biggest, is an understatement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Ah to be 16 and niave againThe only one of those that really really failed was Iran. That to me is the biggest blunder of the 20th century and the blowback caused by toppling Mossadagh Oh, I can't wait to turn 24 and be blind to injustices committed by my government. -But hey, I mean South America hasn't embraced radical leftist thugs -Vietnam turned out to be a smashing success - Cuba is a liberal democracy Oh wait...................... At least you got the Iran part right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Perhaps you should read them,rather than assuming based on a term?1st link: Unilateral U.S. rule may no longer be an option today. But the United States can certainly lead an international occupation force under U.N. auspices, with the cooperation of some Muslim nations. This would be a huge improvement in any number of lands that support or shelter terrorists. For the sake of simplicity, let's consider two: Afghanistan and Iraq. 2nd: :doh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :rotflmao: :laugh: #2 was funny, I guess that guy missed the part where the death star blew up a planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 When did we conquer Nam? Iraq ,I can give you plenty of testimony of how much more liberty they enjoy...and Afghanistan is coming along slowly from the stone age On the CIA I will concede incompetence ur right about nam, but we did mess things up by putting in an incompetant leader in south vietnam, who just increased vietcong support and i only said iraq and afgahnistan because i was hoping that u would tell me who we have helped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 #2 was funny It's funny at first, but eventually you come to realization that these guys are bloody serious. The one positive thing I can say about neocons is that they can be breathtakingly honest at times. You know what the scary thing is, Jacksonianism ( which fuels most conservative support for expansive militarism). Jacksonians make Neocons look like pacifists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Retracted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 too many big words...like the guy said im naive and i dont understand what is going on in the world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 If you get a call for real Empire from that article you are less intelligent than I assumed...sorry I wasted both our time. Why go to insults? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Oh, I can't wait to turn 24 and be blind to injustices committed by my government. -But hey, I mean South America hasn't embraced radical leftist thugs -Vietnam turned out to be a smashing success - Cuba is a liberal democracy Oh wait...................... At least you got the Iran part right. Do I think it all worked? No not at all Of course the politics of the Cold War were not about doing "good" It was about containment. Of course we forgot to add the Chilean debacle as well support for Saddam, along with leaving Afghanistan in 1989 the way we did. I can throw support for Isreal in there also But I am not dumb enough to think that our politicians actually thought that far ahead during the Cold War. There was one mission and one mission only, contain communism And, seeing the Berlin Wall fall, as well Eastern Europe free itself from the shackles of communism and stalinism, it appears something worked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Why go to insults? yes, this is my ****ing thread and i make up the rules. with that said, lets keep it civilized by refraining from insults please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 yes, this is my ****ing thread and i make up the rules. with that said, lets keep it civilized by refraining from insults please Actually the mods make the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Do I think it all worked? No not at allOf course the politics of the Cold War were not about doing "good" It was about containment. Of course we forgot to add the Chilean debacle as well support for Saddam, along with leaving Afghanistan in 1989 the way we did But I am not dumb enough to think that our politicians actually thought that far ahead during the Cold War. There was one mission and one mission only, contain communism And, seeing the Berlin Wall fall, as well Eastern Europe free itself from the shackles of communism and stalinism, it appears something worked ur right and i agree that we had to do some stuff to contain communism, and we did **** up badly in some cases, but the whole point is that today we are still intruding and the threat of communism is gone. yes communism still exists, but the threat is gone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 And, seeing the Berlin Wall fall, as well Eastern Europe free itself from the shackles of communism and stalinism, it appears something worked Or maybe something didn't work. That something being Communism. Sure we helped quicken the fall, but don't we all agree that it was doomed from the start economically? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Actually the mods make the rules who do u think the mods bow down to?:notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 If you get a call for real Empire from that article you are less intelligent than I assumed...sorry I wasted both our time. Maybe I got more out of it than you because, I am very familiar with Mr. Boot's work. too many big words...like the guy said im naive and i dont understand what is going on in the world Jacksonianism is essentially screw them all, lets bomb them to death type nationalism ( when it comes to foreign policy). They are not interested in democracy, just pure unabashed force. Easy enough, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 ur right about nam, but we did mess things up by putting in an incompetant leader in south vietnam, who just increased vietcong supportand i only said iraq and afgahnistan because i was hoping that u would tell me who we have helped We screwed up Nam by not going in to win or staying out all together,you don't wage war halfassed. Japan,Philipines,Germany,France,Poland ,Tiawan, S Korea ect,ect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 Or maybe something didn't work. That something being Communism. Sure we helped quicken the fall, but don't we all agree that it was doomed from the start economically? surprisingly, people actually believe that the fall of the soviet union was all reagens doing. him and his "star wars" bankrupted the ussr, but they fail to realize that no one in the ussr was eating, but i guess u can give all the credit to reagen, because he is a master of influenceing and when he said "tear down this wall" everyone said "okay" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 ur right and i agree that we had to do some stuff to contain communism, and we did **** up badly in some cases, but the whole point is that today we are still intruding and the threat of communism is gone. yes communism still exists, but the threat is gone It is not the same threat today. Decisions made in 1953 by Eisenhower were based on the threat of communism spreading to Iran, and a key oil producing nation in the soviet block, not the future global war on terror 50 years later Of course lucky is going to argue that once this threat is gone, we will come up with another one to continue the ever expanding warfare state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Why go to insults? Frustration with intellectual dishonesty? Read the link and tell me if I should retract...I'll trust your judgement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Or maybe something didn't work. That something being Communism. Sure we helped quicken the fall, but don't we all agree that it was doomed from the start economically? You mean a planned economy is bound to fail. Shocked, I tell you. Sadly, SHF buys into the Reagan myth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Or maybe something didn't work. That something being Communism. Sure we helped quicken the fall, but don't we all agree that it was doomed from the start economically? I should argue that its Stalinism and totalitarianism whose fall we helped hasten, however it does still exist in China (politically) and Cuba As an economic system you are absolutley correct, however the Chineese, and Vietnameese are doing just fine under "communism" but with a capitlistic economy If you catch my drift there, we were not fighting the economic system of communism, but the totalitarianism of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckydevil Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Of course lucky is going to argue that once this threat is gone, we will come up with another one to continue the ever expanding warfare state Perpetual war for perpetual peace, brother. The sooner people learn about the threat of the military industrial complex, the better off we all will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Sadly, SHF buys into the Reagan myth. Sigh Its Friday at 11 pm, and right now I don't have time to pull up the 1000s of links and scholarly studies on Reagan's impact in hastening the fall of Soviet Communism and freeing the eastern block But lets keep thinking all of our foriegn policy moves since WW2 (and during WW2 with the dropping of the atom bomb) were with malevolent intentions, it makes it easier to paint America as the bad guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
headhunter39 Posted July 8, 2006 Author Share Posted July 8, 2006 We screwed up Nam by not going in to win or staying out all together,you don't wage war halfassed.Japan,Philipines,Germany,France,Poland ,Tiawan, S Korea ect,ect that was all ww2 reconstructing including s korea, which wasnt US intrusion it was us helping to fix what the others broke since then though we have fixed what most people didnt think was broken and we did it half assed...cuba, iran, afgahnistan, countries in africa, countries in south america Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 In regards to the next war China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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