If your not happy!, your dead! or you are a rival.

[manicd]

I am probably one of the few that is going to agree with Mass on this. Not all of what he says, but the gist of it.

Communism doesn't work. Sorry, but I think the salary cap blows big floppy donkey dick.

This dude is from Patriots country, and is not getting a stiffy over the bit Patriots dynasty. Dynasty my ass. They mastered the art of being SLIGHTLY better the mediocre. All 3 super bowls by 3 points. Two by a field goal kick?

A lot of people think it's amazing what the Patriots did. Wow, to do that in the salary cap. Bull ****. It's not interesting. I wished they opted to rid the salary cap, regardless of the ramifications of this year.

The whole idea of "it's not fair" is ****ing sad. We all know the Yankees have a ridiculous payroll, and it doesn't gaurentee success. It's all about who works the hardest (and yes, that means who will pay as owners, we still live in a capatist society).

The hardest workers win on all levels. Owners and franchises included.

I'm not hating here. But, I get where this dude is getting at. Don't want to be political, cause that's not what it's about. Mass could have just answered everything with - Socialism blows! But he didn't want to appear ignorant. He's probably a good guy. Angry, yes. But not a bad guy. Just misses the days of old. And I can relate.

[onedrop]

Every team's roster changes from year to year. I don't really see that this team went out and made really BIG acquisitions this offseason. None of these WR's are Art Monk or Jerry Rice. None of the defensive acquisitions are Reggie White or Ronnie Lott. They brought in middle of the road to above average players. The same sort of players that the Patriots have built their team around in the last decade.

we got the right personnel for the positions that required attention. it has already been proven that getting superstar Fa's doesnt work. and remember, people sais the same thing as you about Moss last year.

The only enthusiasm the Washington Redskins franchise has shown in the last fifteen years is for failing to get things done. I do not understand how anyone who claims to have a rooting interest in the Washington Redskins can have anything other than a lousy attitude at this point in time. The team has given us nothing to feel good about since I was a Senior in High School. Why the **** SHOULDN'T I be pissed off at them?

if you are going to be pissed at an inept team you should alsobe pleased with a team that shows promise and has a bit of success. otherwise you are simply enjoying being angry.

Alright, I shouldn't have used "at all costs". What I truly meant was by whatever means are necessary on the field. Including things like injuring opponents, cheating in other ways, etc.... Effectively doing absolutely anything on the field in order to dominate and destroy our opponents on a weekly basis. Does that make it a little more clear for you?

cheating and purposely injuring opponents? its a game not war. that type of behaviour has no place on the field.

let me get this straight, you want a team that likes to hire aging star players, is willing to cheat and puposely injur opponents to win. ive got it. youre really a raider fan right?

There is no help for me. There never has been. The mental health professionals indicated to my parents that I would never change until I felt a need to, and I still don't see a need to. I am a stubborn, pesimistic, negative SOB and I always will be. You are correct that neithre you nor anyone else are ever going to change my mind on anything. That's why I've given you (and everyone else) a pair of options for dealing with me on a permanent basis.

you must be very very lonely.

for all your talk of not having enough time to invest in a team such as the Redskins you cetainly have spent a lot of time and effort on this site. at least lately.

[hail2skins]

I remember a few of the posts made by Mass Skins Fan during the season and while they were far from positive, they (at least from my recollection) at least seemed rational. The posts in this thread, however, are downright worrisome.

MSF, you remind me of my colleague at work who, after we beat the Cowboys 35-7, was legitimately pissed that we only scored 7 in the second half.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

MSF, you remind me of my colleague at work who, after we beat the Cowboys 35-7, was legitimately pissed that we only scored 7 in the second half.

Sounds like you work with a bright person. That final score should have been something like 49-7. There's no legitimate reason that we didn't score more than 7 points in the second half.

[NewBlood81]

Sounds like you work with a bright person. That final score should have been something like 49-7. There's no legitimate reason that we didn't score more than 7 points in the second half.

Even though i dont agree with you.

I like your style

[Mass_SkinsFan]

we got the right personnel for the positions that required attention. it has already been proven that getting superstar FA's doesnt work. and remember, people said the same thing as you about Moss last year.

We're going to see if we got the right personnel or not starting in early September. There are a couple of players still on this roster that I cannot and will not root for, (Patten & Fauria) but I can hope that at least one of them gets cut before the beginning of the season. Getting the superstars doesn't work because of the salary cap, which is something I want to see done away with for exactly that reason.

if you are going to be pissed at an inept team you should also be pleased with a team that shows promise and has a bit of success. otherwise you are simply enjoying being angry.

I don't reward promise or potential with platitudes or joy. I reward success, which is something this team hasn't had since Jan/Feb of 1992.

cheating and purposely injuring opponents? its a game not war. that type of behaviour has no place on the field. let me get this straight, you want a team that likes to hire aging star players, is willing to cheat and puposely injur opponents to win. ive got it. youre really a raider fan right? .

Sorry, but any time there's a competitive endeavour, it's a WAR. Whether it's the Super Bowl or checkers with your 11 year old niece. The only reason to be involved in any competitive endeavour is to WIN.

Where did I use the word "aging" when I was discussing Star players?

I do have a fair amount of respect for Al Davis. If I'd grown up on the West Coast, I'd probably be a Raiders fan. They're definitely the only AFC team that I could ever root for. But to answer your question, NO I am not a Raiders fan.

you must be very very lonely.

No, I have a small group of very close friends and that's about it. I've never been a really social person anyway, so it's not a big deal.

for all your talk of not having enough time to invest in a team such as the Redskins you cetainly have spent a lot of time and effort on this site. at least lately.

I didn't say that I didn't have the time. I said that when it gets to a point where I don't feel I'm getting enough back from that time, I choose not to invest it.

[baralufficus]

I didn't say that I didn't have the time. I said that when it gets to a point where I don't feel I'm getting enough back from that time, I choose not to invest it.

So you must get alot in return on this site , right ??

I am almost convinced this guy is not a true Fan ....Or even a Fan at all ...

By his admission...Why would he even bother to be on this site , unless he gets off on the fact that he is getting this much attention posing as a Skins fan ....It makes no sence to me ......And if he is a Skins fan...I doubt he has any fellow Skins fans as actual friends ...

IMO, I think he is on here to get on people nerves ....Like a rival fan would do ....He must get alot out of getting on Skins fans nerves .....Otherwise , why even invest his time doing it ???

bara~

[#1AZRedskinfan]

If you happen to hear who'll they'll be with, would you pass along a PM to me real quick?

You got it.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

So you must get alot in return on this site , right ??

Actually, I get a fair amount of return on the time I invest in this site, at least so far as I am concerned.

I am almost convinced this guy is not a true Fan ....Or even a Fan at all ...

Believe what you want. I've already discussed the options for those of you who don't believe I'm a True Fan.

By his admission...Why would he even bother to be on this site , unless he gets off on the fact that he is getting this much attention posing as a Skins fan ....It makes no sense to me ......And if he is a Skins fan...I doubt he has any fellow Skins fans as actual friends ...

Why would I bother to be here? Largely because it's about the only repository where I can get Redskins information quickly and accurately, and be able to discuss it with a broad group of people.

I live in New England, how many Redskins fans do you actually think there are around here? I'll tell you... NOT MANY. I have few friends to begin with, and no, none of them are Redskins fans.

IMO, I think he is on here to get on people nerves ....Like a rival fan would do ....He must get alot out of getting on Skins fans nerves .....Otherwise , why even invest his time doing it ???

Actually the biggest reason I am here is as a place where I can blow off the anger and frustration that has built up over the last decade and a half in an at least partially positive manner. If a place like ES wasn't available as a way to siphon off some of those feelings, I'd probably have sent an IED to Redskins Park by now. Does that explain it a little better?

[trimee]

Somebody call Gibbs and cancel the season, its over.

roflmao :notworthy

[JoeSkins]

Much like Tony Soprano's mother, this thread just won't die. It has just become a wannabe existentialist soundboard, and is no longer about football or the thread title.

[trimee]

Which is why I don't waste my time when the team is losing. It's why I turn games off early when the Redskins are losing. I'm not going to spend my time watching a losing effort. I'd rather be realistic to pesimistic about things. I don't get disappointed too often that way.

Why then, are you wasting your time on a Redskins message board?

[trimee]

No. Not really. I shoot in a competitive pistol league, but I use it more as a training routine than a competition. I shoot the courses of fire using proper defensive tactics, not the quicker, less defense oriented techniques that the competitors use. Which is why I generally come in very close to the bottom of every match. I am also involved in a medieval combat reenactment group, but I don't fight in the tournaments. I do engage in the melees(battles) and fight with a unit that is probably the most elite group in the society.

I guess the Skins could use that same mentality for the last decade. (Example) We used the fun and gun, with no offensive line, which is why we generally ended up near the bottom of the league every year. C'mon man, just using your OWN words, no matter the excuse, why go to the shooting range when you just ended up NOT WINNING THE WHOLE THING!?! Same mentality- But don't worry, just like the Skins, if you keep trying and you and your family have faith in yourself (like those of us on this board that are part of the Redskins family), others will too, and you CAN win! :2cents:

[trimee]

Realizing that I couldn't care any less what you or anyone else think of me or my beliefs... I'll take that as a compliment.

Dude, if you didn't care, you wouldn't even take the time to explain yourself.

[trimee]

Sorry, with me the glass is either FULL or empty. There is no inbetween.

I havent even gotten thru 1/2 the pages on this topic and HAD to respond to you like 3 or 4 times now. But with this comment, I see that you are just loser loving all this attention. I guess in your bizzarro world red is green and water is dry? Does it rain in your world? what happens at noon? I mean if there is no half fulll cup, then there must not be any half days at work, or better yet, in your world, the Redskins have never put together a half azzed effort, either huh? I guess you have to either totally ignore this post or rebutal every single point I have made, because, remember, the is no in between. :doh: :laugh:

[SkinsFaninNY]

Why are we even discussing this season. The Giant fans I work with have already won the Superbowl, with the great Eli "Choke" Manning winning the MVP. I cannot wait to see him get his face stuffed in the Fed Ex Turf....

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I guess the Skins could use that same mentality for the last decade. (Example) We used the fun and gun, with no offensive line, which is why we generally ended up near the bottom of the league every year. C'mon man, just using your OWN words, no matter the excuse, why go to the shooting range when you just ended up NOT WINNING THE WHOLE THING!?! Same mentality- But don't worry, just like the Skins, if you keep trying and you and your family have faith in yourself (like those of us on this board that are part of the Redskins family), others will too, and you CAN win! :2cents:

There's a big difference that you're missing trimee...

I don't see the shooting I do as a competition. That's not why I go to the matches. I do it as a training tool for self-defense. There are certain techniques that you have to use to WIN the sort of matches I go to. For the most part they are totally unsound from a defensive shooting standpoint. They're the sort of things that get a person killed in a real gunfight. So I don't use them.

If I wanted to, I could be very competitive in the division and classification, if I wanted to. The Classifier match results (how we determine shooter levels) bear that out very well. I just don't want to play "The Game". It doesn't appeal to me.

[TK]

I see Mass has re-introduced himself to the Stadium crowd.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I see Mass has re-introduced himself to the Stadium crowd.

Sorry TK, but I saw the thread title and knew that I'm not happy, not dead, and not a fan of a rival team so I had to add my comments on the topic. Maybe I need to spend a little more time in the Stadium so people learn that trying to change my mind is like running their head into a steel plate... It hurts and no matter how many times you try it, the steel plate doesn't budge.

[misterfan]

Do you REALLY want to know? Are you sure? If so, continue reading. If not, I suggest putting me on your ignore list............

Individual records are WORTHLESS. The fact that several Redskins players set team records for their individual play last season means NOTHING. It's not last year anymore. Those players are a year older. The league has another offseason worth of preparation and planning on how to stop them. Oh, and exactly how many additional wins did we get awarded by the NFL for those records.... NONE.

We backed into the playoffs, having to win all five of our final games to even get into the REAL NFL season. Yes, we had injuries and problems. So what? Every team does. The fact that we overcame them doesn't make the Redskins any different than most of the other eleven teams that were in the NFL playoffs last year. Only our defense showed up in the playoffs. Our offense took both playoff games off. Nobody is going to win more than one game in the REAL NFL Season with the absolute lack of offense that we showed in the playoffs last year.

You wax poetic about out improved offense, defense and coaching staff and how much better we are with these additions. Which manner of divination have you been using to predict this? Tarot Cards? Palmistry? Chicken entrails? Exactly how many wins have we already been awarded by the NFL League Offices for these additions? The new players/coaches haven't proven that they're any better than the previous roster and coaching staff yet. They won't be able to until at least the beginning of September.

How can I doubt? Why would I doubt?... How about because it's the reality of what this team has been for the last decade and a half? How about because there is no recent history of this franchise achieving success on the field of play? How about because I see this team being built in a way that I'm not sure I agree with? How about because we are constantly changing everything from the coaches to the players to the system they're using; which is never a good recipe for Greatness and Success?

This team has done nothing in the last fifteen years to make me believe that the 2006-2007 season is going to be different than every other season since 1991-1992. I used to get excited every year, hoping that year we would be Great again. Not anymore. Too many losing seasons in a row have sucked all hope and happiness out of me. THAT'S why I am not happy. THAT'S why I doubt. I've seen the light at the end of the tunnel and all too often it's an oncoming train.

Your glass isn't half empty, it has a hole in the bottom of it and is totally dry.

[JoeSkins]

Sorry TK, but I saw the thread title and knew that I'm not happy, not dead, and not a fan of a rival team so I had to add my comments on the topic. Maybe I need to spend a little more time in the Stadium so people learn that trying to change my mind is like running their head into a steel plate... It hurts and no matter how many times you try it, the steel plate doesn't budge.

Being closed-minded and stubborn is not something to be proud of. I'm not calling you that since I don't know you, you just said it yourself.

[Isifhan]

trying to change my mind is like running their head into a steel plate... It hurts and no matter how many times you try it, the steel plate doesn't budge.

You give yourself way too much credit...I don't think anyone cares enough about your viewpoints to try and get them to change but rather they are simply pointing out the hilariously flawed logic that they stem from.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Being closed-minded and stubborn is not something to be proud of. I'm not calling you that since I don't know you, you just said it yourself.

I look at close-minded and stubborn as compliments, thank you very much. I admit that they are traits I exhibit and that's something I am very proud of.

[illone]

I have few friends to begin with, and no, none of them are Redskins fans.

I'm sorry to hear that. For me, joining in Redskins cheers with fellow friends is part of the fun. Watching the game alone is cool, too, but I get more frustrated and usually have a ton more fun when there are more Skins fans around.

Maybe you just haven't had a good experience with other people watching the game.

[#1AZRedskinfan]

I'm sorry to hear that. For me, joining in Redskins cheers with fellow friends is part of the fun. Watching the game alone is cool, too, but I get more frustrated and usually have a ton more fun when there are more Skins fans around.

This is so true, and a great point.