If your not happy!, your dead! or you are a rival.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I guess you could see the glass being half full? If you want?

Sorry, with me the glass is either FULL or empty. There is no inbetween.

I guess it depends on how it is done, and with this coaching staff, I see Greatness and Success.

I think our definitions of Greatness and Success may be different, but I think we've been through that before.

I can't change the way you think, but cheerup bro:D ,2006 season is coming soon.

Let's just hope there's something to cheer about in 2006.

[TheDirtbags]

Obviously we have a disagreement of opinion.

In my mind the 10-4 team has put themselves in position to make the playoffs and the fact that they lose their last two regular season games, while not good, isn't as big of a deal so long as they make the playoffs. They came out of the gate and put themselves in a position to control their own destiny by winning games early in the season. In most seasons a 10-4 team is pretty much ensured a playoff spot, even if they lose their last two games.

Whereas the 5-6 team has put itself in a position to miss the playoffs. They obviously aren't that good of a team to begin with and the fact that they go 5-0 to end the season and make the playoffs says a lot about the lack of talent in the league and conference they play in.

At least that's my view of the topic.

however, we just happen to play in the consensus best confrence

[onedrop]

Let's see if we got what we missed before touting this. So far as I'm concerned we've got Santana Moss and the world's largest collection of what I see as #3/#4 talent level WR's. We've paid a huge amount of money for them too. I want to see some results before I'm going to start heaping praise on Saunders, ARL, et al.

sorry, your spin stops here. were arent talking about IF the players we picked up actually perform. you were talking about the Skins building with a "dont lose" mentallity. i said if thats the case why get new weapons. that is the question at hand NOT if they perform. nice try though.

Then I must not know what I'm talking about because I'm not a fan of any team other than the Redskins. Believe me, I don't have the time, energy or creativity to be a fan of some other team posing as a Redskins fan. I'd be able to hold that charade up for about 30 seconds before it fell apart like a house of cards. If you really feel that way, I might make two suggestions...

you are not a fan. of the Skins at least. you may talk about the team but you arent a fan. so that we are clear -

1 : an enthusiastic devotee (as of a sport or a performing art) usually as a spectator

2 : an ardent admirer or enthusiast (as of a celebrity or a pursuit) <science-fiction fans>

you have proven yourself to be neither of these. the only enthusiasm you have shown is for complaining about the team, moves, coaches, a winning season...etc..

a. Put me on ignore.

b. Talk to the moderators. I have on several occassions indicated that if asked to leave by the moderators, that I would without complaint. Especially if I was asked because they did not believe I actually am a Redskins fan.

grow up.

Close but no cigar. The first part was spot on. You did make a mistake in the second part. The second part is actually part of the first comment. What I was refering to in the statements about not agreeing with the way the team was being built had to do with building a team to "Not Lose" like the Patriots and Ravens did. That's part of not dominating so far as I am concerned. I hope that clears things up. Here's a good revision to your comment that may help....

"I don't just want to win, I want to dominate and destroy the opponent at all cost. I want to do it by building a team so much better than every other team out there that there is no chance to lose."

no my comment was dead on and you just proved it. you want to win and dominate at all costs? well sorry but if thats the case you have no say in the team, coaches, decisions or how the team is built. no matter how you spin it "at-all-costs" means just that. you dont get to say it and then add in a caveat.

If that's the way you see things, fine. That's not what I've said but I'm not going to change your mind on that, so I won't waste my time. If you really don't believe I'm a Redskins fan, I suggest talking to the moderators. They've been told that if they come to me and ask me to leave, I will. Especially if they tell me they don't believe I'm really a Redskins fan.

i dont want you to leave buddy. obviously you do enough running away already. at least mentally. i want to help you, but you are so stuck in this quagmire of pessimism, negativity and BS that you take no one elses thoughts, perspective, views or opinions into consideration.

you are the classical "dont confuse me with the fact because ive already got my mind made up" guy.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Do you do your job perfectly every day? If not, then why even go to work?

I come pretty close. Work is not a competitive endeavour though.

Do you appreciate when people below you do a great job and make your life easier? If so do you tell them they did a great job or do you shake their hand and tell them they should have done that anyways?

There really are not that many people below me in the job I do. At least not ones that I supervise or whose work directly affects what I do on a daily basis. So it's not really something I have to deal with.

When you shoot your pistol, why do you train? Are you trying to get better or is it not training at all, just for fun?

Why do I train? For one simple reason... To ensure that if that horrible, terrible moment none of us ever want to happen; when I have to use it for exactly what it was manufactured for ever happens, that I will be the person calling the police to report a shooting. I train because we all know that you fight the way you train. In that deadliest of moments there is no time to try and remember how to reload or what a proper sight picture looks like. It has to be instinctive or you will die. THAT'S why I train.

[tuna_h8r]

the only things i worry about for the upcoming season are injuries and how long it will take for the offense to gel.

injuries are everyone's enemy, i'm sure somebody will get the bug this year in the NFCE, just like the eagles did last season. whoever gets it will have a really disappointing season. as usual, i hope its the cowboys

as for the offense, i have every faith that they'll do whatever is needed between now and the last preseason game to work out the kinks and improve over last season (which was an improvement over the prior year, but far from spectacular). mainly i worry about brunell gelling with the WRs and what changes there may be in the blocking schemes. hopefully they can resolve that stuff before the scores matter in september.

[Isifhan]

Individual records are WORTHLESS. The fact that several Redskins players set team records for their individual play last season means NOTHING. It's not last year anymore. Those players are a year older. The league has another offseason worth of preparation and planning on how to stop them. Oh, and exactly how many additional wins did we get awarded by the NFL for those records.... NONE. [/Quote]

Well, since you pretty much contradict your whole shtick in this paragraph I stopped reading right around here.

Your contention is that you would rather have big name players and loose rather than win the whole thing ala the patriots.

Yet, when we specifically meet your ridiculous criteria by having at least two "stars" who put up "dominating" numbers you say it doesn't matter.

Yeah...your logic is a little fuzzy at best. Have fun being unhappy though :applause:

[#1AZRedskinfan]

Let's just hope there's something to cheer about in 2006.

Can I get a whoo ha two times tuesday?

[Mr. Grundle]

I come pretty close. Work is not a competitive endeavour though.

There really are not that many people below me in the job I do. At least not ones that I supervise or whose work directly affects what I do on a daily basis. So it's not really something I have to deal with.

Why do I train? For one simple reason... To ensure that if that horrible, terrible moment none of us ever want to happen; when I have to use it for exactly what it was manufactured for ever happens, that I will be the person calling the police to report a shooting. I train because we all know that you fight the way you train. In that deadliest of moments there is no time to try and remember how to reload or what a proper sight picture looks like. It has to be instinctive or you will die. THAT'S why I train.

Wow, I need to put you on ignore just because your posts depress me. I feel bad for you since you obviously have no joy in life at all. How sad to imagine someone walking around all day with that mentality. Good luck.

[#1AZRedskinfan]

Mass, I two am involved with the SCA, Kingdom of Atdenveldt. I may be going to the Potrero War this year.

:ot: Yeah, yeah I know.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

sorry, your spin stops here. were arent talking about IF the players we picked up actually perform. you were talking about the Skins building with a "dont lose" mentallity. i said if thats the case why get new weapons. that is the question at hand NOT if they perform. nice try though.

Every team's roster changes from year to year. I don't really see that this team went out and made really BIG acquisitions this offseason. None of these WR's are Art Monk or Jerry Rice. None of the defensive acquisitions are Reggie White or Ronnie Lott. They brought in middle of the road to above average players. The same sort of players that the Patriots have built their team around in the last decade.

you are not a fan. of the Skins at least. you may talk about the team but you arent a fan. so that we are clear -

you have proven yourself to be neither of these. the only enthusiasm you have shown is for complaining about the team, moves, coaches, a winning season...etc..

The only enthusiasm the Washington Redskins franchise has shown in the last fifteen years is for failing to get things done. I do not understand how anyone who claims to have a rooting interest in the Washington Redskins can have anything other than a lousy attitude at this point in time. The team has given us nothing to feel good about since I was a Senior in High School. Why the **** SHOULDN'T I be pissed off at them?

no my comment was dead on and you just proved it. you want to win and dominate at all costs? well sorry but if thats the case you have no say in the team, coaches, decisions or how the team is built. no matter how you spin it "at-all-costs" means just that. you dont get to say it and then add in a caveat.

Alright, I shouldn't have used "at all costs". What I truly meant was by whatever means are necessary on the field. Including things like injuring opponents, cheating in other ways, etc.... Effectively doing absolutely anything on the field in order to dominate and destroy our opponents on a weekly basis. Does that make it a little more clear for you?

i dont want you to leave buddy. obviously you do enough running away already. at least mentally. i want to help you, but you are so stuck in this quagmire of pessimism, negativity and BS that you take no one elses thoughts, perspective, views or opinions into consideration.

you are the classical "dont confuse me with the fact because ive already got my mind made up" guy.

There is no help for me. There never has been. The mental health professionals indicated to my parents that I would never change until I felt a need to, and I still don't see a need to. I am a stubborn, pesimistic, negative SOB and I always will be. You are correct that neithre you nor anyone else are ever going to change my mind on anything. That's why I've given you (and everyone else) a pair of options for dealing with me on a permanent basis.

[illone]

I come pretty close. Work is not a competitive endeavour though.

It is for some. Also, though, for some NFL is thier job. They get paid to practice, train, show up for mini-camp, sign autographs at the shopping mall and go out on the field and do their best regardless of the outcome. Sure, they get paid to win the same way you get paid to do what you do, but like you said you don't do a perfect job every time. Football is a game, and a business. Slightly different than what we as normal civilians do, but they still have responsibilities and a unknown outcome. If your company already knew the outcome then they wouldn't need you, now would they....

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Well, since you pretty much contradict your whole shtick in this paragraph I stopped reading right around here.

Your contention is that you would rather have big name players and loose rather than win the whole thing ala the patriots.

Yet, when we specifically meet your ridiculous criteria by having at least two "stars" who put up "dominating" numbers you say it doesn't matter.

Yeah...your logic is a little fuzzy at best. Have fun being unhappy though :applause:

I have no problem with being unhappy. It's the state my life has been in for nearly thirty-two years. After a while you just get used to it.

Let me see if I can clarify this "Star" thing for you.... I'm not talking about a team with two or three stars. I'm talking about a roster FULL of name players and stars. I'm not looking for "Stars" so that they can set team or league records. I'm looking for "Stars" because they're generally so superior talent-wise to the opposition that they make building that Dominant team I always talk about a lot easier. Does that clear it up a little for you?

[Mass_SkinsFan]

It is for some. Also, though, for some NFL is thier job. They get paid to practice, train, show up for mini-camp, sign autographs at the shopping mall and go out on the field and do their best regardless of the outcome. Sure, they get paid to win the same way you get paid to do what you do, but like you said you don't do a perfect job every time. Football is a game, and a business. Slightly different than what we as normal civilians do, but they still have responsibilities and a unknown outcome. If your company already knew the outcome then they wouldn't need you, now would they....

Work isn't a competition for very many people. Professional athletes and gamesman are about the only ones for whom it is, actually. Of course, that brings me to my insane theory about how athletes should be paid, but I'll save you all that rambling diatribe.

Actually, the company I work for is a monopoly. If you want electrical power in Worcester, Massachusetts you don't have any option other than the company I work for. So, in effect they do pretty much know the outcome before I show up.

[NewBlood81]

Mass your being so freaking negative.

You have to understand something. Football is a entertainment. A business.

The Redskins dont have to win every superbowl, but i still call myself a fan.

With your mindset you shouldnt watch football at all.

[NewBlood81]

Which is it? You really have to ask? The ONLY reason to play the NFL season each year is to win the Super Bowl. Thirty-One teams waste a year of their lives every year.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that I believe we have the horses to win a Super Bowl. That's my expectation every year. This year. Last year. 1997. Every year.

hahahah they waste their lives playing football? this statement is so wrong. in matter of fact they are acheiving stuff that many cant. they earning millions for playing a fantastic sports.

if this is wasting your life i dont know what you think being successful in life is.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Mass your being so freaking negative.

You have to understand something. Football is a entertainment. A business.

The Redskins dont have to win every superbowl, but i still call myself a fan.

With your mindset you shouldnt watch football at all.

NewBlood, welcome to ES. It's nice to see new faces around here.

My negativity is who I am. It is my permanent, all-consuming attitude. No matter what the topic is. When you've read a bunch of my postings you'll lear that. Additionally, I have never seen sports as entertainment. They're as deadly serious as a heart attack so far as I am concerned.

I will agree with you that watching football (and sports in general) is very difficult for me a vast majority of the time. As I've told this board before, if it wasn't for the Redskins I wouldn't have had a winning sports interest until I was in high school on any level. The reason I'm still watching is probably mostly a matter of my stubbornness and that very small spark or hope somewhere deep in the rotten core of my body that wants to believe the Redskins might be great again some day.

[DjTj]

:laugh: The title of this thread needs to be changed to:

"If you're not happy, you're dead, you're a rival, or you're Mass_SkinsFan."

[NewBlood81]

NewBlood, welcome to ES. It's nice to see new faces around here.

My negativity is who I am. It is my permanent, all-consuming attitude. No matter what the topic is. When you've read a bunch of my postings you'll lear that. Additionally, I have never seen sports as entertainment. They're as deadly serious as a heart attack so far as I am concerned.

I will agree with you that watching football (and sports in general) is very difficult for me a vast majority of the time. As I've told this board before, if it wasn't for the Redskins I wouldn't have had a winning sports interest until I was in high school on any level. The reason I'm still watching is probably mostly a matter of my stubbornness and that very small spark or hope somewhere deep in the rotten core of my body that wants to believe the Redskins might be great again some day.

I respect that.... sort of.

But dont come in dragging us through the mud with you.

I want the Redskins to be a dominent team to. But with your expectation for the Redskins being able to win superbowls after superbowl.... well isnt realistic and it would suck.

If you want the league to be filled with 31 49ers and the Redskins just dominate them then it woulndt be a competiton any more.

Therefore it wouldnt be fun.

Having rivals like Dallas is what made me watch this sport in the first place.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I respect that.... sort of.

But dont come in dragging us through the mud with you.

I want the Redskins to be a dominent team to. But with your expectation for the Redskins being able to win superbowls after superbowl.... well isnt realistic and it would suck.

If you want the league to be filled with 31 49ers and the Redskins just dominate them then it woulndt be a competiton any more.

Therefore it wouldnt be fun.

Having rivals like Dallas is what made me watch this sport in the first place.

NewBlood, I want to commend you on your ability to actually have a rational conversation. Your level of conversation is much higher than most of your peers that I run into on a regular basis.

Unfortunately, this thread was set up to be a disaster from the start. Just read the title and you can see that, I'm sure. It's almost a challenge to those of us who don't drink the Kool-Aid and/or chant In Gibbs We Trust in our sleep. I've probably taken it well beyond the original intent, but it started out in a bad place to begin with.

Are my expectations realistic... NO. They're still my expectations, though. I'm not a big fan of competition and never have been. I'm much more enamoured with WINNING. Your 31 49ers teams and the Redskins sounds like a wonderful idea to me.

[Live4Skins]

Why am I still a fan... because I hold out a small amount of hope that maybe the NFL, its owners and players will realize how awful the league is and work to have it returned to a reality based system instead of the Socialist Football League that we currently have. I've also had a scant amount of hope that the Redskins would be able to find a way to build a GREAT team in this era of mediocrity and parity.

You are correct that I'd like to be able to be the red hot ember you talk about. It's going to take a whole lot more than a little bit of temporary lighter fluid to light a piece of wet, green wood like me though.

You sir will be lit on fire after this season! No promises just faith that was lost and now is in full stride! Hope that green wood is being dryed, cause you are the first peice I'm lighting up

Cheers

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Mass, I two am involved with the SCA, Kingdom of Atdenveldt. I may be going to the Potrero War this year.

:ot: Yeah, yeah I know.

Well met Mi'Lord

Do you know who Atdenveldt is fighting with this year at Pennsic? Are you going to be in attendance? If so we need to get together and have a drink.

[#1AZRedskinfan]

Well met Mi'Lord

Do you know who Atdenveldt is fighting with this year at Pennsic? Are you going to be in attendance? If so we need to get together and have a drink.

Not really sure who they will fight with this year. I have yet to make a pennsic in my 15 years in the society. One year I hope to make it, and when I do, a drink sounds good. Right now it's hard enough for me to make Estrella, let alone practice.

If you ever make it to Estrella, we will do the same.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Not really sure who they will fight with this year. I have yet to make a pennsic in my 15 years in the society. One year I hope to make it, and when I do, a drink sounds good. Right now it's hard enough for me to make Estrella, let alone practice.

If you ever make it to Estrella, we will do the same.

If you happen to hear who'll they'll be with, would you pass along a PM to me real quick?

Pennsic is really a GREAT event. I went for the first time last year and I don't plan on missing another one in the near future. It has become "home". I just spend 51 weeks of the year in exile now. If you ever get the opportunity to make it, don't pass it up. Believe me.

I know a few Easterners make it out to Estrella every year. Unfortunately, being in February it has conflicted with a shooting match I help run every year. Since I'm probably not helping with the match this year, I might be able to make the trek. I've gotta believe Arizona has better weather than Mass. in February.

[baralufficus]

IMO, I think people like Mass is the reason why Fed Ex Field is not as rockin as it used to be back in the RFK days .....

As for backin into the playoffs .....

I rather like the way we ended the season ...ESP the final 3 games ....Beating our division rivals ...wait..Actually, we dominated them, maybe except for the Eagles ....Either way , that made me a very proud fan ...

One other thing ....I guess by your post that you turned off the week 2 game last season between Dallas and the Skins before the explosive final 5 minutes ?????

Sucks for you ....Although I am sure that a fan like you , it didn't bother you at all ...

[Mass_SkinsFan]

IMO, I think people like Mass is the reason why Fed Ex Field is not as rockin as it used to be back in the RFK days...

Ok. So people who are tired of losing, who have had enough of getting our hopes up only to have the team kick us in the balls, and who no longer believe that things are going to go well for us are the reason Fed Ex isn't as rockin as RFK used to be? That actually sounds like a pretty reasonable concept to me. If/When the team gives those fans something to yell and scream about, I'm sure they'll get into it. Until then, I don't blame them.

One other thing ....I guess by your post that you turned off the week 2 game last season between Dallas and the Skins before the explosive final 5 minutes ?????

Sucks for you ....Although I am sure that a fan like you , it didn't bother you at all ...

Actually, by a quirk of fate, I DID see the end of that game. I was working on a project that evening and happened to have left the game on in the background to help me stay awake, since there was nothing better on that evening. If I hadn't had the project to do, yes I would have missed the end of it. At least until Sports Center on Tuesday night, and no it wouldn't have bothered me very much at all.