Tom Sullivan Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I just love this post that you made. There are some new threads that just go over things that have been discussed before but this is really an example of solid contribution and I just love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmandm Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Good post but Randle El doesn't have game breaking speed. He is very elusive or better yet electric in open space but he's not a burner like Moss. True, he doesn't. But when Moss and Lloyd line up with ARE these CBs will be on islands and there is only so many safties they can have to cover deep. ARE will do his job to open up the offense and allow CP to have 6 men in the box and another 1500 yd season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I'm still surprised at how some question Joe Gibus Maximus and the Front office addressing our weakness from the past season on offense. Our new coordinator with his new toys will attack on offense as GW does on defense so you wont see us going into a prevent offense in the 3rd quarter with a one TD lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peregrine Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Its such a good problem to have... Lloyd or ARE as our #2? MAN THIS SUCKS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Upside #1: Special teams. Randle El has game-breaking speed, and unlike Moss, no significant history of injury. He immediately gives us a consistent threat on punt returns and kick returns (if we want). Upside #2: Trick plays. Randle El's skills as a college QB-turned NFL slash player are well-documented (he finished 6th in Heisman voting). You saw how Gibbs used Portis (who throws one uggggly trick pass, as we all know); imagine those plays with a guy who can actually throw a rope. Upside #3: Young but solid. Randle El is 26, healthy, hasn't missed a single game, and is about to enter the prime of his career. Joe Gibbs never wants to be in a position where one injury would destroy his offense, as an injury to Moss would have last year. Randle El and Lloyd together ensure that the Redskins go three deep for starting caliber WRs... no more Jimmy Farris signings, folks. Upside #4: Performance under pressure. Gibbs likes to get guys who've played on the biggest stages and withstood the pressure (see him getting Patten, Brunell, talking to Fauria, etc.). Even for such a young player, Randle El has played in EIGHT playoff games in his brief career, including the Super Bowl victory. In those games - again, working within the WR-unfriendly Pittsburgh system - he has the following stats: (3 rushes for 19 yards; 25 catches for 315 yards and 1 TD; one pass for 43 yards and 1 TD). Clutch, people. Upside #5: The X factor. In Santana Moss, we found a player who broke out of his shell - he'd been an average or decent WR in New York, but he elevated to a completely new level in D.C. In Randle El, Gibbs clearly believes he's found another such player - someone who can shine if they're called on to do more than they did with their original team. Good post. I think upside 1 is the main reason why Gibbs wanted him, followed by upsides 3 and 4. El gives Gibbs a reliable returner that also makes big plays on returns. El also gives the team a lot more flexibility to run 3 and 4 WR sets, and some nice depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Its such a good problem to have... Lloyd or ARE as our #2? MAN THIS SUCKS! I think the plan at this point is for Lloyd to be the other WR with Moss in 2 WR sets. El will be the returner primarily, but will be used a lot in 3 and 4 wr sets, and in special situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 I remember that game too. The best game of Kelley Holocomb's career! I thought the Browns should have won that game. The officials in Pittsburg called 2 or 3 bogus penalties in the hometeam's favor during the last couple possessions. Yeah, that's true... but Holcomb has had a couple of games like that, where he throws for incredible yardage, but still ends up losing. Remember that 48-58 game against the Bengals? Ridiculous. And it turned out he had a broken rib. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241128004 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceman330 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I like upside #5. x factor = getting something out of a guy that was unseen by most. x factot also = making that play that breaks the game open. Like Moss turining a 1 yard screen catch into a 8000000 yard td. :laugh: El has that too, once he gets the ball in his hands, with room, he can break one....at anytime. We just need to start feeding GW, since we've fed the offense pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#1SkinsFan Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 the Steelers WR stats were down so much this season, because their Defense wasn't as good the season before, just like their running game was not as good. How were their WR numbers down b/c their defense wasnt as good as the season before. Dont you mean offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s0crates Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Yeah, that's true... but Holcomb has had a couple of games like that, where he throws for incredible yardage, but still ends up losing. Remember that 48-58 game against the Bengals? Ridiculous. And it turned out he had a broken rib.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/recap?gameId=241128004 Oh yeah, I remember it. My Dad's a big Brownies fan, so I root for them a bit. Wasn't that the highest scoring game in league history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD Posted March 13, 2006 Author Share Posted March 13, 2006 Oh yeah, I remember it. My Dad's a big Brownies fan, so I root for them a bit. Wasn't that the highest scoring game in league history? Second highest - read the link, highest was a Redskins thrashing of the Giants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkabong82 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Lloyd and El, and maybe Patten, all battling in training camp and preseason for the #2 spot is going to be great. RE I still believe will be #3, since he has already said he will be the returner. Brunell, though he is great, is going to have to battle Campbell. When you're w/ Gibbs it doesn't matter if you are a star, the starting position goes to the player who performs the best. I can't wait for the new season to start. We're just building and building off of the greatness we established this past season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVGRWUP Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Following on Om's lead, here: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=148046First off: For several years, the NFL team I've watched second only to the Redskins is the Pittsburgh Steelers. I've been to five games over the past three years at Heinz Field, including the amazing playoff game against the Jets last year. One of my best friends is a Pittsburgh fan; I have relatives in Pittsburgh; and while my folks are Redskins fans, I'm young enough that I have little memory of Joe Gibbs' first tenure here... so during the dark years of Norv and Frerotte, I'd always end up cheering for Pittsburgh when the playoffs came near. I love the old-fashioned system they run; I love their tough defense and their hard-core blue-collar fanbase; and I love watching the crazy games they seem to end up in - not just this year against the Colts, or when they ended the runs of the Eagles and Pats; remember that incredible one against the Browns four years back? I know this team almost as well as I know the Redskins - the coaching personnel, the FO, the players (my sister was one of Heath Miller's friends at UVA; another friend shows up in Big Ben's blog all the time). So given that, here's my attitude toward the Randle El signing: it's all about upside. Throw out Randle El's stats. They aren't impressive. It's easy to see why; for two years of Tommy Maddox, Charlie Batch, and Big Ben, the Steelers have used a system that practically steals TDs from WRs. They love big plays to get in the redzone, then pounding it in for the TD. They simply don't throw often enough to give us an accurate representation of Randle El's skills. The Steelers didn't have a single guy break 1,000 yards this year; there's a reason for that. So why did we pay Randle El #1 money to be a #2 receiver? It's not just because he was the best guy on the market: it's because of upside. Upside #1: Special teams. Randle El has game-breaking speed, and unlike Moss, no significant history of injury. He immediately gives us a consistent threat on punt returns and kick returns (if we want). Upside #2: Trick plays. Randle El's skills as a college QB-turned NFL slash player are well-documented (he finished 6th in Heisman voting). You saw how Gibbs used Portis (who throws one uggggly trick pass, as we all know); imagine those plays with a guy who can actually throw a rope. Upside #3: Young but solid. Randle El is 26, healthy, hasn't missed a single game, and is about to enter the prime of his career. Joe Gibbs never wants to be in a position where one injury would destroy his offense, as an injury to Moss would have last year. Randle El and Lloyd together ensure that the Redskins go three deep for starting caliber WRs... no more Jimmy Farris signings, folks. Upside #4: Performance under pressure. Gibbs likes to get guys who've played on the biggest stages and withstood the pressure (see him getting Patten, Brunell, talking to Fauria, etc.). Even for such a young player, Randle El has played in EIGHT playoff games in his brief career, including the Super Bowl victory. In those games - again, working within the WR-unfriendly Pittsburgh system - he has the following stats: (3 rushes for 19 yards; 25 catches for 315 yards and 1 TD; one pass for 43 yards and 1 TD). Clutch, people. Upside #5: The X factor. In Santana Moss, we found a player who broke out of his shell - he'd been an average or decent WR in New York, but he elevated to a completely new level in D.C. In Randle El, Gibbs clearly believes he's found another such player - someone who can shine if they're called on to do more than they did with their original team. If you believe Joe's right, you like this signing. If you believe he's wrong - well, wait and see. BD RIGHT ON! :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
National Defense Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I am not sure why you all are worrying about who is the #2 and who will be the #3. Remember the posse? When we had monk, clark and sanders, Gibbs rotated them frequently, depending on matchup/situation. monk clakr & sanders each had different ways they could kill you, and the way we attacked opposing D's through the air varied each week--tough for fantasy footballers but great for crafting a less predicatable O. I do like this move, and like how the O is shaping up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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