How soon will this thread be closed?

[dfitzo53]

Let's see, socialism is just euphemism for communism but I'll humor you. Socialists vs. democrats

Anti-religion - check

Anti-guns - check (can't have the masses rising up against the man).

Abortions on demand - check

Taxation up the yin yang - check (Commie mantra, what's yours is mine.)

Socialized healthcare - check

Anti-war at all costs - check

Anti-Israel at all costs - check

Pro-unions - check

These are just off the top of my head. Am I missing anything with my "backwards" definition?

Chopper, come on, dude, don't fight it. You're a closet commie. Just scream out, "VIVA CHE!!" You'll feel better.

I'm hoping this is a joke, because otherwise it's a poor followup to Om's post. Not to mention that the post is just plain incorrect if it's serious.

[hokie4redskins]

Depends on how you look at it, I suppose. Many liken republicans to Nazis and quite often I might add.

Was my post a generalization? Sure. Would it define many left leaners including a bunch on this board? Absolutely.

Not exactly sure how I contradicted Om's post as I wasn't disrespectful in any way. I was simply pointing out the eery similarities between American democrats and Marxist lemmings.

You disagree? Counter it. Try refuting it without saying, "Well, hmph, I personally believe in this and that, so you're wrong." I'm talking about listening to what the DNC chair spews on a daily basis along with countless angry liberals just like him. How is that so different from communist/socialist rhetoric and stances? Simple question. Not so simple answer.

Try telling me how the countless pro-choice, anti-religion, anti-gun, anti-war pro-universal healthcare people I run across who nearly cream their pants every time a bus blows up in Jerusalem while sportin' the "Proud Democrat" bumper sticker on their ride don't have communist tendencies. Am I stereotyping? You'd be surprised.

[Destino]

hokie4redskins made this thread great. lol

[Chopper Dave]

Depends on how you look at it, I suppose. Many liken republicans to Nazis and quite often I might add.

Was my post a generalization? Sure. Would it define many left leaners including a bunch on this board? Absolutely.

Not exactly sure how I contradicted Om's post as I wasn't disrespectful in any way. I was simply pointing out the eery similarities between American democrats and Marxist lemmings.

You disagree? Counter it. Try refuting it without saying, "Well, hmph, I personally believe in this and that, so you're wrong." I'm talking about listening to what the DNC chair spews on a daily basis along with countless dems just like him. How is that so different from communist/socialist rhetoric?

While those viewpoints might fit some liberals on this board, your logic is flawed in that first of all, only two of those things are socialist concepts, and second of all, socialism isn't communism.

So, according to your own words, there are only two similarities between Democrats and people who share some common views with Marxists.

OK, I think I can live with that.

Additionally, I think it needs to be said that even if your baseless accusations were true, it wouldn't matter, because even diehard Communists have a right to post, so long as they do it within the rules of the board.

[Destino]

You know it really is amazing that there is a political debate in this thread. I read the title and thought "oh an there must be hot chics in that thread" but I was wrong...and it made me sad. But then suddenly out of no where absurdity in the form of a wildly misplaced political cheap shot showed up and made me laugh.

[Chopper Dave]

You know it really is amazing that there is a political debate in this thread. I read the title and thought "oh an there must be hot chics in that thread" but I was wrong...and it made me sad. But then suddenly out of no where absurdity in the form of a wildly misplaced political cheap shot showed up and made me laugh.

True, true. I just knew when I saw hokie's name as the last poster that it would end up like this. I'm all for ending the political debate in this thread, but I'm certainly not going to let hokie get away with making ridiculously off-base comments like that.

[hokie4redskins]

You only see two? Better get those cataracts checked. Heard you're already on medication for that though.

Over and out. *kshh*

[Chopper Dave]

You only see two? Better get those cataracts checked. Heard you're already on medication for that though.

Over and out. *kshh*

:doh:

It's glaucoma, man. Just another mistaken fact on your part.

Socialist principles:

Anti-religion - don't think so; socialism has nothing to do with this

Anti-guns - again, in no way related to socialist policy

Abortions on demand - has nothing to do with socialism

Taxation up the yin yang - That's 1

Socialized healthcare - That's 2

Anti-war at all costs - not socialist in the least, and certainly not communist either

Anti-Israel at all costs - wasn't even around when socialism came into existence

Pro-unions - maybe, but not really a socialist concept; something that some socialists might agree with

OK, so it's not "two" per se, it's actually "two, MAYBE three."

You are not going to win this argument, discussion, debate, anti-Communist crusade, whatever you want to call it. Facts, reality, common sense, and reason are all against you. What's funny is that a "skeevy stoner" is having to teach you basic comparative politics on an internet message board. Doesn't say much for you sober guys, does it?

[dfitzo53]

Depends on how you look at it, I suppose. Many liken republicans to Nazis and quite often I might add.

Ah, yes, the old "they do it too" defense. The characterization of Republicans as Nazis isn't any less ridiculous than the characterization of Democrats as communists. Either way it wouldn't make wild generalizations about liberals any more true.

[hokie4redskins]

Ah, yes, the old "they do it too" defense. The characterization of Republicans as Nazis isn't any less ridiculous than the characterization of Democrats as communists. Either way it wouldn't make wild generalizations about liberals any more true.

Dfitzo, I'm asking you again, please. Refute it then. Tell me WHY I'm wrong. Again, you're dodging it with the "that's ridiculous" defense. Care to elaborate, counselor? So quick to criticize yet with no explanation.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

[Chopper Dave]

Ah, yes, the old "they do it too" defense. The characterization of Republicans as Nazis isn't any less ridiculous than the characterization of Democrats as communists. Either way it wouldn't make wild generalizations about liberals any more true.

Dfitzo, I'm asking you again, please. Refute it then. Tell me WHY I'm wrong. Again, you're dodging it with the "that's ridiculous" defense. Care to elaborate, counselor? So quick to criticize yet with no explanation.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

He did refute it. You're selectively reading. He said that it's not right for either party to generalize like that. I'm not exactly sure what else you're looking for.

And besides all of this, even if your insane stereotype was wholly true, it still doesn't change the fact that they have the same right to post that you do.

Care to respond?

[rincewind]

And the answer to the question asked in the thread title in 3.....2......1......

[dfitzo53]

Dfitzo, I'm asking you again, please. Refute it then. Tell me WHY I'm wrong. Again, you're dodging it with the "that's ridiculous" defense. Care to elaborate, counselor? So quick to criticize yet with no explanation.

Sounds familiar, doesn't it?

If you're referring to the list of generalizations, I believe Chopper Dave already addressed that. If you're asking why I think you're wrong in bringing up the Republican-Nazi connection, I've told you.

Interesting also that you view Chopper Dave's marijuana use (and mine by association) as germane to the discussion.

[hokie4redskins]

Oh really? He picked apart each communist/democrat link? As a matter of fact, you didn't either. Man, you guys are great at pretending to answer questions. Somewhere, John Kerry is smiling.

Nope, CD addressed his own personal beliefs. I don't give a flaming turd about that. I'm asking how the democratic party's platform is any different from communist/socialist beliefs. Nobody seems to want to answer that question so I'll take that as deference to my ideological superiority. :cool:

Who said anything about marijuana? Why do you people keep announcing your drug habits to the world?

[Chopper Dave]

Oh really? He picked apart each communist/democrat link? As a matter of fact, you didn't either. Man, you guys are great at pretending to answer questions. Somewhere, John Kerry is smiling.

While those viewpoints might fit some liberals on this board, your logic is flawed in that first of all, only two of those things are socialist concepts, and second of all, socialism isn't communism.

So, according to your own words, there are only two similarities between Democrats and people who share some common views with Marxists.

OK, I think I can live with that.

Additionally, I think it needs to be said that even if your baseless accusations were true, it wouldn't matter, because even diehard Communists have a right to post, so long as they do it within the rules of the board.

:doh:

It's glaucoma, man. Just another mistaken fact on your part.

Socialist principles:

Anti-religion - don't think so; socialism has nothing to do with this

Anti-guns - again, in no way related to socialist policy

Abortions on demand - has nothing to do with socialism

Taxation up the yin yang - That's 1

Socialized healthcare - That's 2

Anti-war at all costs - not socialist in the least, and certainly not communist either

Anti-Israel at all costs - wasn't even around when socialism came into existence

Pro-unions - maybe, but not really a socialist concept; something that some socialists might agree with

OK, so it's not "two" per se, it's actually "two, MAYBE three."

You are not going to win this argument, discussion, debate, anti-Communist crusade, whatever you want to call it. Facts, reality, common sense, and reason are all against you. What's funny is that a "skeevy stoner" is having to teach you basic comparative politics on an internet message board. Doesn't say much for you sober guys, does it?

Again, I find it hilarious that a couple of stoners, whose brains must be fried, right , have to point out the blatantly obvious and intelligently unchallenging to you.

[dfitzo53]

Oh really? He picked apart each communist/democrat link? As a matter of fact, you didn't either. Man, you guys are great at pretending to answer questions. Somewhere, John Kerry is smiling.

How about this: I'm going to leave now, because I have better things to do, and you can believe you've won this debate.

[Chopper Dave]

How about this: I'm going to leave now, because I have better things to do, and you can believe you've won this debate.

Man, I wish I had something better to do.

[Chopper Dave]

Nope, CD addressed his own personal beliefs. I don't give a flaming turd about that. I'm asking how the democratic party's platform is any different from communist/socialist beliefs. Nobody seems to want to answer that question so I'll take that as deference to my ideological superiority. :cool:

Refer to my previous post, or even the post where I remind you that I made said post.

Who said anything about marijuana? Why do you people keep announcing your drug habits to the world?

You only see two? Better get those cataracts checked. Heard you're already on medication for that though.

Over and out. *kshh*

I thought I was the one who was supposed to have bad short term memory.

[rincewind]

Man, I wish I had something better to do.

You could start practicing for our little challenge.

[Chopper Dave]

You could start practicing for our little challenge.

LOL. Unfortunately, my stash is in Gainesville, whereas I'm back at home until tomorrow. Hence why I have nothing better to do.

[hokie4redskins]

oh, so it's three similarities now? Is that not enough? Check again, maybe this time you'll see four. At least we're getting somewhere now. Just to avoid any confusion, would you care to tell me WHICH three? That way I can tell you which ones you forgot. Look carefully now. Eventually you'll respond with.....

"Whatever dude, there's only 10 similarities, you're so wrong."

This is hilarious. Those who can give me a straight answer, it would be greatly appreciated and respected. I'll check back in the morning. Thanks.

[Chopper Dave]

oh, so it's three similarities now? Is that not enough? Check again, maybe this time you'll see four. At least we're getting somewhere now. Just to avoid any confusion, would you care to tell me WHICH three? That way I can tell you which ones you forgot. Look carefully now. Eventually you'll respond with.....

"Whatever dude, there's only 10 similarities, you're so wrong." This is hilarious. Those who can give me a straight answer, it would be greatly appreciated and respected. Thanks.

LEARN TO READ. It's all clearly laid out for you. I even wrote it in English to make your life easier.

By the way, my systematic refutation of your point can easily be summed up by saying socialism is an economic system, and it is not the same as communism. Basically, take anything you put that has nothing to do with economics out of the picture. Then realize that just because some Democrats may agree with those two (three if you really stretch it to make the facts fit your opinion) things, that doesn't make them socialists, and even if they were socialists, that wouldn't make them communists, and even if they were communists, they'd still have the same right you have to post on this board.

And just to make it EVEN easier, here it is again for the THIRD time.

Socialist principles:

Anti-religion - don't think so; socialism has nothing to do with this

Anti-guns - again, in no way related to socialist policy

Abortions on demand - has nothing to do with socialism

Taxation up the yin yang - That's 1

Socialized healthcare - That's 2

Anti-war at all costs - not socialist in the least, and certainly not communist either

Anti-Israel at all costs - wasn't even around when socialism came into existence

Pro-unions - maybe, but not really a socialist concept; something that some socialists might agree with

Now, if you can't debate the evidence presented, and accept the fact that I've given you more than enough of a response, then you can go ahead, pretend that I'm not answering your questions, pretend that you won this debate, and in spite of the fact that I really have nothing better to do, we'll just call it a night. Because I can only deal with garbage like this for so long.

[hokie4redskins]

Wow, that only took you what, two hours to finally answer the question?

Well, it sure seems communists and socialists believe they're the same as they're proud of their internet affiliations.

http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/13/

(I can't believe I actually accessed this website. See what I do to show you the error of your ways Chopper? And do I ever get a "thanks, hokie, you're the greatest." Nope.)

If you'd like to brush up on your socialism facts, click here to access their platforms.

http://www.sp-usa.org/platform/

Try telling me this wasn't written by Howard Dean. Please, I'd love to see you try to wiggle out of this one. (I'm talking metaphorically. I know Howard Dean didn't write this. But he could've.)

So to sum up for you, as I'm sure you're blitzed out of your mind at the moment.

Communism = Socialism = Spewage of American democrats.

See? Was that so difficult?

[Chopper Dave]

Wow, that only took you what, two hours to finally answer the question?

Well, it sure seems communists and socialists believe they're the same as they're proud of their internet affiliations.

http://www.cpusa.org/article/static/13/

(I can't believe I actually accessed this website. See what I do to show you the error of your ways Chopper? And do I ever get a "thanks, hokie, you're the greatest." Nope.)

If you'd like to brush up on your socialism facts, click here to access their platforms.

http://www.sp-usa.org/platform/

Try telling me this wasn't written by Howard Dean. Please, I'd love to see you try to wiggle out of this one. (I'm talking metaphorically. I know Howard Dean didn't write this. But he could've.)

So to sum up for you, as I'm sure you're blitzed out of your mind at the moment.

Communism = Socialism = Spewage of American democrats.

See? Was that so difficult?

Wow... just wow. First off, if you're going to accuse me of something like dodging an issue, you better be ready to back it up. Because I sure am ready to rebut it.

I first responded to your post 3 minutes after you posted it. It wasn't very specific, just a basic rebuttal of what you said. 18 minutes after my first rebuttal, you posted that you wanted something more specific. 5 minutes later, I provided that. You still didn't understand, which you made clear 14 minutes later. 5 minutes after that, I broke it down detail by detail. 27 minutes later you still claimed that I didn't offer any rebuttal. 2 minutes later I directly quoted the very same rebuttal you apparently didn't see. 9 minutes later, you apparently STILL couldn't read it. 4 minutes after that, I provided the same information, verbatim, for the third time. 46 minutes later you finally took it upon yourself to read the rebuttal that had so kindly been provided to you THREE TIMES.

Now, I ask you, was I really the one that was delinquint in answering? Sure, your response to my analysis was posted somewhere in the realm of two hours later, but it's fairly clear that if anyone was slow to respond, it was most definitely you. Please, hokie, the numbers don't lie, but if you are in fact the literate, somewhat intelligent human being you so claim to be, then you obviously do.

Second of all, I'm not going to explain to you what socialism is, what communism is, and how they are related. You obviously don't know what they are, and as such, you have no place making this argument. Your evidence is laughable at best. Just because something is affiliated with something else doesn't mean that it is fact that thing. Also, do you think there could be a reason why the Socialist Party and Communist Party have different websites? Could it be because they are separate entities?

Anyone with rudimentary political knowledge will tell you that socialism and communism are not the same thing.

On top of all of this, while you sit here and accuse me of not responding, you yourself fail to respond to anything anyone is saying. Let's just forget the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to communism in relation to socialism. Let's just assume we agree, and we're both right. I mean, it's obvious that you're wrong, and there's no way I'd ever agree with such a poorly formed and dubiously supported opinion, but that's completely aside from the point. You haven't answered a single question anyone has asked, and you haven't responded to a single rebuttal anyone's posed. Do you deny that the majority of the points you've posted have nothing to do with socialism? If so, why? Do you deny that someone who is a liberal doesn't have to agree with all of those points? If so, why? Do you deny that just because someone is a liberal it doesn't mean they are a socialist or communist? If so, why? Does someone being a socialist, communist, or Democrat disqualify them from the same posting privelages that you have? If so, why?

In regard to that last question, given your initial post in this thread, your answer should be yes. And if that is indeed your answer, you're going to have quite a bit of explaining to do, because that's certainly a hefty claim on your part.

Your views have been called out. Now it's time to back them up like a man or run away and ignore this post like a child. The ball's in your court. I really hope that you respond, because I'd like to have some semblance of an idea as to what's going on in your head.

And please, come back with something besides "you're stoned, socialism is communism, liberals are communists, communists suck, liberals suck." Please. I beg you. Because I'm getting dumber by the minute listening to you prattle on with this meaningless, unsubstantiated nonsense.

[Chief skin]

Some people just don't like and can't bear to hear other opinions that differ with their own. Instead of respecting and agreeing to disagree they lower themselves and the tailgate to a nonsensical level that is harmful to all. Soluition just ban the repeat offenders