SkinsNeverDie Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 Problem withthat is, Lavar wants to play in DC and will stay. At least for the next 2 yrs Lavar does not have more power than the coaches and the ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsD Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 That would NEVER happen. LA is worth a mid-round pick from everything I have read, Ramsey is in that same boat. Why would the Jets trade their best Dlineman AND their #5 pick for two mid round quality worth picks? Not even close to reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamyesme1111 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 No chance. yes chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWB Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Ramsey and our 3rd for abe is a possibilty imo. John Abraham doesn't even want to be on the Jets, and I'm pretty sure the jets don't want him either, just waiting for the right situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tkatz Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I like the premise of the trade. They would be willing to part with John Abraham for sure but it would take a lot to pry that 1st rd pick away. Maybe we could package Arrington, Ramsey, our 3rd, and Ladell Betts. He could end up replacing Curtis Martin and give them legit competition for their back up Derrek Blaylock. I love the idea, but I dont know if its realistic :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenster95 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 If we ever got the Jets' first round pick, which is fourth overall, we would be incredibly stupid to pick A.J. Hawk. We NEED a pass rushing DE, and a whole number of them would available there, not the least of which is Mario Williams from NC State. Hell, if we passed on Williams, we could trade down to pick up folks like Mathias Kiwanuka from Boston College and Tamba Hali from Penn St. No way do we take anything other than a DE in the draft if we get that type of pick unless we somehow fix our DE problem earlier on via a trade or FA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhi4582 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 With that trade scenario you are definately looking through burgandy glasses. I've read many articles with comments from other league GM's about the trade values for Ramsey and Arrington. The bottom line is everyone knows Ramsey will get released if we do not conjure up a trade. ESPN said we'd be lucky to get a 5th for him. As far as Arrington goes, if we trade him, we'd absorb a $12 Million hit. We would be far better off keeping him and restucturing his contract. Even if he is sorry to say, but slightly above average at best in this defense. If we did trade him, we'd be lucky to get a 3rd for him. I'd love to get 1st rounders and John Abraham for these guys but welcome to reality. Veterans players with a recent history of injuries and backup QB's who have proven nothing and will certainly be released anyway just don't garner much trade value in the NFL these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNeverDie Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 If we ever got the Jets' first round pick, which is fourth overall, we would be incredibly stupid to pick A.J. Hawk. We NEED a pass rushing DE, and a whole number of them would available there, not the least of which is Mario Williams from NC State. Hell, if we passed on Williams, we could trade down to pick up folks like Mathias Kiwanuka from Boston College and Tamba Hali from Penn St. No way do we take anything other than a DE in the draft if we get that type of pick unless we somehow fix our DE problem earlier on via a trade or FA. Really? We would get Abraham, and could pick one up in the second. Now who on earth would be our other OLB? Yeah... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Happy Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 The Jets are roughly $30 million over the cap. They can't afford to franchise John Abraham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenster95 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Really? We would get Abraham, and could pick one up in the second. Now who on earth would be our other OLB? Yeah... Read my post again. Did I mention that I was basing that on the trade that was proposed? Personally, I think that trade is completely out there. Therefore, instead of referring to the trade, I just said that if we somehow got the Jet's first round pick, we'd be idiots to pass up on a pass rushing DE if we hadn't fixed our problems there already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 These trade scenarios where its obviously a great trade for us and the other team gets screwed, are kind of a waste of time to discuss. We might be able to get Abraham, but it will cost us at least our #1 draft pick in 2007. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh90286 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Most of you don't even seem to realize how much the 5th overall pick alone is worth. There is no way at all that would get it done. It is being said by nearly everyone that is not a Skins fan that Arrington would likely garner a mid-rounder. I think it would be a mid-2nd rounder. There is no way we get the number five overall pick along with a player like John Abraham for Ramsey (who fetches a mid to late rounder), Arrington (who fetches a mid-rounder), and 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philal0102 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 i dont see that happening any time soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4ever Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I doubt if we would trade LaVar. There's too much money on the salary cap involved with him. Laverneus Coles is already costing us money against the cap. As far as A.J. Hawk goes...well, he's good. But on the pro level we don't know if he can play the ROLB spot. Hawk is a middle linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tenken627 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Why would the Jets give up that much for a BACKUP quarterback? The Jets want a QB, yes, but a very good backup. They have soooooooo much money tied up in Chad Pennington its not even funny. He signed a $64 million dollar contract over a year ago. They can't trade/release him, so they will have to play him. Plus why get an aging Abraham with your trade scenario when if you have the #4 overall pick you can get Mario Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSchwartz Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I hope you had a nice break from the real world, but that kinda stuff only flies in Madden Football. First problem with the trade is the fact that Arrington will count 12 million against the cap if we keep him and 12 million against the cap if we cut him and 12 million against the cap if we trade him. Knowing that, why are we gonna waste 12 million on Lavar ARrington if he isn't on this roster making plays? Second problem, why are the Jets giving up a Top 10 pick in the draft? No one would be that monumentally stupid when making a deal that involves two players that aren't healthy, and a QB that has yet to prove himself for a full season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 With the...*ahem* Jets. We would trade: Lavar Arrington-If ONLY the coaching staff feels they can live without. Patrick Ramsey 3rd round pick We would get: John Abraham Jets first round pick: With this we would select AJ Hawk. (Virtually to replace Arrington) Now, i beieve this would be great for us. I can easily see this happening if the coaches dont want Arrington here. I dont really want this to get into a battle, i just want to discuss with some of my fellow Skins fans. a trade has to work out for both sides. both sides have to see the benefit. the jets could draft Hawk and keep abraham and their defense would be better!! they could trade for brees or rivers who are both better than ramsey. Also ramsey might be on his way out anyway so why trade #4 pick in the draft for a back up player and an often injured head case player? and also give up you franchise pass rusher who is among the best in the league. last year's trade of coles for moss each team saw a malcontent player with equal or similar talent. this trade is not equal or similar. its a unrealistic and dreamy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiplohmillers#1 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Not sure if I get it. You are saying that Arrington Ramsey and a 3rd would some how equate to John Abraham and a top 10 pick. Hmmm...... NOPE you and the kid that said we should trade Ladell Betts for Steve Smith should get together, I would love to see the ideas brewing out of that situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailYeah Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 No way they throw in their first rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZYHORSE19682003 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 There Is A Possibility Of Doing A Sign And Trade, Restructure Arringtons Deal To Make It More Cap Friendly And Then Trade Him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I don't think it will happen, but not because its not a fair trade. It is slightly in our favor. Ramsey and a 3rd rounder aren't worth Abraham or the Jets 1st rounder. But the Jets are too far over the cap right now. They can't justify a 12 million dollar player right now. And I don't think Arrington would be willing to restructure just to be traded to the Jets. He said he would be willing to restructure in order ot stay a Skin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I can't think of any offer from any team that would make me give up a top five pick. Maybe if Troy Polamalu or Stephen Jackson were involved. But a backup QB and an oft-injured LB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twenty-eight Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 no chance we get a first rounder! All these "trade senario's" would never ever happen! This isnt madden, no body is giving us a first round pick for lavar ramsey or anyone else we are willing to part with! Isnt Abraham a Fa??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 This could really work..................... In the alternate universe called EA Sports on Planet Madden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUviaDC101 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 This would never happen. HOWEVER... I could see something similar happening to NO, with getting rid of Ramsey, and Betts... Gibbs For Life!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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