Sarge Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48485 INVASION USA Texas border standoff with Mexican military Foreign personnel mount machine guns on U.S. side while helping drug smugglers -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: January 24, 2006 2:50 p.m. Eastern © 2006 WorldNetDaily.com Texas law enforcement officers and Border Patrol agents engaged in an armed standoff with Mexican military personnel and drug smugglers just inside the United States along the Rio Grande yesterday afternoon. According to a report in the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, Calif., both Texas law enforcement and the FBI stated nearly 30 American agents were part of the incident. Chief Deputy Mike Doyal of the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department told the paper Mexican military Humvees were towing what appeared to be thousands of pounds of marijuana across the border into the United States. Border Patrol agents called for backup after seeing that Mexican Army troops had several mounted machine guns on the ground more than 200 yards inside the U.S. border – near Neely's Crossing, about 50 miles east of El Paso. Doyal said Hudspeth County deputies and Texas Highway patrol officers arrived shortly afterward. "It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal told the Bulletin. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us." Andrea Simmons, a spokeswoman with the FBI's El Paso office, confirmed the incident, saying, "Bad guys in three vehicles ended up on the border. People with Humvees, who appeared to be with the Mexican army, were involved with the three vehicles in getting them back across." A Cadillac Escalade reportedly stolen from El Paso was captured, and U.S. officers found 1,477 pounds of marijuana inside. The Mexican soldiers set fire to one of the Humvees stuck in the river, Doyal indicated. Doyal emphasized Border Patrol agents and county deputies are not equipped for battle with military personnel. "Our government has to do something," he told the Bulletin. "It's not the immigrants coming over for jobs we're worried about. It's the smugglers, Mexican military and the national threat to our borders that we're worried about." Earlier this month, the Department of Homeland Security reported 216 incursions by Mexican soldiers during the past 10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Punani2 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 We need to get the national guard down there with some TOW missiles and M-60s. If the Mexican military comes over the border again turn them into hamburger... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLadyRaven Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 What we need is the military back from Iraq (now that that is finished) along the Mexico US border chop chop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 What we need is the military back from Iraq (now that that is finished) along the Mexico US border chop chop Pssst! We have enough military to put their now, not that you'd ever think that reading the media or heyholetgogrant's posts. It's just that Bush won't do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 What we need is the military back from Iraq (now that that is finished) along the Mexico US border chop chop This is the job of the NATIONAL GUARD. If it turns into war, then you're correct. However, let's not turn this into a "We should've never gone to Iraq" debate. This is an astonishing incident, at least to me. But, we created the National Guard for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonef1de Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 One Marine sniper and I don't think they would be too inclined to come back. (see: Carlos Hath****) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 We need to get the national guard down there with some TOW missiles and M-60s. If the Mexican military comes over the border again turn them into hamburger... A Predator would do the job. They'd never know what hit them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkLadyRaven Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 This is the job of the NATIONAL GUARD. If it turns into war, then you're correct. However, let's not turn this into a "We should've never gone to Iraq" debate. This is an astonishing incident, at least to me. But, we created the National Guard for a reason. To me its whoever has the biggest baddest toys--I have the perception that is the army Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 To me its whoever has the biggest baddest toys--I have the perception that is the army That's not how our national defense is designed. The National Guard is not given a free paycheck. They serve a purpose (and that statement is in no way an insult to any Guardsman on the board, but rather, a compliment). And, btw, the national guard is very much related to the Army (obviously not to the same degree or amount, but train on similar equipment). They technically have access to the same resources as the Army. And believe me, you don't need much against the Mexican army. A couple Abrams M1, a couple choppers, and a whole bunch of armed guardsmen ready to rock is enough to have them turn tail and run back across the boarder they crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLeVan Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I wouldn't trust a National Guard unit in an Abrams M-1 or with heavy arms for that matter. They are called weekend warriors for a reason. Having served in the military, these so called soldiers are no more equiped to handle a rifle in combat than they are to serve plate lunches at your local Denny's. Unfortunately, these poor folks that were recieving a decent stipend every month are forced into duty. We're starting to see a paradigm shift in the free National Guard money the gov't offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I wouldn't trust a National Guard unit in an Abrams M-1 or with heavy arms for that matter. They are called weekend warriors for a reason. Having served in the military, these so called soldiers are no more equiped to handle a rifle in combat than they are to serve plate lunches at your local Denny's.Unfortunately, these poor folks that were recieving a decent stipend every month are forced into duty. We're starting to see a paradigm shift in the free National Guard money the gov't offers. Well, my friend, I also served, and I'll tell you a guardsman CAN drive a tank, if that's their MOS. Maybe not as well as Active Duty, but that's ALL they are trained on. Maybe you've seen the pogue Brigade, but the ones that are trained in what they do can at the very least defeat the Mexican military. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 I wouldn't trust a National Guard unit in an Abrams M-1 or with heavy arms for that matter. They are called weekend warriors for a reason. Having served in the military, these so called soldiers are no more equiped to handle a rifle in combat than they are to serve plate lunches at your local Denny's.Unfortunately, these poor folks that were recieving a decent stipend every month are forced into duty. We're starting to see a paradigm shift in the free National Guard money the gov't offers. Uh, I'm not quite sure what you're talking about. I don't know when you served, but over the last ten years the Guard/Reserve has been deeply intergrated into the force. Some capabilities are availible only from Guard units. I'm pretty sure they can handle the Mexican Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLeVan Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 That was my intent, not to insult but inform. The National Guard just doesn't have the time in seat to give me that warm fuzzy. I'm not trying to insult them, but comparing them to the Army as equals would be insulting the Army. As far as anyone can defeat the Mexican Army, the moment you undersetimate your enemy is the moment you concede defeat. Even in a football forum you can see that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 That was my intent, not to insult but inform. The National Guard just doesn't have the time in seat to give me that warm fuzzy. I'm not trying to insult them, but comparing them to the Army as equals would be insulting the Army. As far as anyone can defeat the Mexican Army, the moment you undersetimate your enemy is the moment you concede defeat. Even in a football forum you can see that. No, the point is, have you met Infantry trained (or tank trained) guardsmen? Yes, they are not as well trained as the Army regulars. However, I guarantee they are trained well enough to fly a chopper without killing people, or rolling a tank with the same result. The Mexican Army is nothing. But, should it become SOMETHING, you better damn expect our Guardsmen to start training better, and expect a redeployment of our active duty men and women. (Coincidentally, I met many of them in Basic Training, and mentally, on average, they're just as tough as the regular Army) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLeVan Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you. Yes, the NG are trained, to the extent of the regular military, no (experience plays a vital role). Joint ops is what makes the military as efficient as it is. Similar to taking a drivers ed course versus fifty cars working in tandem practiced over many months. I respect the effort that the NG displays and the sacrificies they are making now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Pssst! We have enough military to put their now, not that you'd ever think that reading the media or heyholetgogrant's posts. It's just that Bush won't do it. Then Bush should be impeached and removed from office, for failing to protect our borders. Joe Scarboro had something on this type of thing Monday night. It happens alot. Mexican Military cross our borders. I think that's an act of war and we should be gearing up for a second Mexican-American war. It's time to put these damn Mexicans back in their places! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sarge Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 Then Bush should be impeached and removed from office, for failing to protect our borders.Joe Scarboro had something on this type of thing Monday night. It happens alot. Mexican Military cross our borders. I think that's an act of war and we should be gearing up for a second Mexican-American war. It's time to put these damn Mexicans back in their places! I've said before if people want to dog Bush, this should be one of the issues. Either there is a war on terror, in which case it only makes sense to seal the border. Or, if it's OK to leave the border wide open, then how serious should we take the war of terror? In either case, this is not the first time this has happend, and mexico needs it's pee pee stomped for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RLeVan Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 You wouldn't happen to be stationed in Kaneohe MCBH would you Sarge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 25, 2006 Author Share Posted January 25, 2006 You wouldn't happen to be stationed in Kaneohe MCBH would you Sarge? Hickam. Got a few friends over that way though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herrmag Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 Then Bush should be impeached and removed from office, for failing to protect our borders.Joe Scarboro had something on this type of thing Monday night. It happens alot. Mexican Military cross our borders. I think that's an act of war and we should be gearing up for a second Mexican-American war. It's time to put these damn Mexicans back in their places! Then go back and impeach Clinton! I'm not a Clinton hatrer ( although he did f' up the military while I was in), but seriously, that's silly. C'mon. We have enemies to the south? Bring them out. Mexico? No kidding. Our intel is already on it, I assure you. Mexico is a threat, under the assumption we give them their cash and they still continue the behavior. EDIT: And Venezuela is a known threat....They are being WATCHED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I'd heard an interview recently with a boarder patroll officer who was saying that we have the survailance assets on the boarder (and looking accross the boarder) and that we now can tell where the drug smugglers (as opposed to the people smugglers) are by watching which units the mexican army are guarding. When I heard that I figured that the first thing that needed to happen was for somebody to bention to Mr. Fox that it's one thing for the mexicans to pretend that gee, we just can't stop this thing, we don't know HOW it's happening, but when the mexican military begins helping invade the US, then that makes it a military operation. And I figured that the second thing that needed to happen, when our diplomatic advisory to Mr. Fox produced bupkis, was to explain to the Mexican Army the implications of escalating their "second job" into a military matter. I was imagining Spooky would be the correct way to explain this. (Have to be carefull to leave a few survivors.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I'm pretty sure they can handle the Mexican Army. I'd like to think so Sarge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 BTW, I will point out, I'd bet that these actions aren't official actions by the Mexican government. I'd bet it's more a case of the druggies "contracting" some military units who're making some money on the side. Either way, the response needs to be the same: Sneak quietly accross the boarder, unarmed, and if you get caught, you'll talk to a judge. But come accross the boarder with a military escort with armed machine guns, and everybody dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos Posted January 25, 2006 Share Posted January 25, 2006 I'm not in favor of moving units from Hood,Polk or Bragg to guard the border.Just increase funding for the Border Patrol.Now using AF assets in tracking purposes would work. Imagine if a infrantry unit kiled a family in a firefight.The press would have a field day.Though the military has been invovlev in many so-called humanitarian missions , placing them there is not the best option IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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