CHUBAKAH Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/football/nfl/01/11/bc.fbn.halloffamefinali.ap/index.html Sorry if it's been posted, but I didn't see it, and am quite pumped about this!! Art Monk to the Hall!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 and Russ Grimm To be elected, a finalist must receive a minimum positive vote of 80 percent. Listed alphabetically, the 15 finalists with their positions, teams, and years follow: Troy Aikman - Quarterback - 1989-2000 Dallas Cowboys Harry Carson - Linebacker - 1976-1988 New York Giants L.C. Greenwood - Defensive End - 1969-1981 Pittsburgh Steelers Russ Grimm - Guard - 1981-1991 Washington Redskins Claude Humphrey - Defensive End - 1968-1978 Atlanta Falcons, 1979-1981 Philadelphia Eagles (injured reserve - 1975) Michael Irvin - Wide Receiver - 1988-1999 Dallas Cowboys Bob Kuechenberg - Guard - 1970-1984 Miami Dolphins (injured reserve - 1984) John Madden - Coach - 1969-1978 Oakland Raiders Art Monk - Wide Receiver - 1980-1993 Washington Redskins, 1994 New York Jets, 1995 Philadelphia Eagles Warren Moon - Quarterback - 1984-1993 Houston Oilers, 1994-1996 Minnesota Vikings, 1997-1998 Seattle Seahawks, 1999-2000 Kansas City Chiefs Derrick Thomas - Linebacker - 1989-1999 Kansas City Chiefs Thurman Thomas - Running Back - 1988-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Miami Dolphins Reggie White - Defensive End/Defensive Tackle - 1985-1992 Philadelphia Eagles, 1993-1998 Green Bay Packers, 2000 Carolina Panthers Rayfield Wright - Tackle - 1967-1979 Dallas Cowboys Gary Zimmerman - Tackle - 1986-1992 Minnesota Vikings, 1993-1997 Denver Broncos http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/release.jsp?release_id=1944 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Yeah baby. If he makes it, we should flood Canton. I know I will be there. :point2sky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pourdanesh Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 let's hope this is the year ... 15 years ago, that he'd still be out would have been preposterous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish50 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 God, I hope he gets in. He's way past due. HAIL TO ART MONK! HAIL TO THE REDSKINS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB44 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 and Russ GrimmTo be elected, a finalist must receive a minimum positive vote of 80 percent. Listed alphabetically, the 15 finalists with their positions, teams, and years follow: Troy Aikman - Quarterback - 1989-2000 Dallas Cowboys Harry Carson - Linebacker - 1976-1988 New York Giants L.C. Greenwood - Defensive End - 1969-1981 Pittsburgh Steelers Russ Grimm - Guard - 1981-1991 Washington Redskins Claude Humphrey - Defensive End - 1968-1978 Atlanta Falcons, 1979-1981 Philadelphia Eagles (injured reserve - 1975) Michael Irvin - Wide Receiver - 1988-1999 Dallas Cowboys Bob Kuechenberg - Guard - 1970-1984 Miami Dolphins (injured reserve - 1984) John Madden - Coach - 1969-1978 Oakland Raiders Art Monk - Wide Receiver - 1980-1993 Washington Redskins, 1994 New York Jets, 1995 Philadelphia Eagles Warren Moon - Quarterback - 1984-1993 Houston Oilers, 1994-1996 Minnesota Vikings, 1997-1998 Seattle Seahawks, 1999-2000 Kansas City Chiefs Derrick Thomas - Linebacker - 1989-1999 Kansas City Chiefs Thurman Thomas - Running Back - 1988-1999 Buffalo Bills, 2000 Miami Dolphins Reggie White - Defensive End/Defensive Tackle - 1985-1992 Philadelphia Eagles, 1993-1998 Green Bay Packers, 2000 Carolina Panthers Rayfield Wright - Tackle - 1967-1979 Dallas Cowboys Gary Zimmerman - Tackle - 1986-1992 Minnesota Vikings, 1993-1997 Denver Broncos http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement/release.jsp?release_id=1944 Thats an impressive list. Most of those guys should be in the Hall.Reggie will make it. and they'll probably put Troy boy in because the Media loves him. I'm sure those sports writers are starting their hand exercises in preparation for their novels "Art Monk is the devil, and should not be in the Hall of Fame". :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalSkins81 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 No doubt its been a long time waiting. It should never have taken this long!!!! If for some reason he doesnt make it something and a bunch of someones need to get the head examined. My plan is to be in Canton that weekend if he gets in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Is this the farthest Monk and Grimm have ever gotten? I'm also surprised to see John Madden on the list. I thought he was already a Hall of Famer. Right now I think Reggie White and Troy Aikman are shoe-ins and I'm afraid that because of Aikman, those HOF voters are going to put the President of the "White House" in at the same time. If that happens, wouldn't it be great if at the HOF ceremony Redskins fans come out in force to cheer on Monk and then for the first time in HOF induction history you hear loud booing for Aikman and Mr. "White House" when they are introduced and go up to give their speeches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 You know, I think Aikman was a talented QB and a pretty good guy, but has anyone ever actually looked at his stats? They really arent that impressive. His season high for TD passes is 23, and that's the only time he broke 20. His career TDs add up to 165, with 141 interceptions in a total of 165 games. His numbers are actually amazingly similar to Joey T, who had 160 TDs and 138 interceptions in 167 games. Both had their careers ended prematurely due to injury, but both were having subpar years at the time of the injury. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/AikmTr00.htm http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/TheiJo00.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimm Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Here's hoping they both get in, screw the cowgirls 'ache'man and that blowhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spaceman Spiff Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 hey peter king **** YOU! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Master Jay Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Thurman Thomas is a HOF no doubt he was the man. Any man that could keep Barry Sanders on th bench is a HOF. Art will get in it may take 15 years but he will get in. Let's hope it's before he passes but he is already a Hall of Famer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
21dave Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 It's a tough year...White, Aikman, Derrick Thomas, Madden (don't think he should make it as a coach, but I bet a lot of people will factor his career as an announcer into their votes.) Personally, I'd like to see both Monk and Carson, who has also been ignored far to long, make the HOF this year. And Grimm of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie0720 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Monk isn't getting in this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I believe only a max of 7 can go in with at least 1 being from the Senior committee. You know Troy and Reggie are locks, so with the one from Senior committee, that leaves 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizz Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I believe only a max of 7 can go in with at least 1 being from the Senior committee. You know Troy and Reggie are locks, so with the one from Senior committee, that leaves 4. A 39-member panel will vote on the finalists. A candidate must get 80 percent of the vote to be elected with a minimum of three and a maximum of six getting in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LApunkrocker72 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Art Monk should have been enshrined in Canton already. Hopefully, this is the year for him. If Michael Irvin gets in the Hall of Fame before Monk, then I'm going to be mighty upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimpy007 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 It seams as if they were already prepping people for reasons why someone will not make it on Total Access last night. They said that certain candidates will not make it although they me be qualified because there were others that excelled more at the same position. Right before discussing this they showed clips of Michael Irvin then Art Monks name was mentioned in a way as if they were wondering if he finally makes it. I just get that gut feeling that they were hinting Irvin over Monk. :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csgunderson Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I love Art Monk, but he's not a HOFer. He only led the league in one category (receptions) in one year (1984), only had three seasons in the top 10 in the league in yards (1984, 85, 89) and only one season in the top 10 in the league in TDs (1991). I know we all have different standards for what it means to be a HOFer, but I don't think longevity alone gets a player in. For me, the HOF should be limited to the players that dominated their position in their era. Art Monk was solid, sometimes very good, but he was never considered a "dominant" player for any significant span of time. Maybe my criteria is too lofty, but I think this explains why he has yet to be elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
linebckr99 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 It's a tough year...White, Aikman, Derrick Thomas, Madden (don't think he should make it as a coach, but I bet a lot of people will factor his career as an announcer into their votes.) Personally, I'd like to see both Monk and Carson, who has also been ignored far to long, make the HOF this year. And Grimm of course. I think Madden is deserving as a coach. He still has the highest winning percentage out of any coach with 100 or more victories (0.759). The only knock on Madden is that he didn't coach enough seasons. In his 10 seasons as a coach he never had a losing record, won 7 division titles and 8 playoff appearances. He won 1 Super Bowl. But I agree with you that his career as an announcer will definitely factor into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frediemac Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Thurman Thomas is a HOF no doubt he was the man. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Yes I remember he forgot his Helmet at the beginning of Super Bowl XXVI, then he Lost his Arse during it. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: But he was a good player but HOF ??? but a Good Player. We will see. :bsflag: White, Aikman, Madden are Locks the rest not sure, this whole Hall of Fame deal is a SHAME just like the PRO BOWL. How the Hell does Sean Taylor and Marcus Washington NOT make the Pro Bowl? How the Hell does Art Monk, Russ Grimm, and Joe Jacoby Not make the HOF? Both of these deals are just STUPID :bsflag: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 Too bad Len the Hut and petie queen are still on the election committee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimReefa Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I love Art Monk, but he's not a HOFer.He only led the league in one category (receptions) in one year (1984), only had three seasons in the top 10 in the league in yards (1984, 85, 89) and only one season in the top 10 in the league in TDs (1991). I know we all have different standards for what it means to be a HOFer, but I don't think longevity alone gets a player in. For me, the HOF should be limited to the players that dominated their position in their era. Art Monk was solid, sometimes very good, but he was never considered a "dominant" player for any significant span of time. Maybe my criteria is too lofty, but I think this explains why he has yet to be elected. See, this is the problem exactly. Who cares what somebody was "considered"? What people think about your accomplishments should not be the criteria. The criteria should be what did you accomplish over the course of your career. And over the course of Art Monk's career, he won no fewer than three Super Bowl rings, and he is in the top 10 all time in both receptions (5), and yards (9), and most of the poeple who passed him in those categories did so after he retired, when the League became more pass orientated. This is the same crap the sports media pulls in baseball. They underrate a player his entire career, then when Hall of Fame time comes around they reject the guy because he wasn't "considered dominant" enough. Considered dominant by who? Why, the sports media, of course! What did opposing coaches think about him? "Monk is headed to Canton downhill on roller skates" - Bill Pacells, 1995 http://www.thehogs.net/History/ArtMonk/index.html Now, who are you going to believe? Peter King, or Bill Parcells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wsniper1 Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 If Troy Aikman gets in and Monk doesn't its a tradgedy. Monk twice in top ten of position(6, 10)(once 11th). Top ten of WRs means the top 16% Aikman twice top ten of position(4, 10). Top ten QBs means top third.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest skinsmatic Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 I know its hard for Linemen to get into the hall of fame, But come on, not one hogs have made it. How can that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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