Extremeskins Gun Owners: Home Defense Recommendations

[jpillian]

From your article:

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Yeah -- that is a pretty disgusting quote. :doh: Sorry about that! I actually only glanced over the page and saw the part on modding (that'll show the computer geek in me) a Mossberg 500.

[BlueTalon]

If you're cleaning up a large pool of blood, and chunks of bone and brain, that means you've survived the encounter. Mission accomplished.

[Cskin]

I'm going gun shopping soon myself.... the events of New Orleans has convinced me that having an arsenal capable of stopping a whole host of perpetrators and situations is probably best.

Additionally, and I've mentioned this in jest a few times, I'm seriously considering buying a place in the mountains to use as a place of last retreat in the event of a catastophic event occuring in which humanity deteriorates into that of which we saw in New Orleans. Maybe a nice mtn. home for weekends and vacations that is supplied with enough firepower and food/water to protect my family for a few months or six.

[timitim]

I own a mossberg 500a and have been very pleased with it. You can get one for under $300. The choke tube allows for 8 rounds to be fired. My only suggestion of course is for you to get this weapon and take it out to the range so you can get a handle on the spread pattern of any loads that you may be using.

I use .00 buck and the spread pattern is the size of a pizza box at 15 feet so you have to take this into consideration. The weapon comes with the normal bead sights but if you want to use slugs then i would suggest purchasing "Ghost ring" sights to mount on it.

There is a certain simplicity that comes with the shotgun. You don't need alot of training to aim and shoot one, they will bring down everyone no matter how tough you are, and the sound of a shot gun racking a round in the chamber is universally known to all. They hear that and will know that you mean business.

[Commander PK]

Why do you think it's not a good gun for home defense? I think it's an excellent gun for home defense.

I live in a Townhome.

Edit: and when ****ed it had a hair trigger on it, and I mean HAIR. A flinch would fire the gun. It had been modified for Target matches.

Personally, I think .357 is a bit much for home defense in a Townhome. I don't want the bullet going through the perp, and then the next two homes next door as well.

[Commander PK]

I'm going gun shopping soon myself.... the events of New Orleans has convinced me that having an arsenal capable of stopping a whole host of perpetrators and situations is probably best.

Additionally, and I've mentioned this in jest a few times, I'm seriously considering buying a place in the mountains to use as a place of last retreat in the event of a catastophic event occuring in which humanity deteriorates into that of which we saw in New Orleans. Maybe a nice mtn. home for weekends and vacations that is supplied with enough firepower and food/water to protect my family for a few months or six.

CSkin, some laugh at you for talking like that, like you were a paranoid "New World Order" hick or something, but we are on the same page. I think it's a good idea. The way things have deteriorated in New Orleans just show, that even in America 2005, with all our technology and power. These things can still happen under the right circumstances, and nobody would be raping my wife, or stealing my stuff while I'm still breathing. It's just like having a condom. Better to have it and not need it, then need it and not have it.

[Larry]

Based on my vast experience with firearms (I've shot some, never owned one), I'd ask: What scenario are you preparing for?

If you're worried about what I'll call "New Orleans-style looting", then you'll have warning, and you'll be hunkered down. The bad news is: The folks who're going door-to-door, kicking in doors looking for jewelry will be, too. (Once, when a friend was showing me where the pistol was, just in case, and asked my how good a shot I was, my answer was that the only circumstance in which I'd ever use one, would be if I was baricaded in my bedroom and someone was breaking down the door. In a case like that, target-range accuracy really isn't needed.)

For cases like that, I'd go with most other folks recommendations: A shotgun. Ideally, pick an ammo (ask somebody who knows more than me) that won't penetrate two layers of drywall.

To me, the only reason for a rifle is if you want to be able to stop the Bad Guys when they're down the block. It's not an impossible scenario. (Consider those folks who supposedly opened fire on a repair crew, with a police escort. Whoever those folks were, they thought that a group of a dozen men (maybe they didn't know some were cops) wasn't something they were scared of.) But now you're thinking more in terms of neighborhood defense.

And, to me, the only reason for a pistol (in the NO-style social colapse scenario) is for you to carry when you go out. (Or, when you're driving.) (Now, if you want to cary something before society colapses, then a pistol is just a whole lot easier to cary.)

[chomerics]

I'm going gun shopping soon myself.... the events of New Orleans has convinced me that having an arsenal capable of stopping a whole host of perpetrators and situations is probably best.

Additionally, and I've mentioned this in jest a few times, I'm seriously considering buying a place in the mountains to use as a place of last retreat in the event of a catastophic event occuring in which humanity deteriorates into that of which we saw in New Orleans. Maybe a nice mtn. home for weekends and vacations that is supplied with enough firepower and food/water to protect my family for a few months or six.

You know what Skin, that is a great idea. I have no money now, but in a year, if things are still real bad, I'll be right there with you.

[BlueTalon]

I live in a Townhome.

Edit: and when ****ed it had a hair trigger on it, and I mean HAIR. A flinch would fire the gun. It had been modified for Target matches.

Personally, I think .357 is a bit much for home defense in a Townhome. I don't want the bullet going through the perp, and then the next two homes next door as well.

Ah, your particular .357 with the trigger job isn't ideally suited for home defense. Gotcha. I'm a big proponent of .357s, because they're simple to use and versatile. You don't have to put 147 grain hollowpoints in there, ya know. They make nifty lightweight high speed projectiles (about 20 grain) that won't penetrate much. You can also get shot shells for them. As Larry mentioned, they (revolvers/pistols) are easier to carry around than long guns.

[DC_Skins]

The Mossberg 500, 12GA pump is a great home defence weapon for the price. There are 4 different barrels you can get that I know of. For home defence, I would go with the modifyed choke being home defence is often close range. It would also have much to do with what type of load you want to use. Mod choke and 1X buck shot work well together. I don't like slugs for home defence, you have to be right on target, so unless your real cool at the time a spread of shot is better.

Mossberg offers an Improved cyl, modifyed choke, full choke, and the "slugster" barrels.

I've had a 500A for almost 30 years now, and have never had a problem with it. Hunted with it for years, and then converted it to an asult style weapon about 8 years ago. If you look hard enough, you can come up with pistol grip forearm, mag lite barrel mount, and floding stock.

I read an article on home defence weapons a long time ago. They were very high on semi auto 22 cal rifles. I didn't buy into it, but do have a Ruger 10/22 semi auto. I got my hands on a larger capicity mag for it years ago, so If I had to, I could put a lot of hollow points into a person fairly fast.

:2cents:

ROFL, thats what I have loaded by the head of my bed..

where is a good place to mod the gun.. Legal of course !

I want a shorter stock and maybe a shorter barrel. I have a 26 now..

any suggestions ?

thanks

Lee

[codeorama]

Another vote for the Mossberg 500. They are great shotguns that have lots of accessories.

Also, a 9mm because of the high clip capacity and a .357 magnum for the accuracy and putdown power.

[Commander PK]

I remember what a firearms instructor once had me, and my classmates do when we were discussing home defense firearms, and he wanted to show the "psycological advantage" of a shotgun.

He had us close our eyes. He then loaded his pistol, and racked the slide. Very little reaction from the class.

He then had us close our eyes again. He then racked his automatic shotgun. The noise made everybody jump.

If your a perp and your snooping around in somebody's nice quiet home, and from dead silence you hear the noise of a shotgun being racked...your probably going to head the other way with your tail between your legs.

[Ryman of the North]

Rifle-7mm Husqvarna, If I have to shoot someone faraway 7mm makes sure they stay down.since its been tested on Bears Im sure it will stop your average looter.

Pistol-Browning Hi power with 17 rd magazine and hollowpoints, if anything can get past 17 shots i'm in big big trouble. not as much stopping power as a .45 but SEVENTEEN shots makes up for it.

Shotgun- Remington Ithaca 12 gauge mod choke and enlarged magazine, pistol grip and easily controlled. Tough to find but worth it.

(Im not saying I actually have these as firearms are nearly illegal in my"enlightened" country.)

[dreamingwolf]

talking about illegal dream weapons, Ive always thought this a really cool gun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G11

The weapon uses a 4.73 mm caseless ammunition.

The design principle was to fire multi-round bursts with a higher degree of accuracy than possible with conventional assault rifles. The weapon itself has three firing modes: full auto (400-600 rounds per minute), semi-auto, and a three round burst (an impressive 2100 rounds per minute, which is roughly 35 rounds per second!). The loading and feed mechanism is very complicated but exceptionally fast and reliable. Rounds are held vertically from above the barrel. The firing cycle process is roughly:

A round is dropped into the revolving chamber vertically (a loading piston assists this process).

The chamber spins 90° until it is lined up with the barrel. A firing pin ignites the primer, which pushes the bullet into the barrel. Then the propellant ignites, accelerating the bullet out of the barrel.

The chamber then spins another 90° until it is lined up with the feed mechanism and the process repeats.

[Hog Fever]

I got to this thread late (as usual).

I’d recommend a shotgun as well. A Remington 870 would be my first choice because I am so familiar with them, but there are several that you own for under $300 that would do just fine. An express model with a parkerized finish and an 18” barrel would be ideal. If you wanted to hunt with it later you could buy a 28” barrel and swap it on.

As for ammunition for home defense I’d suggest bird shot (#8). The reason I’d suggest bird shot over buckshot is the possibility of over penetration. Buckshot or slugs would have no problem going right through wall boards and into other family member’s rooms. Bird shot will do just fine at the ranges that you be defending yourself in your home. You could always keep Buckshot and slugs for other needs and situations.

It’s fairly easy to get comfortable with a pump shotgun but I would suggest getting out and practicing with it every now and then to make sure you know what to do if you ever needed to use it. Hell, you could keep an RPG under your bed for protection but unless you know how to use it it’s useless.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot, it would be good to consider a forearm light of some sort. They are relatively cheap and are essential IMO on a good home defense shotgun. It leaves no mistake about what you’re targeting and has the added benefit of temporarily blinding or disorienting your target. Good luck.

[Hog Fever]

You know what Skin, that is a great idea. I have no money now, but in a year, if things are still real bad, I'll be right there with you.

By the time it gets to that it will be far too late. The time to prepare is now not when things are already bad.

Being prepared is NOT the same as being paranoid or being a part of the “Tin Foil Hat Brigade”. Fact is there may be some point in the future when you as an American citizen will have to feed and protect yourself for a period of time. You owe it to yourself and your family to be prepared when and if that point comes.