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Apples to oranges. Jay was never in a position to select players like Ron was. Jay has a reputation for being very good at player evaluations, and it doesn’t just come from McClouhan. Ron, on the other hand, is coming off authoring one of the worst draft/off-season performances by a GM we’ve ever seen. If you want to talk coaching, sure they’re both mediocre at best. But for evaluating talent, give me Jay all day long over Ron.

No doubt, there are always good RB prospects in the middle of the draft, and I’ve seen you identify plenty of them over the years. Pretty sure though that there are players you like at other positions that those picks could be used for as well, should we say sign a Barkley or something 😁. Anyway, glad to hear that you’re high on Gonzalez. I’ll definitely take your word for it because all I know is he’s considered somewhat one-dimensional, and was drafted by Ron Rivera. If you believe in Gonzalez, totally understand why a veteran running back would not be on your radar.

I don’t think anybody is embracing mediocrity. I agree we should take the swing at a QB, but I don’t agree that cashing in for the draft capital haul is a one-way ticket to mediocrity. If you want to judge it against the clown show we’ve had here the last 25 years, then sure. But there are many ways to skin a cat, and with a great GM like an Adam Peters and no more Snyder to meddle, it is possible to find that franchise QB another way. I think we need to get out of the mode of thinking our team is too dysfunctional to keep all options open. Again, I’m all for staying at 2 and taking a QB, but at some point there is a price where I would trade down. I don’t see it as embracing mediocrity, I see it as embracing a properly run organization. But just to flip it around, could one not argue that not going all in on a trade up for Caleb is embracing mediocrity?

Similar situation to us, but the big difference is they don’t have their choice of two guys like we do. They are stuck with which ever of the three falls. So if there’s one of the three that they don’t think is good, it wouldn’t be the craziest thing in the world to trade out and collect the draft capital bounty. Build up the roster, bring back Brissett as a stopgap, and draft a 2nd tier QB to develop like Nix. One things for sure… Mac Jones is NOT the answer.

Agreed. I’m only advocating for a short term deal with an RB. Two years max, at which point you can replace them with somebody else, also on the cheap. Safety or LB, I agree it’s more appropriate to make a longer-term offer for the right player.

Facts. These positions are where the good deals are in free agency. Premium positions are better left for the draft for the most part. It’s more important to have those Rookie salaries at the premium positions. This is why I keep saying it’s not the worst idea to sign a vet RB, even though I mostly get blasted when I say it.

Well, that’s no fun. Don’t you realize we’re trying to create a narrative where Parsons has a falling out with the Cowboys and decides to follow his favorite coach to DC??? 😎

Yeah, same here, I would’ve thought DE more than LB?? Guess not. Either way, I’m surprised Dallas is screwing with Parsons like that over 3 million, although it’s fair to say that DE is in fact his predominant position.

This is actually exactly why I prefer Maye over Daniels. At just 21 yo he has more upside for growth mentally and physically.

Somebody said this as a General philosophy, I don’t know who, but I agree: Spend your FA money on the non-premium positions where you can get better value… safety, RB, LB, TE Save your draft picks for the expensive premium positions QB, OT, WR, CB. Need guys on Rookie deals at those spots as much as possible. PS looks like we signed Ertz while I was typing—guess that fits so 👍👍

Yes give me the 26 yo who still has some upside instead of over the hill Ertz! I don’t mind a midly receiver at TE if he’s a good blocker. A de facto 2/20 for Saquon yeah I’d do that. Other good RBs available even cheaper too. Everyone understands that running backs have been devalued in today’s game, it is baked in to the pricing at this point. Find me a blue Chip talent that we can get any cheaper, and I’ll be all in.

Ertz is way too old for my taste, but he would buy some time to find a long term solution if they don’t see one available now. Same for LT Tyron Smith. Both injury prone but can still play well when healthy. Problem is both probably would prefer more of a win-now destination.

Thanks. Pretty pessimistic I’d say, but not unreasonable. Seems like option C would be best if you think Maye is a 90% bust. And trading up at the probable cost of at least next years first seems like a terrible idea if you really think Caleb is 85% bust. Agree most likely scenario is Maye, which I will be happy with.

We don’t agree on JF vs Sam but that’s cool. Curious what you would do at QB? Seems like you think they all suck and the rookies are all busts.

Ridder had two TDs and three picks. Put up 16 points in a loss against us. Yes, 307 yards isn’t bad, but they were playing catch-up. Fields 4 TDs zero picks. And 57 yd rushing. 282 pass yards playing with the lead where they ran most of the 2nd half. only one of those would I call “shredded” I don’t think you do. You have him for two years, for the cost of a low third round pick. The Russell Wilson situation was very different because of what they gave up to get him.

Bottom five as a passer does not equal bottom five QB. He’s running has shown to be elite. His leadership is not in question. His passing yes, while definitely better than the bottom 5 imo, is still a work in progress. To me, he gets some benefit of the doubt for having played with bad OL‘s, bad receivers other than one year of DJ, and bad coaching. If fields, Howell, and whatever lower tier QB we draft this year all bombed out, well then at least we have a better roster and plenty of draft capital for AP to work his magic and find us one. If Maye or Daniels is a bust, then we are nowhere and will have squandered an opportunity to add several top end players on Rookie salaries for the next couple years. Again, I’m just saying it’s an option. You don’t like fields at all, so I wouldn’t expect you to be on board. Taking May is still probably the move, but these discussions should be had since we know it’s out there that AP is considering all options.

Fields bottom 5? No way not even close imo. If that’s how you feel, no wonder it seems like madness. Fields is clearly unpopular on this board, but I don’t think anyone has him that low. For me he’s an easy upgrade over Howell. Maybe I’m just higher than most on JF, but kingdaddy’s proposal sounds reasonable to me. All that draft capital for Peters to work with for the next few years sounds really enticing to me. Totally get that the opportunity to pick a top end QB prospect comes once in forever, but so does the opportunity to grab an insane amount of draft capital. I’m still with the chalk pick of just take Drake Maye and hope he’s great, but the trade down idea (Fields or not) would not bother me one bit, and it would make the next few drafts a lot of fun.

No, I think everyone understands the concept of sacks per pressure. It’s not the the same as total sacks, so not sure your point fits here. And I think it’s pretty well documented that a guy like Maye faced a lot more pressure, and a lot faster pressure on a regular basis.

Agreed. Elite pass protection and elite speed to escape… So why does he take so many sacks?

We do. May not be possible to get it right per se where everyone is happy, but it will be easy to improve on the current situation! (I am a little worried they’ll decide it’s not worth the trouble though)

That’s all fair as well. We just differ on our feelings about the old name. For me the new name can suck it, because it was handpicked by Snyder. The old name was going away anyway, but I wish that would’ve happened after Snyder was gone so we could’ve had a legitimate renaming process. Could not agree more with your last two sentences. Snyder being gone is the most important thing, so no regrets.

Man, I’m all for tanking once we are eliminated from contention. But I gotta aim little higher than that for my “dream scenario”! 😁 kidding aside, though, I agree that would be a good place to be at the end of this year

No, I know why he did it. He didn’t have to go after the team name though. We have courts to settle such disputes. And it didn’t work anyway, he ended up having to sell his shares for way under value. Sure it’s great that Snyder taking on the debt was one of the dominoes that eventually led to his demise, but Fred Smith was looking out for Fred Smith and the rest of us suffered for it. I don’t give him or FedEx any credit for Snyder being gone.

I honestly don’t think sitting a year is what made Mahomes and Rogers great. They would have been Hall of Famers either way, and both of those teams may have cost themselves a title by keeping them on the bench behind lesser players. Mahomes has become the new Brady, where using him as a comparison for anything is a waste of time. He’s just a unicorn that is not constrained by conventional thinking. Love maybe we can talk once he puts up more than half a good season. But he is an outlier example, as teams generally do not spend high picks like that on a QB when they already have a stud at the position. Looks good now, but remember at the time they could’ve used those picks to give a still great Rogers a couple more weapons which may have put them over the top in those years.

Is he not that quality of player? I feel like he is. The player we thought we were getting when we drafted Chase. It’s expensive, but blue chip players do not come cheap. And we are seriously lacking in blue chip players right now. Plus, the guy is only 25 years old. If we are going to splurge on a stud player, this is the kind of guy we should target imo.