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And it's not only the QB position. I think the organization might spend themselves into a short window (hopefully I'm wrong). To me Scherff is a really good G. Not really dominant, but top 5. But he misses a lot of time. If they give a guy like that the biggest interior linemen contract in the league, it's not going to be money wisely spent. The rumor I heard was that they were going to sign Jon Allen to a massive extension, like 17 mil per year. Giving our 4th or 5th best DL that kind of money means we're probably a few years from 40%+ of our cap going to the DLine. At some point, you make choices. The board seems filled with people saying "gotta keep everybody" and at the same time talking about a 2-3 year window. Yes, that's the kind of trap we're going to be stuck in if we choose to step into it.

It's just my opinion, which isn't worth anything-. But a couple of years ago 4 QBs went high. My favorite of the group was a toss-up between Mayfield and Darnold (I ws likely wrong about Darnold, and certainly about Allen. To me, Fields is about that level of prospect, and he's my 4th this year.

You'd do that kind of deal if you like 2 of Fields, Wilson and Lance enough to do it. If there's only one you value enough to make that move, you'd have to wait until draft day and make sure he's there.

It sounds to me like you're getting his draft status mixed up with Lamar Jackson's.

So, you're acknowledging your own statement being wrong by posting another incorrect statement?

Personally, I would be hoping they do. Take them out of the market for a QB in the draft. Sounds like Atlanta might be out of it, too. If Carolina made that deal (which I'd doubt), then I'd start to be more intrigued at finding our guy there. Which is what I'd prefer anyway.

I wouldn't think so, but I was responding to the hypothetical of the wanting two 1s and dealing them for Watson.

My guess would be they would trade Carr for two 1s regardless. They may want to package those picks for Watson, but if they can't get him, they'd still be happy with the Carr part of the deal.

Two firsts for Carr?

That's kind of how I think of him. A kind of poor man's Hill.

To be clear, I wasn't criticizing you for comparing the situations, I was referring to the quote that SIP posted earlier suggesting the same kind of deal. The only relevance to your post that I quoted was the small correction on the Osweiler trade details.

It was a 2 and a 6 for a 4th to take Osweiler. That was to save $16 mil. With Ryan, the only thing Atlanta would be saving is the 5.5 mil guaranteed for 2012 (the rest they could save by releasing him). And Osweiler was a disaster in Houston. Comparing the situations is beyond silly.

I wouldn't want to make a Ryan move, though if we were committed to this "two/three year window, got to go for it" mentality then a deal with Atlanta makes some sense. But I can't believe for a second that Atlanta has to pay somebody to take Ryan off their hands. That makes no sense. He's still a good to very good QB, depending on how much last year's struggles were because of the team and coaching around him (i'm pretty sure some of it was).

2021: 23m 2022: 23.75m 2023: 28m

The 44 mil is irrelevant, the net hit would be about 4, and that's the number that matters. Their cap is a bit of a mess either way, but moving Ryan is easily doable and wise fi they are committed to rebuild (I don't know if they are).

So, this goes with this whole thing about us not being able to afford to keep everyone going forward and so we have to "go for it" now. At some point you make choices. People don't want to move anyone but they think we have a short window because they are all going to be expensive. Teams can afford multiple big contracts and still be title contenders, but you have to be smart about it. If the rumor that the team wants to give $17 million per year to our 4th (or maybe 5th) best DL is true, then the team's short window could really become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Trading Ryan isn't difficult for them. The issue for them is they are well over the cap and a lot of their big cap numbers belong to guys on shorter term deals, so they can't just get out of it with simple restructures. They need to do extensions. Then the question, of course, is if you really want to sign extensions and push cap hits into the future on a team that just won 4 games. But trading Ryan would only cost them a net of about 4 mil while getting his 41 mil figure completely off the books for 2022. The biggest downside to moving him, cap wise, is it gives them one less player to restructure.

Yeah, posting a bunch of numbers on Fields doesn't mean much to me. I just don't see anticipation and instincts as a passer. Again, I'm not saying he'll be bad. Just don't see him developing into greatness.

In a way, that's the problem. I think Fields has close to reach his ceiling as a passer, Lance has room to grow.

Okay, is there some glitch, or are a lot of people just clicking "quote" on the wrong post a lot today?

I just don't trust Fields ever developing. He looks like a guy who tops out as a Jackson level passer. Able to make some plays but never a guy who you win big with because of his throwing, Lance needs to sit for probably his whole first year. Work with him on his throwing the way Buffalo did with Fields. If you do that, I think the guy has the potential to be special. Like better than Allen.

I'd do it for Lance or Wilson. I just don't trust Fields as a pro prospect.

I think there will likely be more guys taking one year deals. Second their types, not the big targets.

Well many, many pro players attribute their development to veteran player mentors, but I guess no one told them that Koolblue13 has said they are wrong and those things don't mean anything. I'll alert the media.