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I don't think those are cucumbers. Probably half sour pickles.

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This is why JJ reminds me of Alex Smith. Not really a guy who's going to carry a team, but if you put the right pieces around him he'll be very efficient, will limit turnovers, and will be able to help move the chains. Could that change in the NFL and he'll turn into a stud who can carry a team with his arm? Sure. Is there any actual evidence for it? No, not really. Is that gamble worth betting the #2 overall pick on?

He didn't play Mahomes. He played KC's defense. And he sucked against them. And I don't think both Allen and Lamar will have a long time in the league. Lamar is a mediocre passer. He'll be 28 this year. Once he loses a couple more steps with age and his running isn't nearly the weapon it was when he was young, I think his effectiveness will go downhill quickly. We've seen what happens when defenses are able to mitigate his running and force him to be a pocket passer. Again, I don't care about an MVP if the guy consistently lays eggs in the post season. Neither have a SB win but I'll put my money on the guy who has shown great play in the postseason and will likely be in the league for another 10 years vs the guy who chokes in the postseason and relies mostly on his legs to win.

Yes they were. They were favored. And he sucked, and they lost. Just like in their previous playoff runs with him. I would take Allen 100 times out of 100 over Lamar. Allen is really good in the postseason and he'll likely still be an elite QB 8 years from now when Lamar is just a distant memory.

Who cares if he wins MVP if he sucks as soon as he gets to the playoffs and lays an egg? Dude will never win a SB. He's a choker as soon as his legs are mitigated by a decent defensive plan and he's forced to win with his arm. And Josh Allen has thrown 21 TDs to 4 INTs in the postseason. There's no comparison between him and Lamar in that regard.

Sure, anything is possible. But if Daniels the NFC's version of Lamar let's hope he's not totally Lamar, because Lamar isn't ever going to win a SB IMO. He's the quintessential regular season hero, postseason zero. Dude sucks in the playoffs.

They mostly just had me confused because I thought both Jones and Lance sucked as prospects.

You actually want to draft a guy with a top 5 pick who you compare to Alex Smith?

Ah, shifting to the "You don't get it so I'm taking the high road now" tactic. I'll give it a 5.7/10.

Stop it. You know perfectly well that you were saying what I quoted with some insinuation that being sure that the "only" (your bolded word) explanation is <x> doesn't really make sense. It's like some weird ass passive-aggressive flanking maneuver. Just bypass that nonsense and say you don't really buy it.

If nobody is getting direct info from people inside the Commanders organization (and they've admitted this) then what other conclusion is there? They're either just giving their opinion or they're reporting on the opinions of others who are not in the Commanders organization and not involved in the decision making process.

Yes, none of these guys are actually getting inside info from people who are par of the decision process for this team. They've admitted it.

I think it's about time to revive the "Taken out of context" thread.

There are no signs of anything from anyone involved in the process. The "signs" you're talking about are sports writers and social media people who either express their opinion or say what they've "heard" about those guys from some random sources who may or may not actually be with other teams but who most certainly have nothing to do with the Commanders FO.

This is what I was thinking as well. I agree that it's likely the opposite. Fixing a purely physical thing is just a matter of drilling over and over until it's muscle memory. Something mental is going to take a much more broad effort because it's basically changing a person's thinking process.

I know you weren't necessarily talking about me specifically, but I just wanted to say that I don't think the ex-QBs or ex-players who prefer Daniels are morons. I just don't think they should get any super extra special weight added to their opinions, because they've all completely whiffed on QBs in the past plenty of times. So I listen to them, I like hearing their breakdowns, but I don't necessarily give their specific predictions for success any more credence than anyone else.

There's also the shiny object effect. Running QBs are shiny objects that generate lots of oohs and ahhs, so they tend to get hype. Also, when they're new to the scene (in this case where Maye has mostly been considered a top 5 lock for 2 years now and Daniels basically came out of nowhere) it just adds that much more novelty and hype. Not saying Daniels isn't worth a high pick, just that there are other effects at play than just his skill set.

They aren't really a big deal, because they get just as much wrong as pretty much any fan on a message board. Are they more knowledgeable in general than most fans? Sure. Do they have more experience? Of course. Are they better at breaking down film? Usually. But it doesn't matter, because at the end of the day they whiff on their picks just as much as anyone else. Add: You forgot J.T. O'Sullivan. He has Maye as his 5th or 6th QB. He also ranked Fields above Lawrence and Had Herbert 5 spots below Jake Fromm.

We have no clue what actual NFL team scouts think. You're talking about social media and sports media people, who are mostly entertainers and in need of clicks and views.

I don't think it's cool. It shows a curve, which is bull**** because the earth is flat. This is NASA up to their same old world domination control tricks and you sheep just keep falling for it.

I think Reid is a really good talent evaluator, but this also could be an indication that he's outstanding at designing his offensive system around the strengths of whatever QB he has.

So if our rookie QB doesn't have a historically good rookie season then we missed with the pick?

So you're saying that anyone who doesn't expect our rookie QB to come in and have one of the single greatest rookie seasons in NFL history is setting a "low bar"? I think it may be the other way around and you're setting an overly high bar.

He wasn't sacked a lot. Because he wasn't pressured a lot. But when he was pressured, he was sacked at a rate that is, historically, a big red flag. You can try to come up with whatever rationalizations you want, but at the end of the day that number has been a pretty sticky indicator for QBs when going from college to the NFL. Sure, Daniels could be some huge outlier there, ala Burrow, but it probably isn't likely considering the rest of the QB company in that category.