Ok, so based on the discussion about Sam's Octoberfest, I decided to give it another shot. I like it, not as much as the Winter Lager, it's definitely good and I figured out what it is that kinda quicked me about it the last time I tried it, it's the slight soapy taste at the finish that doesn't sit right in my mouth, that doesn't mean I will stop drinking it, but it knocks it out of my top choices category.