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If Trent and Scherff comes back which seems according to some a possibility the fat boy situation might not be too bad. Their O line was ranked 13th this year according to PFF without Trent. I am a big fan of building through the trenches and that also includes the D line. Young IMO can make the D line special. Right now the D line is good but it hasn't been playing special yet. There are some parallels to our situation and the SF one IMO. SF had some big time defensive tackles but that wasn't translating to a big time D line or defense. they added Bosa and things dramatically changed. I think Chase can tip the balance, too.

I gather you mean it in a joking way but yeah I can see it. That dude is so petty and vindictive I can see Bruce doing just that.

Scot weighs in. He had a good 2015 draft, mediocre 2016 draft. Not terrible as for pass rushers, without using a first round pick -- Preston Smith, Matt Ionnaidis

This is a good watch, it's not long, Urban breaking down Chase Young. He talks about how he can contort his body, and his bend, few wasted steps, stop and go ability is as good as he's ever seen.

good interview

Good succinct explanation of how he can potentially help everyone on the D line https://www.buckeyextra.com/sports/20191031/ohio-state-fans-left-to-wonder-what-might-have-been-if-defensive-ends-chase-young-and-nick-bosa-had-played-together-for-full-season The challenge of blocking a Bosa-Young pairing would involve a numbers game. Perry thinks teams could only realistically double-team one of them, leaving the other in a 1-on-1 matchup against an offensive tackle. If they double-teamed both, it likely meant their offense was using as many as seven of the 11 offensive players as blockers, with only three possible pass catchers. “It’s a little bit of chess,” Perry said. And a game that didn’t favor offensive coordinators. “If you have one (elite) pass rusher, then you can do a lot of rollouts and (bootlegs) and get to the opposite side of the field, away from that pass rusher,” Brugler said. “You can scheme different things. But when you’ve got two of those guys, it just becomes much, much tougher.”

He’s really athletic,” Harbaugh said on his radio show this week. “He’s one of the best pass rushers I’ve seen in the college game in quite some time. Physical in the run. Can take on blocks, can also shrink the edge and athletic enough to get penetration, flow down the line of scrimmage.” How Michigan will try to neutralize Young may be among the most interesting chess moves in the game. The tackles, Jon Runyan and Jalen Mayfield, will need help. The tight ends will be asked to assist and perhaps fullback Ben Mason plays a bigger role. “That’s one thing I’ll probably emphasize this week in terms of preparing for this ball game,” tight end Nick Eubanks said earlier this week. “We’ll try to prevent him from getting back there.” Giving Michigan quarterback Shea Patterson time to work will be critical against the Buckeyes defense, ranked No. 1 nationally, allowing an average 217.4 yards. They’re No. 1 in passing yards allowed (126.2) and scoring (10.5 points) and fifth against the run (91.2). It all starts with Young. “He’s a game-changer,” said Patterson, unbeaten the last two years at Michigan Stadium. “You’ve got to pay attention to him every single snap. Sometimes he’s capable of doing whatever he wants. A lot of respect for him and what he’s done. https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2019/11/29/wolverines-plot-stop-buckeyes-game-changer-defensive-end-chase-young/4331111002/

Why ‘game-wrecker’ Chase Young can instantly transform Giants Urban Meyer has known Chase Young since his sophomore year of high school and coached him at Ohio State. So let’s start with him: “I expect him to have a similar impact as the Bosas. He will become one of the best in the NFL.” Meyer coached Joey Bosa and Nick Bosa: “They’re very similar as far as being a hard worker and good person and teammate. Chase Young may be the most naturally gifted of all three. He has an incredible gift of size, speed and athleticism. Big men rarely can flip their hips as well as Chase. He can turn on a 90-degree angle.” Dwayne Haskins played with Chase Young at Ohio State so let’s hear from him: “He’s like one of those game-wrecker, game-breaker Khalil Mack-type of players where you’d have to be responsible for him in a game, if not he will disrupt the game.” On and on it goes. ...“Just a game-wrecker,” ESPN “College GameDay” analyst Kirk Herbstreit told Serby Says. “He’s a complete player. For a big man, he’s as good of a pass rusher as I’ve seen. He not just looking for a knockout shot, he’s aware enough to try to get the ball dislodged and get a turnover. He’s as good as I’ve seen in a long time come out as a pass rusher.” Here’s why: “He’s a legitimate 6-5, 260 pounds, and yet he runs like a safety,” Herbstreit said. “Beyond his physical attributes, I just think his knowledge now, of knowing how to attack an offensive tackle, that’s the thing that I would say has taken him to kind of a different stratosphere in the last year. He’s a great example of why guys stick around and play college football. Whoever gets him, they’re getting a guy that can step right in, very similar to what Joey and Nick Bosa have done, step right in and they’re ready to contribute and be a dominant player.” Hall of Fame NFL executive Gil Brandt has seen them all. “He has great initial quickness,” Brandt said. “When they time him in the 40, he’ll probably run 1.50 10-yard, which is great quickness. I think he has great ability to change direction. I really don’t see any weakness in him that I know of. I think he’s a can’t-miss player, and potential Pro Bowler. Could possibly be a first-year Pro Bowler.” Former Jets GM Mike Tannenbaum is similarly impressed. “He is a prototypical defensive end who has physical dominant traits similar to Jadeveon Clowney,” Tannenbaum said. “Really good lower-body flexibility, great motor and can immediately impact the game. He is incredibly disruptive.” ...NFL Network analyst Brian Baldinger is convinced Young will make an immediate impact as a rookie. “I think you can do a lot of things with him, I think you can play him on the right side, left side, stand him up, put him down,” Baldinger said. “I think he’s got a lot of flexibility like that, which is OK, it’s not necessary. But I just think that when he turns the corner, he looks like a real thoroughbred turning the corner. And that’s really what you need, because the sacks will come. But you need a guy that can just continually collapse the pocket, that can just make the quarterback nervous and can make him move his feet, and make you go chip him, to slide to him, to affect the way your protections get set up.” Baldinger can see Young changing the culture of a defensive line and defense the way Nick Bosa has for the 49ers. “I played with Reggie White, he just made the difference. … I played with Randy White, he just made the difference on the defensive line,” Baldinger said. “You could tell when they were there, when they weren’t there. And I just think the Giants need that guy on defense to turn this thing around.” ESPN commentator Paul Finebaum sounded like Giants GM Dave Gettleman talking about Saquon Barkley. “Easily the best player in college football,” Finebaum said. “Absolutely dynamic. Reminds me a lot of Khalil Mack. I believe he is a generational player.” Herbstreit applauds Ohio State associate head coach/defensive line coach Larry Johnson for Young’s development. Asked to compare Young to the Bosa Bros., Herbstreit said, “You almost look at Chase as a combination of the two. He’s not that low center of gravity, but he still has amazing bend.” Young’s stop of Penn State running back Miles Sanders last season with 82 seconds left at the Ohio State 43 still stands out to Haskins. “Fourth-and-5 versus Penn State at Beaver Stadium to win the game,” Haskins said. “Penn State has the ball, driving to try to win the game and he seals the game on a fourth-and-5. “Great dude,” Haskins said. “Very funny personality, has a great family, and football means a lot to him.” https://nypost.com/2019/12/15/why-game-wrecker-chase-young-can-instantly-transform-giants/

Another mock I like 😀 https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2868979-2020-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-post-regular-season-predictions?share=twitter#slide2 2. Washington Redskins 2 OF 34 Paul Sancya/Associated Press The Pick: EDGE Chase Young, Ohio State Congratulations to whomever is running the Washington Redskins next season. You get to pair Chase Young with Montez Sweat at pass-rusher, already have a good young quarterback in Dwayne Haskins and boast a player who looks like a potentially dominant wide receiver in Terry McLaurin. The rebuild isn’t done in Washington. A new head coach is still needed, and direction from ownership and the front office will determine many of the team’s decisions. But there’s promise here, and creating one of the NFL’s best young rushing duos is a great first step. Young is an easy selection for owner Daniel Snyder and Co. given his athleticism and production, and you can even add that he’s a local guy as he played high school football in nearby Hyattsville, Maryland. The Redskins have made a lot of mistakes in the last 30 years. This won’t be one of them.

Thanks but no disconnect. I understood where you were at. I flat out repeated your position about doing it in a trade down. I am cool with that. I know you like Young better. I just used your post that mentioned James to launch my infatuation with Young -- I did an apples to apples because years back it would be tough to find someone here more infatuated with James than me.

I got no issue with you pushing Simmons so this is me purely launching my point about Young to play off of your point about James. I am ok with getting Simmons in a trade down as you've expressed. I am probably the Godfather of the Derwin James love fest back in the day on the draft thread and I whined to no end when we didn't take him in that draft. 😀 I'd even say Simmons will likely be slightly better than James. Yet, to me I'd easily take Chase Young over Simmons. As much as I've touted having a hybrid type of player in today's NFL, I still value a pass rusher as at least a peg higher as to it being a more valuable position. And I also think Young is a distinctly better player. I get some who haven't watched most of Chase's games but tuned in recently are disappointed that he didn't kill it last weekend among other things. But IMO he was still good against Clemson. Heck I've watched a bunch of Simmons games and he had a few I watched where he really didn't make any significant plays. It happens to every player. Heck K. Mack didn't have a sack in half of his games. Chandler Jones who had a monster season had 4 games with no sacks. The thing that got me watching Chase Young was how much of an impact he makes even when he doesn't make sacks. Here and there I've watched the coaches tape on the D line and Kerrigan rarely gets doubled teamed. Kerrigan isn't a threat on many plays. Yes, he's a good player and makes sacks. But he isn't like Chase where he's disruptive a lot where the opposing offense has to account for him. Chase IMO would make everyone on the D line better. Cooley echoed a similar point recently saying something to the effect about how Chase effects the offense on so many plays -- sack or no sack. Chase has gaudy stats. But its not the stats that blew me away about him - its that you got to game plan against that dude and brings pressure even if he doesn't always close in on the sack.

Just in case Dan is fishing on this thread for their next GM...😀 Mine would be: 1. Chase Young 2a, 2b. 2c. I. Simmons, J. Okudah, Ceedee Lamb 5. Jerry Jeudy Derrick Brown would be in that group, ditto Tua too but we don't need another DT or QB Precombine here's what I think might happen in the top 5 1. Burrow 2. Young 3. D. Brown 4. A. Thomas 5. Tua 1. Bengals Joe Burrow QB, LSU After the show Joe Burrow put on against Oklahoma in the Fiesta Bowl, is there any doubt left whether or not this is the pick for the Cincinnati Bengals? Burrow's magical season culminates in early January with a chance at a National Championship — yet the damage is already done to the rest of the NFL draft pool in 2020. Burrow is a top-shelf quarterback prospect and will provide the Bengals with a chance to usher in a new era. 2. Redskins Chase Young EDGE, Ohio State Sure, the Washington Redskins just drafted Montez Sweat. But for as good as Sweat's off-season circuit was in 2019 and his play in 2018 at Mississippi State, well, he's no Chase Young. This selection is a best-player-available call and should be an absolute no brainer for Washington. This team needs difference makers, first and foremost, and Young is that. 3. Lions Jeffrey Okudah CB, Ohio State The Detroit Lions are in a bit of a weird spot. They've come out of left field to secure the third-overall pick without really having a clear need that would match the value of it. In a perfect world, Detroit finds a trade partner who is hungry for another quarterback and picks up some extra selections. But if they stay put, the value of Ohio State’s Jeffrey Okudah feels the most appropriate — playing him across from Darius Slay brings an exciting cover combo in Detroit. 4. Giants Andrew Thomas OT, Georgia The New York Giants’ offensive line is constructed to punch the opposition in the mouth — no offensive linemen in the 2020 draft does that quite as well as Andrew Thomas. He is a powerful road grader in the run game who would actually pair quite well with the strength of Daniel Jones as a passer as well as the blindside tackle. 5. Dolphins Tua Tagovailoa QB, Alabama The Miami Dolphins set out this season to position themselves to draft a QB. The pick of Tua Tagovailoa at this point brings a bit more risk than what Burrow would have, but this is no consolation prize. Tagovailoa is a special talent and the presence of Ryan Fitzpatrick under contract in Miami affords the team the chance to redshirt Tagovailoa as the Dolphins continues to build out the rest of their roster.

1. CINCINNATI BENGALS — QB JOE BURROW, LSU With the Bengals officially having locked up the first overall pick in the draft, get used to seeing Burrow's name here because it isn't changing from now until draft day. His 94.3 overall grade is the highest we've ever seen from an SEC quarterback. 2. WASHINGTON REDSKINS — EDGE CHASE YOUNG, OHIO STATE If positional value didn't matter, Young would be the No. 1 overall pick. There's not a box he doesn't currently check at the position, and even better, he's seen his grade improve every single year at Ohio State. 3. DETROIT LIONS — CB JEFFREY OKUDAH, OHIO STATE Okudah isn't as much of a sure thing as Young, but he similarly checks pretty much every box you want to see at the position. Okudah hasn't allowed 50 or more yards in any single game this season. 4. NEW YORK GIANTS — OT JEDRICK WILLS, ALABAMA Wills has been a rocketship up draft boards this season — and for good reason. Wills improved by leaps and bounds, even as the season went along. He allowed 11 pressures all season but only one in his last five games. 5. MIAMI DOLPHINS — QB TUA TAGOVAILOA, ALABAMA The hip injury is a serious concern, but it's not as if the Dolphins need Tua to see the field day one. Tagovailoa had only 24 turnover-worthy plays in his entire college career. 6. LOS ANGELES CHARGERS — OT ANDREW THOMAS, GEORGIA Thomas is the rare offensive lineman who's started since his true freshman year yet never really played bad football. He earned a 76.7 pass-blocking grade as a true freshman for Georgia. 7. CAROLINA PANTHERS — EDGE A.J. EPENESA, IOWA The Panthers just drafted edge last season, but Epenesa is a different breed than Brian Burns. Epenesa is more than comfortable kicking inside and did so on 92 snaps at Iowa this season. 8. ARIZONA CARDINALS — OT TRISTAN WIRFS, IOWA Wirfs only allowed multiple pressures in two games this season, and he only allowed one total pressure over his last six games. That's indicative of just how far he's come after earning a 52.9 pass-blocking grade as a true freshman. 9. JACKSONVILLE JAGUARS — DI DERRICK BROWN, AUBURN Brown is in the conversation for being the most powerful defensive lineman in college football. He didn't miss a single tackle on 42 attempts all season and had a 90.6 pass-rushing grade. © Kevin Jairaj-USA TODAY Sports 10. CLEVELAND BROWNS — WR CEEDEE LAMB, OKLAHOMA Lamb's blend of size and production as an outside receiver may very well push him above Jeudy come draft day. It's an insanely deep receiver class, but Lamb's a different breed. He's broken an absurd 25 tackles on 58 catches this season.

Sure, I agree, just having some fun with how Cerrato would admit that Portis had a pipeline to them as for the draft back in the day

I don't know about Haskins making the call but I trust Portis to make it. According to him he's the one who tipped the balance for them to take Taylor over Winslow.

The thing is when they are playing 3-4...typically one of the two LBs are playing coverage otherwise you got 5 guys rushing every time just about when they play 3-4. So either find edge LBs in the 3-4 who can cover or go full bore 4-3. Guys like Cooley say this is a defense set for a 4-3 not a 3-4. I get we are mostly in a 4-3 but the 30% or so time when they pay 3-4 your edge guys have to drop into coverage on occasion.