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  1. thesubmittedone

    OLD development: Trent Williams wants to be traded/released

    The Athletic Training Staff actually includes folks who are medically trained. They aren’t just random dudes. Larry Hess himself has a Master’s degree in Physical Therapy which is an allied health profession. So he carries with him some level of authority in terms of diagnosis.
  2. thesubmittedone

    OLD development: Trent Williams wants to be traded/released

    I don’t know how else to spell it out for you. I mean, it’s as clear as it gets. The Athletic Training Staff is often the first line of diagnosis for players. They also are where players rehabilitate. One of their main responsibilities is to direct players to the proper specialists within the Medical Staff as necessary. In the case of Trent, what virtually every reporter who has reported on it has said, is that Trent was told, by the Athletic Training Staff, that his cyst wasn’t a big deal and to wait until the end of season to get it checked out. Now, that in and of itself might not seem like a big deal, but we don’t know exactly what else he’s pissed about that they’ve done in the past, nor do we know if it’s just related to things they’ve told him and not other players he’s witnessed. Hence, why Moses said what he said. This absolutely ties EXCLUSIVELY into the responsibilities of the Athletic Training Staff and no one else. None of the above is hard to grasp. None. All I did was delineate the various arms of the operation regarding player health. That’s all. All I said was the focus of whatever issue the players have is on ONE of these arms; the Athletic Training Staff. One of the reasons I’m doing this is so the other two arms (Medical and S&C) aren’t targeted unnecessarily and/or unfairly by fans. It’s why I used @JSSkinz post as a launching point, since he was saying the Doctors in the Medical Staff all seem very credible and reputable (which they are). This is all verifiable and, furthermore, obvious due to the specific responsibilities of the Athletic Training Staff versus the other two arms. He’s not going to be pissed at Strength and Conditioning regarding his cyst or whatever else happened injury-wise because all they do is work with them in the weight room and on their athleticism. They, like the rest of the coaching staff, get the thumbs up from the Athletic Trainers with regards to what they can work on. We don’t know much about the Doctors within the Medical staff because of the inherent confidentiality there, but it’s unlikely he’s pissed at them since they’re the ones who eventually diagnosed him correctly. Or he simply never spoke with them and it was his own council that told him. But, again, we don’t know much there. The other players who’ve actually come out with any problem have directed their angst at issues that directly correspond to what the Athletic Trainers do. Not Strength and Conditioning. Not the Doctors from INOVA or James Andrews. I don’t know how else to put it, man. You’re arguing against yourself. This isn’t hard, but you simply can’t handle anything other than glowing praise of this wonderful organization Dan and Bruce has put together, so you’ll probably respond to this repeating the same incoherent rhetoric. God help me for daring to post my once every two months post.
  3. thesubmittedone

    OLD development: Trent Williams wants to be traded/released

    See the portion of your post I bolded? Therein lies the issue. @Califan007 preemptively tried to explain your confusion to you to help lessen the blow, but you’re such a condescending snarky shark that I feel the need to hit you hard on it anyway. Read what I posted again about the responsibilities of the Training Staff. Here, I’ll make it easy for you, I’ll even bold the parts you need to focus on: You see, within that post you had the answers to any of your questions. But instead of actually attempting to comprehend what I wrote, you saw my username, had your usual heart attack because I’m not amongst those who conflate and equate ownership and his top executive with being a Skins fan, and assumed it was some direct challenge to the world you want to live in about them (not judging). Don’t worry, I’ll go back to my quiet place (because contrary to how you’ve labeled many of us, I don’t actually enjoy the utter distrust that I have in them so I’d rather not spell it out every chance I get) and you can go back to fighting the good fight.
  4. thesubmittedone

    OLD development: Trent Williams wants to be traded/released

    I think this is as good a post as any to launch into something that most of us (including myself) either don’t know or forget. There are three arms, if you will, of the entire operation. You have the Strength and Conditioning Staff who works with the players in the weight room and focuses on making them the best versions of themselves athletically. This staff is under the purview of the Head Coach. You then have the Medical Staff which consists of the actual Doctors and Surgeons who perform operations on the players. In the case of the Skins, that’s the Doctors from INOVA as well as James Andrews. Finally, you have the Athletic Training Staff lead by Larry Hess. These guys are the ones who deal with the rehabilitation of players and are the main line of communication between the Medical staff as well as the Coaching staff. By all accounts, Trent’s problem (as well as many other players) is with the Athletic Training Staff. That’s where coaches get the thumbs up or down about playing players or where players go first before being directed to the specialists within the Medical Staff. Our top local beat reporters have essentially all stated this. They’ve also stated that they’ve never heard any players speak other than glowingly about the Strength and Conditioning Staff. They don’t say much about the Medical Staff because of confidentiality, of course, so they can’t say either way on that. But they definitely have heard from numerous players that they have a major problem with the Athletic Trainers. That’s the known issue and there is no doubt in that. Hopefully that helps clear it up a bit, but I’m sure we’ll all forget again in 5 minutes.
  5. thesubmittedone

    #PrayforRadyn - Derrius Guice related

    Heartbreaking. Mod directive: Please keep this as a thread dedicated to Radyn and offering condolences to his family, nothing political as can occur considering the cause of death. Take that to the Tailgate if you’d like to speak on that, thanks.
  6. thesubmittedone

    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    That’s what you got from that? See, I can gif like you bro. Yeah, he definitely did in the 2nd half of that game when they started blitzing up the middle, which I went over in my post here: Nonetheless, he was more effective at handling interior pressure starting right about that 2nd half against Maryland through Michigan, Northwestern and then Washington until that 2nd half. So, like I said in that post, my hope is that it was more of a “letting off the gas” thing than it was Haskins really regressing there again. The reason I have that hope is it did seem like the entire Ohio State team relaxed once they were up big in that game. Who knows, though, it’s definitely a legitimate question. But that is why I’m not going to mention that 2nd half against Washington every time I talk about Haskins’ improvement with interior pressure. It’s a qualifier I feel is unnecessary since the improvement was real to my eyes and occurred over a longer period of game time, if that makes sense. It could end up as further evidence he just sucks at it and that improvement was due to something else that was more anomalous than anything, so maybe I’m wrong to downplay it. But that’s how I felt after I had watched the entire season chronologically without much background noise as to what happened. That last half just felt more like the exception to his improvement with interior pressure than the other way around. It’s funny, because Daniel Jones will absolutely NEED good tackles if he’s going to survive. My God was he particularly bad at sensing edge pressure. Like I’ve stated before, he might bust on that alone.
  7. thesubmittedone

    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    Sorry I didn't get back to you on this until now, been busy. To answer your question... I don't know right now, honestly. I don't think anyone can really know right now. Here's what I do know: 1) Haskins absolutely excelled at sensing edge pressure in college. He was really, really good at it. Like, it's a severely underrated aspect of his game since the vast majority of people talk about his arm talent when praising him and not that. But will that translate to the NFL where everything happens that much faster? I don't know. 2) He wasn't good at all handling interior pressure the vast majority of the season (and that's what I think the scouts who harp on that are exclusively focusing on)... but something did change for him there right around the Maryland game (which said scouts seem to ignore). To my eyes, it was literally the 2nd half of Maryland where you could see the change. What I find fascinating is that the MD game is where Ohio State started having him run the ball more... so my amateur opinion is that the contact he got from those runs prepared him more, or "toughened him up" so to speak, and made him less "panicky" when he got pressured up the middle. Total speculation on my end. But he started actually manipulating the pocket more and even made some nice throws outside of the pocket when he had to, which is something he just wasn't doing previous to that. So, first, the question is what actually translates from the above to the NFL? I'm of the mind that, normally, whatever you excelled at in college is going to take, at the very least, a slight hit as you adjust to the NFL's pace (more often than not it's a big hit). And it might never improve after that, either. So making personnel decisions right now based off of the above is difficult in my mind. There is going to be a learning curve for Haskins and even if his sense of edge pressure does translate, it might be a while before we really see it. Secondly, the question is whether or not the improvement he made towards the end of the season in terms of handling interior pressure, manipulating the pocket better, and being more accurate outside of the pocket (versus just panicking and not really looking down the field) continues to occur. Does he regress there? Is there something fundamentally wrong about his feet that ends up making it impossible for him to ever really get good at that? That might be the case, but then does he start using his size to his advantage more and have guys bounce off of him (something he, unfortunately, didn't do in college much if at all)? There are many ways this can go. But let's just say, for argument's sake, that what he excelled at in terms of sensing edge pressure translates and he just never improves much at handling interior pressure. Then, yes, it is absolutely necessary for Bruce to prioritize the interior Oline and place less emphasis on the Tackle position. This is actually what the Saints did when they first brought in Drew Brees. It's not the end of the world if Haskins never improves there so long as you build and manage resources properly (something we have been awful at under Bruce). We'll start to see the signs during training camp and then into the preseason of what translated and what hasn't. And even then the questions will remain since, if he looks good, it'll likely be against lesser opponents and, if he doesn't, it might be because he's thinking too much trying to figure out a new offense. So it'll be hard to gauge on our end either way... but that's why the guys in charge of personnel get paid the big bucks, they've got to sift through all of that and figure it out quick. it's really going to be fascinating. This isn't directed at you... but this goes back to what I constantly harp on in terms of roster construction and how important the synergy is. It's why I'm so hard on Bruce. People think personnel acquisition is just about acquiring talent. That's such a ridiculously narrow view of it, it's no wonder why coaching gets so intensely focused in on instead. It's the easiest surface-level target. The owners and their upper-level management hires are shielded by them simply by default. There is this dance involved with resource management and depth that is incredibly intricate and requires expertise beyond what most laymen often consider. How positional groups benefit from each other, how players within those positional groups benefit each other, what kind of players and type of skill sets are needed to complete a positional group, how important it is to get as much multi-dimensional depth as possible so they can fit into multiple roles were anyone to get hurt, etc... A fun, hyperbolic but nonetheless telling, example of this would be, say, acquiring a bunch of Desean Jackson's at WR while having a large, power-blocking Oline with speedy RBs who like to get outside and, finally, a QB with an average arm but accurate in the short to intermediate game. Let's assume they all have that name like Djax and are known to be productive. That'd be "acquiring talent", right? No one is going to say the individual WRs aren't uber talented, or those individual Olinemen stink, or the speedy RBs can't play, or that QB isn't franchise material. But then imagine how limiting that's going to be for an offensive scheme? How easy it'll be for defensive coordinators to deal with (play your Safeties super deep and stack the middle against the run since you know they can't block outside). Ignorant fan who has little to no idea about the one-dimensional nature of the personnel then trashes offensive coach who was given these tools. Claims of "he can't adjust or adapt" are thrown out there with ease while completely omitting just how impossible it is to do so when, were you to play to the strengths of your WRs, you'd be giving D coordinators a simple solution to take them away with a QB who struggles to get the ball out that far that quickly. Were you to play to the strength of your RBs, you'd be wasting the skill sets of your Oline while your WRs fail to help on the outside. Were you to play to the strengths of your Oline, you'd be wasting the skill set of your RBs and WRs. There are a million permutations of the above that happen all the time in the NFL. The executive who understands all of this recognizes these things and assembles talent that feed off of each other all while managing resources at a high level with the cap and draft picks. This is what the Redskins under Snyder have missed on during his entire tenure. Either that gets fixed or we're going to stay on the cycle of coaching changes (whether or not they’re “patient” with them) that simply don't matter in the long run. So back to the Trent/Scherff/outside or interior Oline thing. If Haskins's skill set translates, does Bruce prioritize spending on Trent (or just generally spending high on Tackles as is the norm), thus making the resources available for interior Oline tighter? Let's say we draft an elite college tackle... no one will say that isn't "acquiring talent", but is it assembling talent that meshes within a positional group and elevates the other's skill sets dependent on said positional group? Nope. But here's what will definitely happen... the coaches will get trashed for it. Probably the QB, too. And on and on we go.
  8. thesubmittedone

    Welcome to the Redskins Dwayne Haskins QB Ohio State

    I don't know why I'm just posting this now, but I figure what the heck. Some time within the first week of May I started to watch the 2018 Ohio State season chronologically. I haven't been as involved in anything football-related as I normally am this past year, so I came to it knowing next to nothing about what went down or how Haskins is perceived, which I think really gave me as unbiased an eye as I've ever had watching a player. The following are the bits and pieces of a private discussion I had starting around May 11th and ending on May 15th regarding what I saw as I went through it... yeah, I know, why didn't I just post it then and why now? Not sure, really, but I think it might be interesting for anyone who wants to see how it looks from the perspective of someone going through the season as if he's "in the moment" and without much of any outside noise prejudicing the observations. I also started doing a comparison with Daniel Jones shortly after which I thought might interest some of you: A day later: A few days later: Following day: In response to being told about Jones's poor accuracy stats in throws that are 10+: In response to being told about the complaints regarding Jones during the Senior Bowl with fumbles lost as well as his propensity for sacks and INTs in general: In response to bringing Haskins back into the conversation again: In response to Jones's ability to make plays on the move: So that's that. Hope someone enjoyed this chronicle and there aren't too many of you rolling your eyes at me for posting all this now and seemingly out of nowhere. Oh, and I do want to point out that I never finished Daniel Jones's season. I stopped there because it looked like, from what the person I was discussing all this with said, he still was largely the same guy in the Senior Bowl that I saw after the first 4 games he started in (as mentioned above, he missed two games early on). Nonetheless, my point does stand that it might be an unfair evaluation of Jones. Either way, I'm pretty excited about Haskins as a prospect. The issues people talk about are all there, and that's why he fell to 15... but what I'm excited about is that not only are they correctable, but he actually improved upon them during the season and in the biggest moments at that. That's really my biggest takeaway.
  9. thesubmittedone

    OLD development: Trent Williams wants to be traded/released

    So if a player hasn’t cooperated with them once or twice, it’s ok if they poison them with an incorrect drug prescription? Or if they just half-ass a surgery? Or if they tell them everything is fine when it isn’t and it gets worse? I mean, at what point, in your mind, is it not hypocritical to take issue with something the medical staff has done? It’s that simple to you? He hasn’t cooperated therefore anything they do should be acceptable and he can’t have any problem with it? The dude had something terrifying happen with his friggin head for God’s sake. He’s human. You’re mad that he’s upset? Geez. I mean, if you said you just don’t like the way he’s handling it and it should’ve stayed in house, I could get that train of thought (though we don’t know how much of it was handled behind closed doors and what, if anything, caused the tipping point). I’m moving on from this now. You can have the last word on it. As for what’s going on... I’m listening to John Keim’s most recent podcast right now. He and Tarik Al-Bashir spell it out really well. Tarik specifically mentioned something that has to do with what I’ve been going on about for years regarding fans, as is their norm, attacking the coaching staff for everything when often times it’s something deeper organizationally. He said that it’s all really divided into three different parts. You’ve got the strength and conditioning guys lead by Chad Englehart. You’ve got the athletic training staff ran by Larry Hess. And then you’ve got the medical staff that is headed by doctors like James Andrews and Robin West. Tarik states that Chad does a great job and that he’s heard nothing but good things from the players regarding strength and conditioning (John chimes in and says it’s been unanimous in terms of players being pleased with them). As for the athletic training staff headed by Larry Hess, he said, “not so much”, to which John subtly adds, “right”. And, finally, regarding the medical staff, they both said they have zero access to them and didn’t mention what, if anything, the players have said. I’ve made multiple posts regarding this when fans have attacked the strength and conditioning staff (usually as a means of trashing Jay), that it’s likely an organizational issue and not a coaching one (per the norm). I’ve specifically pointed at Larry Hess who’s been here forever. I honestly didn’t think the medical staff themselves would be an issue, but here we are. So I wasn’t surprised to hear John and Tarik affirm this at all. It’s how I’ve felt for a while now. To Dan’s credit, and Tarik mentioned this, he hasn’t necessarily been cheap about addressing it. But it doesn’t seem like he has been effective with where he’s put his money. I don’t know what the relationship with INOVA entails, either... I know Dr. West is a part of that. There is something off about it all, though. The amount of injuries, the amount of players in the past who’ve complained, and now one of our biggest leaders... it’s definitely worrisome.
  10. thesubmittedone

    OLD development: Trent Williams wants to be traded/released

    No, he can’t. If they don’t give their okay to the coaches, they’re not allowed to play them. That’s how this works. If you’re insinuating that Trent and others constantly hide their injuries and, therefore, the medical staff isn’t responsible... well, I think that’s frankly absurd, but even were that to be the case I’d still hold them somewhat accountable because they should have a system in place that makes it difficult for players to do so. I don’t get what you’re saying here. Do you think a player can just tell the team doctors, “I want to play” and they just HAVE to abide? That is not how it works. The medical staff tells the coaches which players can actually go and which ones can’t. They implemented that system precisely as a means to avoid players hiding it, like I mentioned above. And if that's happening with other injuries within our own team, then they should follow suit and do what it takes to prevent that. More than that, really, the NFL was worried about potential lawsuits erupting from the whole concussions issue. But this is a bad example because concussion-related symptoms can fly under the radar pretty easily. That doesn’t mean the doctors never had final say and the players always could do what they want. I’ve never heard a HC say anything other than that they need the approval of the team doctors to allow an injured player to practice or play.
  11. thesubmittedone

    OLD development: Trent Williams wants to be traded/released

    Well, sure sounds like you are sticking up for them. I agree, players are culpable all the time and it does muddy the waters in terms of how accountable the medical staff can be when players hide things. Nonetheless, I think you're downplaying their role here. They are the ones who give the final "go ahead" or "thumbs up" to the coaches that a player can go. They ultimately have that power and, therefore, responsibility. They can say no to any player no matter how much they beg them or want to play. It's that simple. If the medical staff themselves are that easily influenced, or are giving the go ahead to guys who it shouldn't be given to, that is ultimately on them. Can't have it. "Taking notes from Cousins". My God, you guys are cute. I don't even know what to say to this anti-Kirk-Bruce-Allenitis-infected type of disease currently running through the fanbase. It's too much.
  12. thesubmittedone

    OLD development: Trent Williams wants to be traded/released

    Well, you certainly have succeeded at being difficult, so well done. I personally don't buy the "he was rusty" narrative. I didn't back then and I don't now. A mind like his? Someone who, wherever he goes, is successful at the highest of levels? Nah. Maybe I could buy it initially in 2014 for the first few games, and even if we want to really push it maaaybe I'll buy it for the first season (but I'd argue it was more just the general woes of most coaches starting anew with a bad team)... but Gibbs would knock whatever rust off he had really quickly. Football is football. Pass, run, block, tackle. The differences over time are really incremental and anyone smart enough can adjust. Furthermore, doesn't that fly in the face of the coaches he surrounded himself with? Do you think Gregg Williams was "rusty"? What happened in 2006 when Gregg lead an historically bad defense? Al Saunders was hired off of an extremely successful stint with the Chiefs who had one of the best offense's in the league under him. Was he rusty? There's just no way I can really buy into that. The biggest difference, really, was how different and difficult team-building had become in an ultra-competitive, parity-based system where every team is on a level playing field with limited resources. I believe we got something very close to Gibbs in his prime. He just didn't have Bobby Beathard, was in charge of personnel himself (which is why I don't even agree with you in terms of calling it a "Vinny Cerrato team", because he had final say on personnel as Team President), and struggled because of said structure and the resulting personnel, nothing else. If you really look at this without emotion, if it was anyone other than the Redskins or Gibbs... would you really be calling it "remarkable" in terms of what was accomplished? I mean, we have to think big picture here. One playoff win 4 years that they barely eked out with next to no offense (I believe we broke a record at the time for least amount of offense in a playoff win). Making the playoffs both times were desperation runs that came at the end of the season. Nothing came even remotely close to being easy. Nothing could be sustained for any extended period of time. So, yes, while I agree that Gibbs himself was and is remarkable, and I believe we got that same remarkable Gibbs at Head Coach while he was here, I don't think what was accomplished really was "remarkable" overall as a franchise. And all it does is further provide evidence of my views. HOF-level coaching couldn't overcome everything else.
  13. thesubmittedone

    OLD development: Trent Williams wants to be traded/released

    I am absolutely open to this distribution as being more accurate. I’ve honestly fluctuated myself on it and have been right where you are. Especially with the rules now in place for QBs. Only reason I moved away from putting them as equals is because, in the end, coaches have to coach the entire roster and there’s a lot more of them, lol. But yeah, could go either way. Yup, pretty much.
  14. thesubmittedone

    OLD development: Trent Williams wants to be traded/released

    Mostly speculation on my end, and I hate to do that which is why I haven’t really commented directly on it yet, but based on what Moses said... I think Trent is essentially answering the question of “why all the injuries” for us right now. Basically, it’s a medical staff that is notorious for misdiagnosing player’s ailments and their healing time which then ends up with them suffering worse injuries while playing when they shouldn’t have been. Or not, lol. Just fascinating how this is all coming out like this and the noise is now almost entirely directed at the medical staff. Seems purposeful and intentional.
  15. thesubmittedone

    OLD development: Trent Williams wants to be traded/released

    Outlier. Key word there. And, to be frank, I was hoping to avoid a response like this when I purposely stated things like “a consistent team win-loss record” as well as it being “over an extended period of time”. So, yeah, outlier is an outlier. No one is going to get away with that for any extended period of time. No one. Again, see above. Gibbs 2.0 had an overall losing record and a win percentage of .469. Saying he “guided a team to the playoffs twice” belies just how difficult it was to do so and how quickly we exited said playoffs. Gibbs 2.0 is actually the perfect example of what I’m talking about. It is pretty extraordinary and does show how great he was, as I implied in that post here, but it also shows that even his level of coaching could only do so much: That being said, comparing it to other coaches is really difficult and I don’t agree. Gibbs did have the advantage of having a way more veteran roster built aggressively to “win now” that didn’t require much player development. It’s not apples to apples.