seantaylor=god

Wentz will be successful for us, barring injury. Unfortunately, the injury concerns are absolutely a factor based on his past injuries and reckless play style.

I don’t like what we had to give up, but I like the player. I hope he stays healthy and balls out.

13 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

Anyone else notice that the Bills are the only good team that gave out a 25-30 million AAV contract to a receiver?  And they haven't been good for that long.  That is insane money to spend on a position where even the very best guys in the league only make a big difference 10 snaps a game.

 

Honestly feels like we might be a step behind the two smartest teams in the NFL in GB and KC if we get into a situation where we have to pay Terry 25 million per year, especially since he's not the same caliber as Adams and Hill and Diggs.

The counter argument is that Terry means more to this team than those players to their teams from a leadership perspective. Also, with the cap going up and Terry still never playing with an above average QB, he could very well end up in the Diggs/Adams tier. 

Anyone have any opinions on some OT or OGs that could be in play at 11 or trade down? 
 

I would be cool with a OT prospect to compete at LT, RT and if he can’t beat out the starters possibly playing guard initially. I think we are fine at OT but could be better at LT or RT and depth at OG is poor right now. OL could be upgraded and combined with a stud RB in this class could really help us.
 

34 minutes ago, Going Commando said:

I bet the reason they haven't started working on an extension with Terry is because they are planning to reach on Olave in the first round of this year to use as leverage against Terry in negotiations.

This would piss me off.

I’m hoping the smoke with Olave is as a trade down target. I would hate the pick at 11, and I don’t think he would be BPA at all. 
 

Olave is a route running technician and gets the yards you would expect. He’s not overly physical, he’s not good YAC, he doesn’t break tackles or force missed tackles in the open field (take a look at his numbers it’s not good). He is a #2 WR who will probably be solid but he’s not a top 10 player. I think the comparisons to Terry are asinine; Terry is extremely physical and generates tons of YAC.
 

For me, the only WR at 11 is London. Otherwise, see who is left in the second or later on. 

We can stop wondering who the pick will be…

BACKGROUND: Devin Lloyd was born in Kansas City and grew up in a military family (his father, Joe, was in the Navy for 26 years, and his mother, Ronyta Johnson, also served). He was raised in Kansas City by his mother before moving to Dallas and then to southern California to live with his father. Lloyd focused on basketball growing up before starting to play football in middle school. He attended Otay Ranch High and played three seasons of varsity football, primarily on offense (wide receiver and running back) and special teams (punter). As a junior, Lloyd posted 23 catches for 384 yards and two touchdowns. As a senior captain, he added safety duties to his résumé and earned Second Team All-State honors on defense with 52 tackles, eight interceptions (four in one game) and three defensive touchdowns (two interceptions, one fumble return). Lloyd also had 29 catches for 493 yards and six touchdowns on offense and averaged 37.1 yards per punt. He lettered two seasons on the basketball team.
A three-star safety recruit out of high school.

STRENGTHS: Instantly accelerates and closes the gap with his long strides ... doesn’t lose foot races to the sideline ... quick to key-and-diagnose and make plays in the backfield (totaled 43.0 tackles for loss in 33 games the last three years and ranked No. 2 in the FBS with 22.0 tackles for loss in 2021) ... face-up tackler who pounces on his prey ... allows his long-levered, angular frame work for him ... skilled block-slipper due to his short-area quickness and body control ... scrapes from gap-to-gap and fills with violence ... able to leverage gaps because he arrives before the blocker ... active blitzer with excellent timing and knifing quickness ... very aware in coverage and covers a lot of ground when he drops (moves like a former safety) ... has the fluid lower body to quickly react with the eyes of the quarterback ... high school wide receiver and notched five career interceptions (four as a senior), with three returned for touchdowns ... two-time team captain and described as a “student of the game” by his coaches (Utah head coach Kyle Whittingham: “He watches as much film during the course of a week as anybody we’ve ever had here.”) ... played both the “Rover” and “Mac” linebacker positions in the Utah defense ... saw time on each special teams coverage (523 career snaps) ... durable and productive.
WEAKNESSES: Has done a nice job adding weight to his lanky frame, but lacks ideal bulk for the position ... needs to consistently bring his lower body as a tackler instead of relying on his wrap strength ... his eagerness to make plays will occasionally lead to fly-by missed tackles ... skillfully avoids climbing linemen, but doesn’t have the power to easily shed them once locked up ... his eyes can get caught spending too much time in the backfield ... has room to improve his recognition skills in man coverage.
SUMMARY: A three-year starter at Utah, Lloyd played the “Mac” linebacker position in defensive coordinator Morgan Scalley’s 4-2-5 base scheme where he was asked to do a little bit of everything, including cover and blitz (inside and outside). A high school safety, he morphed into a playmaking linebacker and established himself as one of the best defensive players in the country, leading the team in tackles three consecutive years and becoming just the 10th consensus All-American in school history as a senior. Lloyd plays with speed and suddenness in his movements to weave through traffic in pursuit or change directions and make plays in coverage. He has room to improve his play strength and posture as a take-on player, but he does a great job scraping and sifting with his slippery athleticism and length to make plays at the line of scrimmage. Overall, Lloyd doesn’t have to come off the field with his impressive blend of instincts, chase speed and explosiveness to blitz, play the run and cover. He projects as a scheme-proof NFL starter and a better version of Los Angeles Chargers’ Kenneth Murray.

4 minutes ago, wit33 said:

I think it all can be true relating to Colts. Can get with Ballard and Reich believing Wentz could’ve done more to help Colts last season and okay with getting rid of a top 15 being paid 13% of the cap. 
 

Pretty clear though, if Irsay wanted Wentz to be the QB this upcoming season he would’ve been retained.

Also shows how much goodwill you get from being successful over a few years. Colts get benefit of the doubt and we take criticism. If our records over the years were reversed, it would be viewed the opposite. Also, Matt Ryan willing to go to the Colts based on their success last few years.

Seeing Reich’s comments about how it was unanimous, over and over, was really weird too. Almost like he had marching orders to get people to stop talking about how Irsay wanted him gone.

The Seattle Seahawks Select:

Joshua Paschal, DE, Kentucky

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/joshua-paschal/32005041-5306-8486-93fc-0cae1c9cca7f

Seahawks need a culture builder and leader as they rebuild. Paschal is the only 3-time full season captain in UK history. 
A PG county kid we should all root for.

As a true freshman at Kentucky in 2017, Paschal played in all 13 games with one start (17 tackles, 4.5 for loss with 3.5 sacks) after a strong career at Our Lady of Good Counsel High School in Maryland. Paschal was diagnosed with malignant melanoma in July 2018, undergoing multiple surgeries and a year of immunotherapy treatment on the bottom of his right foot that ended in August 2019. While getting treatment during the 2018 season, he redshirted, playing in three games with one start. Paschal returned to start all 13 games in 2019 (34 tackles, 9.5 for loss with 3.5 sacks, two forced fumbles) and 10 of 11 games played in 2020 (32 tackles, 6.5 for loss). He was a team captain in both seasons. He finished his career on a high note, earning second-team All-SEC and Academic All-American honors while leading the Wildcats with 15.5 tackles for loss, including 5.5 sacks among his 53 total tackles, in 12 starts. Paschal opted out of the team's bowl game to prepare for the NFL draft. -- by Chad Reuter

9 minutes ago, mhd24 said:

The DJ Moore contract should be the template.  Both basically have the same stats coming into an extension.

I bet it’s more though. If I’m Terry’s agent; I say- that’s a nice comp, but is DJ Moore the face of his team and the one modeling the new unis? Is he a respected team captain and locker room leader?

Echoing what others have said if we can’t get a deal in place this summer I’m letting him explore a trade. I’m willing to overpay but can’t be held hostage if he doesn’t want to be here.

1 hour ago, Chump Bailey said:

 

Steelers will happily oblige. Steelers offer their #84 overall in exchange. Just let someone know if you accept.

Seahawks accept the trade.

Anyone concerns from folks about Devin Lloyd’s age? The age and the missed tackles are what makes me hesitant at pick 11. Breakout age and production as a young player appeal to me a lot.

The leadership and alpha qualities people are describing are greatly appealing though.

1 hour ago, Going Commando said:

Is Drake London Polynesian?  He's doing that Polynesian war face that they do and you can see it when his helmet is off.  Never realized he was Polynesian before because his name sounds like an English banker's.

 

I really like London but I do still worry about his speed and how much his offensive role translates to the NFL.  He's got short area quickness and he can explode out his break but it's a little concerning how easy it was for the man coverage to stay in phase on him most of the time.  He was also an absurdly high volume target who didn't run routes from any kind of varied alignments, so most of his workload is just him finding seams in zones and jumping over smaller guys.  His role in the NFL will be nothing like that.  He'll move around and he'll probably be a secondary target in a diverse attack.

 

But the main reason I wouldn't pick him at 11 over someone like Lloyd is he wouldn't be BPA for me in that situation.  And not just that, but the depth of the WR position this year undermine's London's value early in the first.  WR5 this year is Jameson Williams or Treylon Burks.  If Drake London is WR1, then WR1 is roughly = to WR5 in talent and value this year.  But Lloyd is LB1 and LB1 >>> LB3 much less LB5.

I don’t think he’s Polynesian. I think he’s biracial- I saw a photo of him with his parents.

He’s a hell of a player and I’d be happy with him at 11, but you raise a good point about the WR depth. 
 

I think London is going to naturally put on weight as he ages and play more or a bully role as a possession big slot. I have heard the Marques Colstom comparison, which fits to me. 
 

I love the ball skills, YAC and quickness in space, and toughness. I also like that he was absolutely the foundation piece of his offense and had a ton of production. When you’re the guy, everyone knows you’re the guy, and you still produce? That’s special.

Seattle Seahawks are looking to trade picks 229, 152, 153, and 109 (about 140 points on chart) to pick up an additional 3rd rounder after our pick at 76.

I’d love to say it’s strategic, but I’m going to be on a flight and don’t want to have to follow and hold everyone up lol.

With the 40th pick, the Seattle Seahawks select:

Alec Pierce, University of Cincinnati 

With the 41st pick, the Seattle Seahawks select:

Chad Muma, ILB, University of Wyoming 

Damn!

That was literally my pick.

Who is picking?

Can we update the front page or at least say who Minnesota picked? Thanks.

Willis is gone- I picked him already.

35 minutes ago, bowhunter said:

So the  LB Alexander Johnson situation kinda reminds me of one of our own. A fiercely competitive baller who initially made his way as a ST player,  wasn't given his chance to shine until after a few seasons, and was basically taken for granted. Missed by the team but never given the paycheck his play deserved. Yes, I'm talking about our own Alexander, 'Zo.  I think I like everything I've read on this guy, and even though a ripe old veteran at age 30, has a lot of ball left to play. Bring him in

Agreed.

I love undrafted guys who begin their career on ST because they aren’t seen as good enough players. NFL evaluator groupthink and bias means lots of teams never want to give them a chance even when they look like they can play. 

4 hours ago, RWJ said:

Couldn't do it, Mark.  When you draft a player you want to be sure he is the real thing.  Terry M. was a 3rd round pick that has produced and is the best player on our team.  There is no giving when your drafting a player.  We know what we have in Terry.  We must extend him and pay him accordingly.  

Agree. The whole point of the draft is to find great players who can be team leaders and produce at a high level. I want to keep him even if we have to pay market rates.

We are slow playing both MLB and TE. I bet we sign some nice vets after the draft.

During the actual draft 2-3 QBs are going in the top 10, whether trade or otherwise, IMO.

The Seattle Seahawks- shocked that so many QB-needy teams opted to neglect GLARING needs at QB, and well aware those same teams will be picking in the top 5 next year, after firing their head coaches, elect to take our highest rated QB:
 

Malik Willis.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/malik-willis/32005749-4c61-4428-8345-922a57c28423

Anyone looking to take up? Perhaps to take their QB? 

Wow! Stunner!