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This team has quit on Rivera. Pretty obvious at this point.

We hired Norv Turner's son. What did we expect?????

Feel you dude. Going on year 23 of Snyder's reign of terror, and I can't take it anymore either. This is a fulcrum point. This entire franchise, the commodes, need to be disbanded. Get Snyder out of here. I would gladly let him take the team somewhere else so we can start fresh. This is just absurd at this point.

Really? I can be mad. Now I know that without a doubt we have the most incompetent, clueless coaching staff from top to bottom in the entire league. Just an absolute joke at every single level.

It's true. This has always started and ended with that tool Snyder. Until he sells or is forced to sell, it will be what we are watching forever.

Rivera and his entire staff deserve to be fired after this game. That is all.

This team couldn't seize momentum if it were literally a rock on the ground in front of them.

I'm sorry, but I've had enough of Turner. The dude just can't cut it. We have so much talent and every week the offense seems stuck in reverse. It's completely inexcusable.

This franchise is so incompetent at every level. On third and 5 our DBs give 10 yards of cushion and dont even attempt to use inside leverage to cut off the most predictable slant of all time... And then on a catch that isnt even close, Rivera doesnt throw a flag. Just clowns everywhere.

Turner is really frustrating. Just like his dad, when the plan goes to crap, he seems incapable of adjusting. This is just like last week. We have way too much speed on offense to not have a reliable slant or screen to pick up 3rd and 5.

Jamin Davis and Rocky McIntosh are very similar players. Plenty of athleticism but no ability to anticipate and poor instincts.

Ken Harvey. Bring him back today.

Honestly, who knows? Impossible to tell with this coaching staff and this defensive scheme. We take talented players and all of them across the board look worse in this system and better once they leave. We have bottom tier coaching and scheme on the defensive side of the board. Tough position in which to evaluate a guy who has been asked to step up but probably hasn't been given the coaching or put in a position where his instincts and physical skills can be maximized.

It's painful to watch Holcomb play linebacker. He does nothing well; he does very few things that are passably mediocre. He seems to specialize in being washed out by linemen and creating huge cutback lanes. He is, far and way, the weakest link on that defense. This has been blazingly obvious for a long time. We have all seen the same tape. And yet the one position where we desperately needed to upgrade, we decided to stand pat. It really makes no sense unless Rivera and JDL just aren't bright enough to understand the weaknesses on this team. I'm at a loss. Really am. Defense is hard enough to play in the league these days. You absolutely can't do it with a terrible scheme and scrubs at key positions.

Agreed. I love Allen. He's a real professional. He's not going to say anything remotely controversial. But the fact is this: no NFL defender could possibly enjoy playing in Del Rio's passive aggressive scheme. We NEVER dictate to the offense. The offense dictates to us. Always. Watch our LBs. All they do is read and react. They are limited and not starter quality, but my lord, at least have someone, anyone on that D playing downhill. More fundamentally, there is zero, zero cohesion in that unit. I've never seen anything like it. When we blitz, our DBs give receivers 12 yard cushions instead of jamming to give the pass rush some time to get to the QB. JDL should be called the defensive "uncoordinator" (I'll be here all week folks ;)). He's just a clueless moron and it shows. Players know their talents aren't being maximized; they know the system sucks.

It would be worth a L to get him the %^&# outta here.

There are barely third downs to defend anymore...most of the time the offense only needs first and second down to get 10 yards...The Jags averaged 6.2 yards per play week 1...the Lions averaged 7.0 per play...

It's basic in the sense that it doesnt disguise formations or do anything in the way of pre-snap motion or exotic blitzing. Hell, we rarely even stunt the tackles. It's complex in the sense that each level of the defense--line, LB, secondary, operates almost independently of the whole with separate and sometimes overlapping responsibilities. As a result, the communication needs to happen and if it doesn't people are wide open down the seam, etc. It's just an awful, awful system combining the worst elements of basic with the worst elements of complex.

Reminds me of Churchill's quote about Hitler: "he has all of the qualities I despise and none of the vices I admire."

You're giving these guys way too much credit: I'm positive JDR isn't smart enough to think ahead. And I'm fairly certain Turner isn't either. JDR is an unmitigated disaster--he has proven it time and time again season after season. When will enough be enough on that side of the ball?

I'm not a big Scott Turner fan--I think he lacks an ability to really adjust to the realities on the field on Sunday. The first half was a perfect example. There needs to be far more flex built into his gameplan and it shouldn't take an entire half for an offense like ours to move the ball. We should have a fairly quick answer for anything that a defense throws at us with our skill players.. I think firing Del Rio would restore the confidence of the players. That's not a small thing. You can see it in the lack of consistent effort out there that guys are in part going through the motions because they don't believe in the scheme and they know they are being set up for failure. That's a really really bad dynamic for a football team. And Rivera would be wise to shut it down now before it begins to bleed over to the offensive side of the ball...

No, no it wasn't. You have to look at OUR 2-point conversion rate, not the statistical average of 2-point conversion rates for the league. That's the issue with importing baseball analytics to football: the number of variables in football make the overall statistical analysis misleading.

Bottom line: the lack of talent is compounded by an awful, passive, predictable scheme. What it means in reality is that we have a bottom 3 defense in this league and potentially a top 10 offense. Any moron could have seen this developing over the past couple of seasons expect apparently, Rivera...

It's infuriating, isn't it? What did it for me was reading that our other "starting" LBs, like Jon Bostic, had been cut by other teams. I mean not only are our guys not starter quality, they are arguably not backup quality. I don't think Holcomb or Davis for that matter would even make a majority of NFL rosters. That's how bad we are at the position.

We agree completely. And it just brings me back to the point around roster construction and why we didnt look for upgrades at the LB position.