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I’ve made my qualms here about positional value and the opportunity cost. Your point is the other piece why I don’t like this pick. Not sure how Quan, Chinn, the 5th round safety and Sainristil all fit together in some variation of a nickel role At least they got a leader for the secondary who can direct traffic and get the scrubs like Forbes, BSJ, Butler and others in the right positions, something they apparently were missing when McCain left

Ron took this approach in 2021. The issue was that his coaching staff sucked and could not develop these players. I am more confident this staff will

I give this draft a B+ as well. It's a shame we walked away with just one very raw lineman in such a deep OL class. We got a number of athletic high character guys, some of whom have produced at a high level at the college level and will contribute here, barring injury. I think a number of these guys will be starters in 2025 and a few of these guys have real Pro Bowl/All Pro potential (namely Daniels and Newton and perhaps Sinnott and McCaffrey). These guys are in a position to learn from the veterans in the org already and ones they brought in over the offseason. Love the idea of having Sinnott learn from Ertz and Magee learn from Wagner. Heck, I would not be surprised if Leno comes back and he is there to mentor Coleman. A number of these guys will also become leaders - I am looking at Sainristil and Magee. I initially had a "huh" moment when they drafted Newton but it makes sense - I would not be surprised at all if Jon Allen is gone midseason or after next season. Not only did he show poor leadership ability last year but he also played like a JAG and wants a new contract. Furthermore, it's going to be awkward when others like Wagner, Fowler and Luvu take the leadership mantle away from him. I think the biggest mistake may have been passing over Paul/Kingsley/Rosengarten for Sainristil and that is acknowledging the rawness of the first two of those three. Further down the draft, I wish they had taken Christian Jones, Mahogany or Rouse over Hampton. Given the number of college tackles from this class who are going to be guards, I think this guard class was underrated and deeper overall than the much ballyhooed guard class from last year. On the Sainristil piece, I think we got a really good player but the reason that pick annoyed me is because I would've rather taken a shot on a tooled up project with legit left tackle potential. As we all know, this has become such a hard position to find and I would have been A OK with taking both one of Paul/Kingsley/Rosengarten and Coleman with the hopes that at least one of those guys would hit. Solid healthy LTs very rarely hit FA and we saw that with this past FA class and other ones - you either get injured guys like Bakhtiari, Smith and Humphries or ****ty ones like Dillard, J. Williams and Becton. My issue, as I detailed earlier, is that while I believe we found a bunch of high upside players with great character, the strategic asset management piece of the equation was lacking. All we need to do is juxtapose what the Eagles did with what we did. Howie ran a master class this draft. Look at all the picks he picked up this year and next year in what will be a deeper draft. The answer is obvious for why the Eagles have so many picks. It is because they create excess capital in next year's class before the season starts. This gives them the ability to have more to work with to trade for quality veterans or save those picks and use them the following year / break those picks into more. I believe there were opportunities for us to do something similar with our picks given things that happened around our draft slots. I could be completely wrong but I have to think there were offers for #100 given that it was the last pick on Day 2 and gave teams the chance to snag a guy they really wanted going into Day 3 before teams had the chance to reset their boards for the following day. I think we could've probably moved back into the early or mid 4th, snagged a 6th or a pick next year and still have gotten McCaffrey. @RWJ alluded to this - Peters did well this offseason for a rookie GM but there are levels between where he is at now and where Howie is. I think the area where Peters beats Howie is scouting individual players. That makes sense given one guy came up as a scout and the other guy came up as an accountant. I do hope Peters does master the asset management piece of the equation as he gets more experience.

Mahogany is my guy here. Big powerful guy with very good athleticism to work with.

I think there may be some decent QB prospects who make it to UDFA

Charles Davis clued me on to him when he was on Take Command. I suspected he’d be a candidate in rd 5 given how CD was gushing about him. As others have said, no one is better at finding unheralded LBs than Peters

The point is, if you thought my statement was rude, why did you follow up with a rude response? You have a history of doing this regularly. Rereading my first sentence, could I have stated it better? Sure. Unlike most threads, this is one tied to a rapid pace event. You don’t need to try to be a shadow mod on this board. We have a good group of mods doing an excellent job of keeping things organized in such a way that it has been the “cigar room” of team discussion and has kept me coming back here the last 20+ years. This is my last post on the matter because I’d rather talk draft rather than prioritize subjective opinions on forum decorum today

What is everyone’s take on Rouse? I think that is who may realistically be there in the 5th.

Seriously @Conn? This narrative coming from you of all posters?

I laid my logic out vis a vis expected value in another post. I don’t think it was good process to take Sainristil at 50 given the positional value. As another example, I disagreed with @KDawg on Beebe over one of these raw tackles but I would’ve rather taken Beebe there. Why? If we think Beebe’s base case is a league average guard like Ezra Cleveland and Sainristil’s is Mike Hilton (league’s best slot corner), the former is making $9.5M a year and Hilton is making $6M a year. If you think Beebe can become a similar caliber player to Jonah Jackson, that guy is making $17M a year

No. Next year’s draft is supposed to be very deep because it is the end of prospects being able to go back to school for a 5th year

I agree. I like Jones and Rouse too. Rouse is a smart kid who is going to become a doctor after he is done playing…local kid too

I like Kamara too. He is a dawg. Solomon is intriguing as a small school guy

Where’s your argument with my logic?

I felt this way with Paul. It is basic math. A solid left tackle on the open market would make $20M a year. A great slot corner makes $5M a year. Assuming Sainristil becomes a top 3 slot corner, he is worth $5M a year. If there is a > 25% chance Paul can become a solid LT, his value will have exceeded Sainristil’s

Mine too. Zierlein comped him to Crosby. I don’t care for another rotational guy who needs to win via stunts and long developing plays. Need a guy who can win quick. If Booker became a poor man’s Josh Uche, that’d be a win in the 5th

This “Peters killed it by passing on a tackle” narrative is groupthink homer talk. Look at the organizations who picked up those tackles. Paul to the Fins, Suataiama to the Chiefs and Rosengarten to the Ravens. All dumb orgs right? It was absolutely worth it taking one of those guys at 50 or 53. If one of those guys becomes even a Bolles level left tackle, he is not seeing FA for 10 years. It was absolutely worth taking that gamble over drafting a slot corner. You want to go bring in a great slot corner? Go sign a guy for a $5M-$6M AAV. That is what Mike Hilton is getting paid. For those of you arguing that the answer is Coleman, there was clearly a separation between the 3 guys I cited and Coleman

I’m with you here. I think a good backer prospect will be there in the 5th. An underrated backet prospect to watch in the 5th is Jordan Magee from Temple. Could potentially get him with the pick they got from Philly. I’m with you on Foster or C. Jones in the 5th. If Austin Booker makes it to that first 5th round pick, you have to take him there. Boom or bust prospect but, if he hits, you will have found the guy to add to this rotation who can win quick and with a number of pass rush moves I really wish we had another 5th. Shouldve traded out of 100 into the early to mid 4th and still have gotten McCaffrey. Someone had to have made an offer there. It’s a spot where a team can snag the guy it wants before teams have the chance to revisit their boards going into Day 3

He didnt play football until his senior year of HS

Quan is one of the few players from the last regime they love. Not sure where the fit is with Mike, Quan and Chinn

Really hoping Austin Booker makes it to 100. He can be a special EDGE player

Can someone explain why he’s a guard? Is he not talk enough? He has 34+ inch arms and is a freak athlete

Why would we move a guy who is All Pro level at one position to one where he is average?

Trent Brown was the best one but he is a headcase. There were a lot of oft injured older guys available and some like Bakhtiari still are. You can go and sign Donovan Smith, Leno, Bakhtiari or Becton after the draft if you like

There really weren’t any tackles worth going after in FA